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Is Windsurfing Still in Decline

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Created by cammd > 9 months ago, 18 Apr 2017
windsufering
VIC, 588 posts
8 Feb 2018 11:32PM
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In two years time I hope every one will be on the new board
and this problem want exist
but we will encourage every one to come racing on what ever they can
even wooden booms and danger boards

cammd
QLD, 1771 posts
8 Feb 2018 10:38PM
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windsufering said..
In two years time I hope every one will be on the new board
and this problem want exist
but we will encourage every one to come racing on what ever they can
even wooden booms and danger boards


Awesome, long live the wallies, and as you mentioned earlier the largest one design fleet is probably the furthest from being at the extreme and edgy side of the sport, so in the end we really both agree on what grows windsurfing.

windsufering
VIC, 588 posts
8 Feb 2018 11:39PM
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I cried when aust yachting voted for kiting in the Olympics
and I hope now that Condie prick has left Aust Yachting things have changed

windsufering
VIC, 588 posts
8 Feb 2018 11:43PM
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The over seas fleets are getting pretty big and they have already placed rather large orders

WallyWally
6 posts
13 Feb 2018 9:30PM
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The 2018 One Design Nats were great fun - 12 course races, freestyle, double elimination Slalom and a marathon. 49 on the course.

The youngest racing was 12, we had eight 16 and under including young gun Will Grimshaw who snagged a 2nd in lights (and also sails Techno's)

Have a look at this.



And heaps of pics and results here:

www.facebook.com/windurferclassaus





olskool
QLD, 760 posts
14 Feb 2018 8:13AM
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Windsufering, great to see your posts are on topic with this thread now. The sport needs more POSITIVE push to get it back to the popularity it used to have. Good simple sailing kit is the key. When its all said n done, its the GLIDE that initially HOOKED every one of us.....
Cheers

Dag
QLD, 628 posts
14 Feb 2018 8:56AM
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How good is the Drone for bringing an audience to the sport.
Loved watching that.

Chris 249
ACT, 1506 posts
14 Feb 2018 1:10PM
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fjdoug said..
the windsurfer one design has had many changes over the years.
wooden booms to alloy, windows in the sail etc etc....



If a new board is faster because it is fundamentally a different board, not only in construction but also dimensions is that still one design. Seems to me its further away from the one design ideal than allowing different size sails for different ages and weights


i'm a fervent supporter of the one design concept, but it seems that this move is one of the few major upgrades that could really help a class. Johnsy is offering a really good deal to early adopters and everyone can use their existing rigs, so very few people will be seriously hit in the pocket. The class appears to be open to having a class for the older boards and from what I can see and hear, light sailors may well be highly competitive on the existing board which is 4 cm narrower.

The really big thing is the "white board" concept, which could bring a major surge in support and marketing for the class because several major manufacturers are involved in promoting the Windsurfer LT with their own branding. That could give the class and sport the critical mass to establish itself internationally once again, and to really re-establish a grass-roots style of windsurfing that can only help the high-performance end as well.

It is a pity that we now have many thousands of boards that will no longer be fully competitive. I feel it particularly since I'm a sentimental fool who is very attached to a couple of mine, and also because I've ended up with two superb examples and a few older ones, and I don't care about the weight issue. But as noted, it's not a big expense, the old boards are still great for training, playing about and hopefully in a division of their own. As they say, you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs and sometimes we have to be the eggs.

KA360
NSW, 668 posts
14 Feb 2018 2:28PM
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While your breaking eggs and since it is in no way one design(5 generations of boards with no two boards having the same rocker,3 sails,multiple masts and booms daggerboard and centreboard models) just make it "WINDSUP CLASS"
Use any WINDSUP from any brand (within reason, perhaps Div 1 rules)
Come up with a design parameter for a new rig that is so desperately needed. Use a rig from any manufacturer that meets an agreed standard.
Then all windsurfing brands can promote WINDSUPING .

The old plastic Wally is still available and retails at $1900 , do you really believe that this new fibreglass one will be cheaper than that?

With multiple manufacturers producing boards for the WINDSUP CLASS they will spend $ on R&D resulting in better equipment and competition and promotion will result in bringing the cost down.

Chris 249
ACT, 1506 posts
14 Feb 2018 3:42PM
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While your breaking eggs and since it is in no way one design(5 generations of boards with no two boards having the same rocker,3 sails,multiple masts and booms daggerboard and centreboard models) just make it "WINDSUP CLASS"
Use any WINDSUP from any brand (within reason, perhaps Div 1 rules)
Come up with a design parameter for a new rig that is so desperately needed. Use a rig from any manufacturer that meets an agreed standard.
Then all windsurfing brands can promote WINDSUPING .

