It's better to burn out than rust out!

played 4 games of squash today,i stopped playing squash last April as i was waking up with very,very sore legs.

an hour after playing today my legs went so stiff i could hardly walk.

i love the game but going to resort to just watching from now on.

compared to squash, w/surfing has little effect on my body.

i sailed wednesday for over an hour,no pains afterwards.

a few hours sailing can make me very tired,but my legs only hurt maybe 10 percent as much as playing squash.

w/surfing is a sport you should be able to do well into your 60's or 70's if you look after yourself, i'm hoping anyway.

jp747 said...
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nicely put, that should be my motto! yesterday I sailed but only lasted 40 mins 30-45mins shy than the norm..it was probably the running the day before that sapped the juices off my legs..I'd probably do SUP'ing in flat water when the yrs get to me at least just a little bit of arm work

If I get tired I go into efficiency mode where I ride around with minimal effort on my body. It's fun to do and can be effortless.

It's usually something like spotting a point a few hundred metres upwind and working my way up there before blasting back.

I have a basic principle in all this physical stuff. It's not hard to do. Just to it slower. That works kiting and SUPping and on my daily bike commute to work and has worked trekking in Nepal. Don't rush. Just cruise. You get there in the end and usually feel so good that you have energy to burn at the end of it.

dinsdale said...

It would have been a hell of a lot easier to keep going rather than try to get going again.

I will get there, but it's damned hard work now-a-days.

Totally understand where you are coming from. I'm finding it harder to do things I once was able to do at a competent level! I discovered that technique comes first, get that right and fitness and stamina comes later with TOW and the latter is hugely important too. The difficult part is remembering which technique worked!

Like you I am determined to "get there" and prepared to put in the hard yards too to get myself back to as close as to a level as I was 20 years ago but being realistic that I am 2 decades older. But TOW is still the main problem but I'll get there.

barn said...

Ideally windsurfing should take next to zero effort, you should be able to take a leak in your boardies while fully planning in 30knots, give it a go... If you can't do that then your putting to much effort in sailing and not getting a rest between transitions..

I'm not saying age is no excuse, but its not like your half way through the decomposition process..

I find jogging exhausting, I get sore calves.. Am I just to old?..

Yup..but for some reason I can't take a leak while windsurfing my tummy gets into hard abs mode and eating immediately after doesn't like my tastebuds..unlike my other friends they eat like elephants after a session and all I have is cocunut juice and a few peanuts while trying hard

lotofwind said...

How about swimming for 800m or for 1 hour????
If you cant do that easily, you are too old and shouldnt be in the water.Well the ocean anyway.
Otherwise you are tempting fate and are a liability to others, and just as stupid as some of the tourists that jump into the surf,but cant swim.?WTF.

I think once you get over 50 you should have to sit your drivers license test again yearly.
The old lady across the road drives at 40 kms an hour on the highway because, her words, "My reaction time to brake and turn corners isnt too good any more,so I drive slower"

Yeah mate. Ya profile sums that up pretty good. 2y.o male full of sh!t

lotofwind said...

^^^^Î guess your over 50 and know you would fail a driving test??????Or why would you be worried?

Or you are saying that it is ok to enter the ocean on a floatation device and go out further than your old body can swim in. What if you become seperated from your rig.............glug,glug,glug

Nah mate, Ya got it all wrong. I'm 75 kg and do 1000m in the stoko pool in about 50 mins. As far as driving goes I won a AKA national Kart title a few years back. My teenage lad thinks I'm decrepit at almost 50, I'll worry about that when he can stay with me. just goin to keep running, swimming, riding, kiting, sailing and surfing as often as possible to delay that day as long as I can.

lotofwind said...

^^^^^^ you havent said anything????LOL

This interweb technology can be complicated when you havent growen up with it...lol

I got 3 kids man, Im no stranger to technology. Be nice if one was here to give me a hand though

You raise a complicated topic. I would think that everyone would agree that people who are not up to it should'nt go out in the ocean. What I have a problem with is who has the right to judge who should and shouln't go other than the individual in question?
Who would you consider the biggest threat on the road. An old lady who realises shes slowing down and drives accordingly or a 18 y.o boy racer who thinks he's the next Mark Webber. You can use the interweb thingy to get the statistics if you like but I reckon you already know the answer. We share the road with both and all we can do is drive our own car the best we can. 50's far to young for testing, we,re no longer young and not yet old. Maybe everyone should be tested occasionaly
P.S I,m no fittness freak really, I just don't want to end up like my parents, And perhaps lead by example with my own kids.

There's such a thing as cooked, in-organic milk ??

petermac33 said...

met a old 75 year old last night,who i have not seen for a while,[around 6 months]

his movement[walking] was a shadow of what it was the last time i met him.

while walking to his car he said to me, Peter make sure you never get old,it's a bugger.

trying hard to delay the inevitable,drinking lots of raw organic milk.

