Gestalt, what wind ranges do you rate for;

Light wind
Moderate wind
High wind

interested.

I weigh 85kgs & sail in WA, my list is:

Lightwind: 0 - 15kts
What's the point....!

Moderate winds (any sea state) 16 - 35kts
Freestyle wave board 85L (most usefull type of board for all sea states - in my opinion)
4.2m - 6.2m sails (4 in total)
Fins 25cm Freestyle/freeride, 22 - 19cm wave

Strong Winds: +35kts
10ft shipping container (to hide in)

1 boom
2 masts
Limited time & budget

AB...

hi big al, i am curious, you got an 85lt board and you weigh 85kg and you need 15 knots to get goin.

i have found because of my trusty wind meter that at 96kg i need 15 knots to get going on my 95lt board. i wonder if 15knots is the magic figure here.

Hi Mal - at 68kg you are lucky. you can become one of the few QLD wavesailors

hobie - i call high wind 30 knots and above. at 30-35 i am on a 4.7m 40 knots a 4.2 and 45+ a 3.5m

mk - yes! almost got the dream quiver. will stick with that size gear for life i reckon, covers everything.

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Originally posted by decrepit

a bloody great windmachine so you can create your own favourite conditions!!!!!

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I expected a bit more maturity from our senior Guru, the holiday obviously did you some harm?

We all seem to have different ideas, particularly about what constitutes light wind sailing and gear.

From Ges"I'm slightly overweight"talt, who's into Formula (Which I think is awful in sub-planing, and extreme in planing, though to date, our earliest planing machines, to Big"I like bragging about my size"Al who doesn't see the point below 15kts, and would rather do something else like Rhythmic Gymnastics, (I know you love twirling that baton and catching it!!!.

Myself, having been bought up in the prehistoric sub-planing days of windsurfing, just gliding in sub-planing conditions was a buzz for me, so I'd love something like a hybrid, or if I had unlimited resources, I'd go a Starboard Serenity for sub-planing days! and glide away happily in my own Nirvana!!

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Originally posted by hardie



I expected a bit more maturity from our senior Guru, the holiday obviously did you some harm?

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No holiday was great, but I did myself and Dot's board a little damage yesterday in the bay, direct onshore about 18knts going well, untill I tried jumping a small wave, put too much effort into it and pulled front foot out of strap, landed doing the splits, have a rather sore groin today. To make matters worse I forgot where the reef is!!!! tore the finbox out, snapped the centre peg like a carrot.

I try to make it simple

Im a taller gent weighing in at 87kg

1 board currently F2 Stoke 106l (getting a 109l JP Freestyle Wave though)

1 x 5.8 m power wave sail, currently Gaastra Poison

1 x 6.5 freeride sail, Gaastra Gtx

selling the Gaastra sails and buying:

1 x Neil Pryde Alpha 5.7
1 x Neil Pryde Saber 6.7

thats it!

1 mast, 1 boom, 1 board, 2 sails, ****loads of fun.

this covers me from 15 knots to 30 knots, flatwater and ocean.
If it aint blowing 15 knots, Ill go surfing. If it is blowing 30 plus Ill just downhaul the 5.8 till its floppy like a old ladies boob.

if you cant get out and have fun with that combo here in SEQ somethings up!

no hardie i don't think i am overweight.... just a heavyweight in sailing terms.

with a raceboard and onedesign background too.... still sail onedesigns when i get the chance. but like greenleader says. weighing in at 65-70kg in qld is a good thing.

here are the averages for qld
www.bom.gov.au/climate/averages/tables/cw_040214.shtml

here are the averages for perth
www.bom.gov.au/climate/averages/tables/cw_009034.shtml

so in brisbane 15 knots is not all that common.

here is the data for all areas www.bom.gov.au/climate/map/climate_avgs/clim_avg1.shtml

0-10 knots, tv or taking the boat out
10-20 12m kite
20+ 68L waveboard 5.0/4.5

no fuss no muss, nice and easy

no worries hardie fat bastard has a nice ring to it anyways...appeals to me love of python.


totally onboard with you Big Al. i like to plane as well. but with formula sub planing ends up being more like 8 knots.

hi curac,

i am going to assume you are about 75kg from your advice?

are your recommendations for you or for me?

i originally bought the fish for a lightwind wave board. not quite enough volume.....i love my fish not fast but heaps of fun.....and i only go in the surf when it is small and it is always mushy so the fish is the boss. on flat water it tends to suck.

starboard has the Kombat-Aero in a whopping 127lt. i'm just after a board that no matter what wind strength i can go out in the surf. rather than take up surfing. i used to take my 115lt wave/slalom in the surf all the time with mono slalom sails and had a ball. until i creased it. have even taken the formula and 8.5m out as well.