The old plastic Wally is still available and retails at $1900 , do you really believe that this new fibreglass one will be cheaper than that?

With multiple manufacturers producing boards for the WINDSUP CLASS they will spend $ on R&D resulting in better equipment and competition and promotion will result in bringing the cost down.





The One Design IS a One Design. One Design classes have allowed some minor variations since the very first such class was formed. In fact the class that basically created the concept adopted an entire new hull, foil and rig design a few years later, but the point is that after the update all the new craft were the same, within tolerances. No one can ever build any one design that is the same down to the last molecule and tenth of a gramme.

What you're talking about is a development class, where any manufacturer can bring out a new design at any time, and you can have boards that excel in light winds racing against boards that excel in strong winds so the wind determines the winner between sailors of equal ability and weight. That's fine, but it's not what we want from the One Design class.

Within a season or so everyone is serious will be on the new boards, having strict one design competition. Personally, I wouldn't mind sticking to the old boards, but this represents a good opportunity for the sport and of course we can always drag out the old boards indefinitely as a sub-class or a stand-alone classic class.

Ironically, the One Design rig is very similar to the Windsup rigs currently being produced by Starboard and some others, because it fits its purpose well. Putting "normal" sails on a board like a One Design is like putting a racing motorbike engine in a ute. For lower apparent windspeeds and greater lift, a deeper sail and longer chord works well. For lighter winds and close tactical all-winds racing, a light sail works well. At 2kg, the One Design sail is extremely light and the rig is simple, light and cheap. We are not morons, we've tried other rigs and their lift to drag, weight and handling characteristics are not better for this purpose.

www.fanatic.com/product/ride-sup-rig/



Competition doesn't bring the cost down in development classes - a top Opti sail costs more than the world champion Laser Radial sail, for example. A loose one-design dinghy like the OK or Sabre costs more, both sails and hull, than a Laser. A strict one-design foiling Waszp costs tens of thousands less than a top-line fully-blown development class Moth. An IMCO was cheaper than a development Raceboard like an Equipe 2 with custom sail and carbon boom. Or just try to buy a new Raceboard for the price of a One Design.

If you want a WINDSUP class then go ahead and form it, and allow those of us who want to sail One Designs to sail what we want. By the way since you mention Division 1 then it's fair to say that it was a class that showed all the problems inherent in a development class, which is why it died out.

You have fun doing what you are doing and we'll have fun doing what we are doing.

airsail
QLD, 278 posts
14 Feb 2018 4:19PM
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Nice to see the no pumping rule has gone, silly rule and hard to enforce. Caused a lot of arguments.

Chris 249
ACT, 1506 posts
14 Feb 2018 6:29PM
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Nice to see the no pumping rule has gone, silly rule and hard to enforce. Caused a lot of arguments.




The class still bans pumping upwind in course racing, apart from a period for a few seconds after the start.

I can recall two minor arguments in the six or so years I did the nationals recently. It's not silly, it means that you have to feel the sail and trim it accurately upwind in light airs, and it reduces the advantage the strong pumpers have. It goes a long way to ensuring that in the right conditions, junior sailors can be competitive with ex-Olympic team members, which is great.

The Italians allow unrestricted pumping and personally I find it makes the sailing much less enjoyable.

Dag
QLD, 628 posts
14 Feb 2018 7:02PM
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Chris249, you couldn't have said it all better than that. I'm all for the final decisions. I like the rig for this One Design sailing, and for all the reason's that you've explained perfectly. I can't wait to get back into it again, and watching that footage really took me back too.
Hanging out for a new board and rig complete. I have several of the old one's, and they'll still have their place here for teaching and having fun and freestyle.

windsufering
VIC, 588 posts
14 Feb 2018 8:12PM
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If I had said that I would have been labeled a racist

Dag
QLD, 628 posts
14 Feb 2018 7:42PM
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I feel ya. A lot of people over the years have made up their mind about them, but I truly hope/feel that this new board will address the issues and make it more enjoyable/accessible to those who didn't like, or couldn't sail them.

saltyheaven
NSW, 319 posts
14 Feb 2018 8:53PM
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Perhaps I'm getting a bit hung up unnecessarily with semantics, but it strikes me as a critical error to label the Windsurfer One Design (in any of it's incarnations) as a WINDSUP. I see the similarities for sure, but I also see the intended essence as fundamentally different, not to mention the historical aspect.