I don't think there is any preservatives in pasteurised milk. There may well be something in homogenised milk to keep it from separating, not sure about that.
I'm aware of concepts that have been co-opted by the "organic" marketing movement, but I'm very cynical of the idea that eating food grown without use of pesticides or factory made fertiliser is inherently more "healthy".
I've actually had patients come and complain to me that they spent all this money at the organic shop and don't feel marvellously full of energy. I suggest they go talk to the shop about that.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of clean living, and eat un-processed whole food as part of that, but the organic thing is a scam. I do like naturally ripened fruit and veg though, definitely much tastier than supermarket stuff, but healthier or able to make you live longer, not so sure. Supermarket F&V is so homogeneous these days, it's an easy scam to sell though. Maybe read up on St Anthony's Fire if you are interested in the positive role of preservatives.
As to the milk thing, utilising other species both plant and animal, with our clever hands and brains is what humans do to survive, and there is nothing "un-natural" about it. Be it cow, camel, goat, horse or yak, humans have been doing it for millennia.
It's a lot more natural to eat cow squeezings that is milk, than it is to eat soy squeezings that just look like milk.

barn said...

KenHo said...

There's such a thing as cooked, in-organic milk ??

petermac33 said...

met a old 75 year old last night,who i have not seen for a while,[around 6 months]

his movement[walking] was a shadow of what it was the last time i met him.

while walking to his car he said to me, Peter make sure you never get old,it's a bugger.

trying hard to delay the inevitable,drinking lots of raw organic milk.

I think he means that non-pasteurized milk will make him live longer (germ theory anyone?).. And presumably added preservatives accelerate the ageing process..

Or maybe 'Organic' in this sense is something that is all natural, 'straight from yonda paddock to your glass, like Mother Nature intended'... Ironically there is nothing natural about a Dairy Cow.. Grotesque, Genetically Engineered walking milk factories... And there is nothing natural about grown humans drinking milk... let alone milk from an animal in another Orderl!..

Had to check wiki, and yes its illegal to sell Raw milk in australia.. Government protecting the gene pool again..

You are getting old when you talk about cows and milk on a forum.

I don't mind GM in my diet, if it's "genetic manipulation". Not sure what it might be otherwise. As you correctly note, humans have been biasing the Darwinian process for a long time to bend foodstuffs in the direction we want it to go.
Fruit is probably the worst example of it, going from small and sour to huge and sweet. It's a big contributor to obesity as a result.
St Anthony's Fire was a nasty affliction in the Middle Ages caused by fungal contamination of rye. The fungi produced ergot alkaloids which are potent vaso-constrictors. People's hands and feet went black with terrible ischaemic pain, as well as hallucinating and going a bit mad. Probably a lot of abortions as well.
Of course, the enlightened leaders of the time attributed all this to sin and retribution. I'm not sure where St Anthony came in actually.
It's only a small percentage of Caucasians who are lactose intolerant actually, and an even smaller percentage who don't digest or are allergic to casein, the main protein in cow's milk. The soy marketers have made a lot of milage out of that, even though the number of people who are intolerant of soy is actually much, much higher.
Lactose intolerance is common in Asians and sub-continentals, of course, but they know that, and don't drink milk.
People get really obsessed about food, but really, humans live and thrive on a bewildering variety of foods and diets across the globe. We are true omnivores, and probably second only to pigs in our ability to live on pretty much anything.
Pretty much the only diet that harms us is the modern Western diet of junk food and soft-drink.

I agree that discussing health issues on forums is a sign of ageing. Ya get older, and start caring about his stuff.
My father was only 50 when he got angina, and I'm 47, so I've been caring for a while.
By nature's standards, we are actually very nice. Nature is not nice. ONly humans are humane.

barn said...

How the cow lives won't make you live any longer.. Unless you count emotional baggage..

If you don't like GM in your diet, don't drink milk from a dairy cow.. The amount of selective breeding to make a Dairy cow is a tribute to GM.. Add wheat to that list, it's been GM for 10000 years... Bananas and tomatoes, everything..

Raw Milk is not just 'not heated' it refers to un-pasteurized milk.. Something everyone drank before microbes were discovered...

Your of course right Ken, I was presuming pete thought "preservatives accelerate ageing"... I love preservatives..St Anthony's Fire a Doctor Who novel according to wiki?

I agree its perfectly normal for us to exploit other animals, although we could be a lot nicer about it (halal), I was just generally having a dig at 'natural vs un-natural' mumbo.

But there is something about drinking milk thats 'not normal'... Most Humans can't drink the stuff.. Where the freaks who GM'ed ourselves to handle it beyond childhood..

^^^^ must be everywhere but Sa and Wa then...

Keeping your weight down as you get older is the key to enjoying more time on the water, I think.
Heard one of the GP's at my local spot say they would lose most of their patients if they all just lost 10 kg.