5.7 may as well put up a hanky had a 4.2 for 5 years and never used it once. never go smaller than a 5.3 these days even when it is howling.

one thing i can say for sure is that 95lt is a moderate wind and up volume for me. i've had boards as small as 65lt brfore and they just need too much wind to get going. even 85lt boards need 20knots to plane when i get on them.

hi decrepit,

bugger, i hadn't thought of that. i think i know what you mean, used to sail a one design at the caloundra bar years ago and have experienced what you are saying.

i wonder if the newer wide and short boards have the same problem. the formula has worked fine in 8knots in small surf. maybe the cambered sail makes a difference?

i will have to look into it. i may be better off with something around 120lt then. it seems that starboard in a round about way have decided the aero's rails were too thick and to much width etc.

the ahd seal looks like an outstanding idea. i was already working on a solution to thin the rails out. obvious issue for a board with lots of thickness.

do you have any thoughts about tail design. i was thinking something pin orientated but maybe a squashed pin would be better? I will include the trendy cut outs on the tail to assist with planing speed as well.

no the stuff i said was for your weight.. i weigh 80KG. i use a 75L board in all conditions. although i don't go out in under 15knots.. but that's because me biggest sail is 5m.

my kit would be..

lightwind wave (8-18 knots)
5.5-5.7m sail max.
79L Radical wave.
in this wind i am not going out unless there are waves. and i don't really plan to plane around just bog out and surf in.

moderate wind (18-25)
i go 5m
and just use the current 75L
or 69L radical wave (if its over 20)

over 25knots
smallest board i got
which if i had the money would be the 64L Rad wave
and 4.5 and under.


I don't think large boards are really required for waves. sure they are easyier to get onto the plane in light winds but if you just use a little big of evergy and pump you can get a small board to plane and once you are on the plane you stay there.

Large boards also are a bitch to turn.

i generally think for waves your biggest board still shouldn't be above your weight.. ie 95KG then you don't go over 95L..
once you pump onto the plane you don't need all that volume.

also the boards i listed arn't really for QLD> maybe i go a real world or evo type shape but i woldn't go above 80L and would try to get boards around teh same litreage at the boards i listed.. actually
i would keep my lower volume wave boards and swap the big one for a freestyle board.. for QLD.. which if its freestyle i would get like 91L for myself

basically i think big boards are **** boards. but i also a **** sailor so don't listen to me

i kind of agree with you curac, but sometimes it's great to be able to go out in 10knots and still windsurf. like decrepit says, a bit more volume just makes it a whole lot more enjoyable. if i only went in the surf in 15+ then i would not get a bigger board but i really need the practice so something for 10-15 knots sounds appealing.

once it is built i'll give you a go and you can see what you think.

the goal is to be able to windsurf no matter what. so the formula does it on the ocean and the flat water but i can see an opportunity for the same in the waves.

seems to be a bit of a market these days for the bigger stuff. exocet have the cross, starboard the aero and now Neil Pryde have the alpha.

Curac if we're talking classic waves then you are entirely correct, but i'm guessing Gestalt is after something that will be fun and sailable in 1 foot slop through to 3-4 foot waves. That's my brief which seems pretty similar to what justin has said at times (I'd also prefer to be planing out). Gestalt does tend to err on the large side of gear though i've noticed... that's probably cause he never sails though

Justin with you're board are you talking slalom board style cutouts? If so I wouldnt bother, you could create more drag as you require reasonable speed to get them to release cleanly plus I just dont see them working all that well with waveboard rocker and fins. I'd look to keep the tail volume down a little also but with the cutouts you will have to increase it. If you do want a cutout system maybe look at something like what is on the new exo warps where the rail is sort of chamfered.

My suggestion is flatten the rocker (1-2mm tail kick max), round tail, keep the tail width up a bit (440), make the width 68, lengthen it to 2400, keep the rails soft, keep the bottom shape the same- maybe extend the concave a bit further back and powerbox fin it.

Thats my 2c anyway, i'm not into waveboard design so much so probably listen to people who know much more such as decrepit.

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My suggestion is flatten the rocker (1-2mm tail kick max), -------
i'm not into waveboard design so much so probably listen to people who know much more such as decrepit.

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Well for wave riding, I'd sacrifice the early planing/speed advantage of flater rocker, and go for manouvreability, the bigger boards are hard enough to turn as it is, and you already have the flater boards.
Can't give you a measure ment off the top of my head, but I can measure my board if you want. I like the idea of continuous rocker, with an increase at the tail and forward of the mast base.
10-15 knt wave sailing isn't about planning, forget jumps. You just have to be able to get upwind comfortably, and have enough speed to pick up waves before they break.
I have no objection to thick tails as long as the rear rails are fine and sharp, (you need to be able to bury the rails to get bite on bottom turns) thick rails can stop penetration by buoancy and planning.
Ideally for minimum radial inertia you need the centre of gravity as far back as possible, so the back of the board isn't a bad place for thickness as long as it's not at the rear rails.