ANYHOW.... Chris, you seem to have a detail or two about the LT. Have you got any more specifics to share? Weight, Volume etc etc...

Cheers.

KA360
NSW, 668 posts
14 Feb 2018 11:14PM
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OK ,here are my definitions!

WINDSURFING =WIND and requires actual wind and plenty of it ideally. SURFING requires you to be planing and allows you to footsteer the board. Windsurfers love the sensation of planing,speed and air.It's sooo much fun that WINDSURFERS will beg borrow or steal for gear and lie to get out of work on a windy day.SAILBOARDERS usually only sail in their preorganised afternoon race.
WINDSURFERS outnumber SAILBOARD SAILORS by about 100 to 1.Discilines of WINDSURFING include waves ,slalom,freestyle,speed and GPS WINDSURFERS have their fin at the tail of the board,

SAILBOARDING=STAND UP SAILING ,the smallest form of sailboat.Usually done in a more placid environment. Like boats,sailboard SAILORS mainly participate in (triangle)racing and like boats they generally don't plane thought with a skilled WINDSURFER (see above) it is possible,
Sometimes WINDSURFERS go SAILBOARDING for the tranquility or the challenge of the tactical side of racing.
SAILORS often are not skilled enough yet to go WINDSURFING or they would be referred to as a WINDSURFER.
SAILBOARDS include Wally's ,Raceboards ,Dufours,Whalers and all that other plastic stuff from the 80's. There are some hybrid or modern SAILBOARDS that could nearly be called WINDSURFERS(because the are designed to plane) like the Bic Techno,RSX and Formula (still a SAILBOARD because it goes around triangles though has its Daggerboard mounted in the tail).

WINDSUP- Good for Beginners or people with low ability who want a SAILBOARD and a SUP but for whatever reason can;t have both,Generally not a very good SAILBOARD and not a great for SUPPING either but cheaper than buying a proper one of each.
For between $20 to $50 from a garage sale or the TIP the WALLY is a ultimate WINDSUP for old scrooges.

Chris 249
ACT, 1506 posts
15 Feb 2018 12:00AM
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Surely when we are talking about the definition of a word that describes a sport, we should ask the man who coined it and the men who invented the sport. In the case of the word "windsurfing" we know who coined it (Bert Salisbury IIRC, about the 6th windsurfer owner in the world) and what he meant. What he meant was the original Windsurfer, sailing in flat water in light winds. At the time, that was what all windsurfing was. The Windsurfer (TM) was designed mainly for sailing in flattish water and lightish winds. So the men who created the word and created the sport say that "windsurfing" is NOT all about planing.

To claim that " SAILORS often are not skilled enough yet to go WINDSURFING or they would be referred to as a WINDSURFER" is arrogant BS. I don't know what happened to you, mate, but these days you come across as a really snarky person who apparently loves nothing more than slinging **** at anyone who dares to happen to like a different form of our sport than you do. I'd just love to you tell Jessica Crisp, for example, that she's not good enough to be called a windsurfer. Or you could try telling Lloydie, a One Design stalwart and a member of the Australian Master's Surfing team for the world titles, that he doesn't know what the "surfing" part of the term really means.

You are wrong on the facts and dead wrong on the attitude.

Subsonic
WA, 1283 posts
14 Feb 2018 9:41PM
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I don't know what happened to you, mate, but these days you come across as a really snarky person who apparently loves nothing more than slinging **** at anyone who dares to happen to like a different form of our sport than you do.

and dead wrong on the attitude.


I know youre both an experienced windsurfer and sailor Chris, but you really are talking about yourself here.

Every post i have read of yours seems to be aimed at bringing someone elses opinion down and taking what theve said to a personal level.

seriously, lighten up.

KA360
NSW, 668 posts
15 Feb 2018 2:43AM
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I said they are my definitions and the opinion I have formed from doing all the windsurfing disciplines and have riden every type of board since 1978 ,
I see it as 2 different sailing sports. SAILBOARDING and WINDSURFING.
You always use the biking analogy(or sometimes canoes) so like BMX and road cycling=they are not the same.
I guess it may be a bit snarky laughing you old WALLY's or at the fat 50 year olds,with there fancy,expensive carbon road bikes,all dressed in lycra and sipping on their soy latte at the coffee shop on a sunday morning. I;m sure your not 1 of them,either Malvin Star or an Apollo2 is more your style. snarky laugh emoji
I also disagree with you views like "best around board","great for teaching beginners",":largest wind range" and that old chestnut "biggest windsurfing sailboarding class in the world".
It"s now 2018, its time to say say goodbye to the old 76 model.
How many people spent $1900 of their retirement payout to buy a new WALLY in the last 5 years? 5? 10? I dought it.
I know for a fact that Bic got 50 delivered in November. They were for people who had prepaid a deposit. Yes Techno ONE DESIGNS are $3000. But for the extra $1100 not only do you get a design from this millennium ,you get a real rig with a carbon mast and the booms even adjustable. Its hitech with on the fly outhaul and downhaul making the sail so powerful they had to supply footstraps to cope with the speed WINDSURFERS can achieve. The KIDS that bought these wouldn't want a WALLY
Don't by a new WALLY.
Make the Techno the new Australian ONE DESIGN,thats what the youth are doing. Old-timers share your wisdom with them and have fun mastering new challenges and bring the generations together.
I have risen both the Wally and the Techno Chris so you will have to trust me ,for $1000 more than a Wally,it's a no brainer cause your planing.
The techno is really a fun board to ride and very versatile.

SAILORS rig steer,WINDSURFERS steer with their feet as well. It's not a putdown ,it's fact. You gotta crawl before you walk.






PS Spoke to Jessica 2 days ago.We are meeting up this weekend to go WINDSURFING at Gerroa. I guess she already knew I wouldn't be down with going schlogging on a Wally.
PPS I can confirm she is an actual WINDSURFER, 2x World WINDSURFING Champion in the Waves even,but in the very beginning,like all of us back in the old days, she started as a SAILBOARDER on a WALLY

windsufering
VIC, 588 posts
15 Feb 2018 4:44AM
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Does any one know when these new windsurfers one design will be ready ?
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Chris 249
ACT, 1506 posts
15 Feb 2018 6:41AM
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Chris 249 said..
I don't know what happened to you, mate, but these days you come across as a really snarky person who apparently loves nothing more than slinging **** at anyone who dares to happen to like a different form of our sport than you do.

and dead wrong on the attitude.








I know youre both an experienced windsurfer and sailor Chris, but you really are talking about yourself here.

Every post i have read of yours seems to be aimed at bringing someone elses opinion down and taking what theve said to a personal level.

seriously, lighten up.






If I've written posts like that I apologise. What I'm normally trying to say is that surely it's better for the sport if we let everyone enjoy every form of windsurfing without criticising their boards or sails.

I've gone back through my posts on the last two topics to check them. Almost all of them are just defending people and their gear. All my posts in the w*ngsail thread, for example, were defending sailmakers and rig designers against claims that they created "primitive" sails.

I have also written posts about the direction of the sport, but that's because the impact of technology on sports participation is complicated specialist subject that some of us have been studying formally and informally for years; doing stuff like literally blowing dust off 1920s 18 Foot Skiff newsletters and graphing the fleet numbers, or reading through sports economics textbooks (and believe me, I don't like economics) and sports participation studies like this one about Australian windsurfing (www.emeraldinsight.com/doi/abs/10.1108/SBM-09-2016-0045).

Surely if someone has literally spent years studying a recognised subject they can discuss what people have found out?

Chris 249
ACT, 1506 posts
15 Feb 2018 7:20AM
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I said they are my definitions and the opinion I have formed from doing all the windsurfing disciplines and have riden every type of board since 1978 ,
I see it as 2 different sailing sports. SAILBOARDING and WINDSURFING.
You always use the biking analogy(or sometimes canoes) so like BMX and road cycling=they are not the same.
I guess it may be a bit snarky laughing you old WALLY's or at the fat 50 year olds,with there fancy,expensive carbon road bikes,all dressed in lycra and sipping on their soy latte at the coffee shop on a sunday morning. I;m sure your not 1 of them,either Malvin Star or an Apollo2 is more your style. snarky laugh emoji
I also disagree with you views like "best around board","great for teaching beginners",":largest wind range" and that old chestnut "biggest windsurfing sailboarding class in the world".
It"s now 2018, its time to say say goodbye to the old 76 model.
How many people spent $1900 of their retirement payout to buy a new WALLY in the last 5 years? 5? 10? I dought it.
I know for a fact that Bic got 50 delivered in November. They were for people who had prepaid a deposit. Yes Techno ONE DESIGNS are $3000. But for the extra $1100 not only do you get a design from this millennium ,you get a real rig with a carbon mast and the booms even adjustable. Its hitech with on the fly outhaul and downhaul making the sail so powerful they had to supply footstraps to cope with the speed WINDSURFERS can achieve. The KIDS that bought these wouldn't want a WALLY
Don't by a new WALLY.
Make the Techno the new Australian ONE DESIGN,thats what the youth are doing. Old-timers share your wisdom with them and have fun mastering new challenges and bring the generations together.
I have risen both the Wally and the Techno Chris so you will have to trust me ,for $1000 more than a Wally,it's a no brainer cause your planing.
The techno is really a fun board to ride and very versatile.

SAILORS rig steer,WINDSURFERS steer with their feet as well. It's not a putdown ,it's fact. You gotta crawl before you walk.






PS Spoke to Jessica 2 days ago.We are meeting up this weekend to go WINDSURFING at Gerroa. I guess she already knew I wouldn't be down with going schlogging on a Wally.
PPS I can confirm she is an actual WINDSURFER, 2x World WINDSURFING Champion in the Waves even,but in the very beginning,like all of us back in the old days, she started as a SAILBOARDER on a WALLY


I haven't said the things you claim. I have said the One Design is a great beginner's board IN SOME SITUATIONS but not in others; I wouldn't reckon they were great in WA for example. I haven't said it was the world's largest class these days, because it's clearly not. I don't think I've ever said it is "the best allround board". Like any board, it has strengths and weaknesses.

What I have said, time and time again, is that for some people it's a great board and that it would be nice if people would stop slinging **** at other windsurfers for what they choose to sail, or giving them labels designed to knock them.

I haven't knocked the Techno; for instance wished it good luck on this forum. Even in this thread I defended it against Windsurfering's claims that it wasn't an OD, and on the Australian Sailing magazine site I pointed out how popular it was in a discussion about kiting taking over in the Olympics.

The Techno is a great class but that doesn't mean that other classes have to be slagged off. By the way, my road bike is carbon and I keep on taking lots and lots of new challenges in sailing.

saltyheaven
NSW, 319 posts
15 Feb 2018 9:00AM
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OK ,here are my definitions!

WINDSURFING =WIND and requires actual wind and plenty of it ideally. SURFING requires you to be planing and allows you to footsteer the board. Windsurfers love the sensation of planing,speed and air.It's sooo much fun that WINDSURFERS will beg borrow or steal for gear and lie to get out of work on a windy day.SAILBOARDERS usually only sail in their preorganised afternoon race.
WINDSURFERS outnumber SAILBOARD SAILORS by about 100 to 1.Discilines of WINDSURFING include waves ,slalom,freestyle,speed and GPS WINDSURFERS have their fin at the tail of the board,

SAILBOARDING=STAND UP SAILING ,the smallest form of sailboat.Usually done in a more placid environment. Like boats,sailboard SAILORS mainly participate in (triangle)racing and like boats they generally don't plane thought with a skilled WINDSURFER (see above) it is possible,
Sometimes WINDSURFERS go SAILBOARDING for the tranquility or the challenge of the tactical side of racing.
SAILORS often are not skilled enough yet to go WINDSURFING or they would be referred to as a WINDSURFER.
SAILBOARDS include Wally's ,Raceboards ,Dufours,Whalers and all that other plastic stuff from the 80's. There are some hybrid or modern SAILBOARDS that could nearly be called WINDSURFERS(because the are designed to plane) like the Bic Techno,RSX and Formula (still a SAILBOARD because it goes around triangles though has its Daggerboard mounted in the tail).

WINDSUP- Good for Beginners or people with low ability who want a SAILBOARD and a SUP but for whatever reason can;t have both,Generally not a very good SAILBOARD and not a great for SUPPING either but cheaper than buying a proper one of each.
For between $20 to $50 from a garage sale or the TIP the WALLY is a ultimate WINDSUP for old scrooges.


Well, hmmmm. Definitions laced with slander and dogma. Nevermind, I still can understand your definitions. I don't agree with them, and nor do I see a Windsurfer One Design fitting into your WINDSUP category.


I'll add that I find Chris's posts to be unfailingly well considered and respectful.

Dag
QLD, 628 posts
15 Feb 2018 8:09AM
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Does any one know when these new windsurfers one design will be ready ?
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I'm wondering the same thing. hoping to get an update soon.

WallyWally
6 posts
15 Feb 2018 6:15AM
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Here is a good summary of the known info on the new Windsurfer hull from the presentation done by Johnsy at the Nationals:

windsurferclass.wordpress.com/2018/01/29/future-windsurfer-board-revealed/

The class has asked for full specs, etc and these are coming in the next weeks.

The other considerations are the class meeting at the Nats were:

1. moving to a 2 piece mast (from existing one piece) - still low tech construction
2. developing a class legal smaller sail of same design (~4.5) to cater to kids / lighter sailors

The target complete price for existing owners is $2,000 (same as current) and ~$700 for a hull (complete with 2x daggerboards (one for learning), fin.

100% support to keep the current sail/rig config - as Chris points out this works super well on this board across a wide wind range. The 2 piece is to solve transport / travel issues

As for pumping - upwind - for 30 seconds after the start only, downwind unrestricted.
This is a fundamental rule in Australia and it makes for a more even playing field as Chris notes rather than the best pumpers.
Plenty of other classes to play in if you want to do that.
Will be a big push to harmonise that rule globally as class growth continues.

The class remains absolutely committed to one design - moving forward both boards will be class legal.

We have been testing at Parkdale in Club races since the nats, rotating sailors through each day.
So far performance under 10 knots is very similar. Definately does not point as high as current as harder to rail.
As it gets windier and the LT planes upwind performs better than current.
Technique is different which is great - everyone will be bk to square one.

Anyway all good fun.

Dag
QLD, 628 posts
15 Feb 2018 8:26AM
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KA360 I'm starting to feel like "An Old Fart".

Faff
VIC, 594 posts
15 Feb 2018 11:37AM
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To me windsurfing is a planing sport.

Chris 249
ACT, 1506 posts
15 Feb 2018 12:00PM
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To me windsurfing is a planing sport.





One designs plane; so does every windsurfer I've ever seen. Here's Tim Gourlay at 20 knots, definitely planing.



Waveboards and speedboards don't always plane. If you drop off the plane in a lull or after doing a double loop, do you suddenly stop windsurfing?

In other sports, do people get to take away the original name of a discipline and re-define it, against the wishes of those who do it? Windsurfing came out of sailing and surfing. Sailors and surfers don't rename the old style when new styles come along, so why do it with our sport?

To get back to the thread - maybe the decline in windsurfing will turn around when we stop putting down the various types of windsurfing and just let people enjoy whatever board they happen to prefer?

Belly25
NSW, 62 posts
15 Feb 2018 3:57PM
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Faff said..
To me windsurfing is a planing sport.






One designs plane; so does every windsurfer I've ever seen. Here's Tim Gourlay at 20 knots, definitely planing.



Waveboards and speedboards don't always plane. If you drop off the plane in a lull or after doing a double loop, do you suddenly stop windsurfing?

In other sports, do people get to take away the original name of a discipline and re-define it, against the wishes of those who do it? Windsurfing came out of sailing and surfing. Sailors and surfers don't rename the old style when new styles come along, so why do it with our sport?

To get back to the thread - maybe the decline in windsurfing will turn around when we stop putting down the various types of windsurfing and just let people enjoy whatever board they happen to prefer?


I think the term Windsurfing is very dated. Sorry to say this to the purists (whatever style you enjoy). When I got into the sport 10 years ago my mistaken assumption was that Windsurfers "surfed" a sailboard, most likely on waves in an ocean, and all other categories fell under Sailboarding.
I encounter the same problem when talking about our awesome sport to people who are not into it. If I state that I enjoy Windsurfing they usually ask which beach I go to. I have only ever sailed off a beach a few times, the rest of the times its on a lake. To them Wind-Surfing implies surfing of some kind.
Perhaps it is time to move on from the original (now ambiguous) name of the sport. The "original" form of Sailboarding (windsurfing) was sub-planing. Once Sailboarding evolved to include the potential to "plane", the name became dated perhaps.

I agree with you to a point Chris, it's horses for courses (pun intended). Live and let live to enjoy all variations of our sport, but if we are concerned about perceived or real declines in participation in our sport then we need to attract new and most probably younger enthusiasts.

I can only speak from my point of view but I couldn't wait to progress off the Wally I learnt on and get onto a faster more nimble planing short board. I didn't sit on the shore of the lake watching 2 of the best sailboarders in NSW (Walshy and Byron) screaming all around the lake thinking "why don't they use the same board as me"? It was pretty obvious what I wanted to try to emulate.

To attract people to our sport I believe we need equipment that allows for a less steep learning curve but also better demonstration of our sport, particularly at the Olympics. To suggest that One Design (or any other variation of it) best represents the best of our sport, to me is massively selling our sport short and thus will continue to see our sport attract fewer people to it.



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