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Created by Gestalt Two weeks ago, 9 Nov 2023
chunder
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16 Nov 2023 6:22AM
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jdfoils said..
If the PWA wants to have any credibility, they need to enforce their rules.

Doesn't matter if the sail was used. If it is a registered sail in the competition area, it needs to be compliant. (Otherwise race management would need to verify each sail every race, which is not a reasonable burden. )

The change to production gear was to slow the arms race and provide more equal opportunity for competitors.


The rules repeatedly use the word "using". Is there a definition of using? Ie if you rig the sail on the beach then it's considered using and grounds for disqualification? Or is using defined as "having it in your kit bag"? Or do they go with the more obvious definition of using to be sailed in a race?

if rules are not clear, they are worthless.

boardsurfr
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16 Nov 2023 6:47AM
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The rules repeatedly use the word "using". Is there a definition of using? Ie if you rig the sail on the beach then it's considered using and grounds for disqualification? Or is using defined as "having it in your kit bag"? Or do they go with the more obvious definition of using to be sailed in a race?


The PWA rules have no definition of "using". In the absence of a specific definition in legal documents, the common interpretation of words is used, in conjunction with context. The context here is clear: nobody should gain an unfair advantage by using equipment that has been modified. "Used" in the context of races is self-explanatory. Nobody gains an advantage by just rigging a sail. Johan Soe stated clearly that he did not use the sail in question during the event, and nobody has contradicted him.

But is is pretty likely that the members of the protest committee don't have any legal education, and that they have known the world champion they crowned with their decision for many years. It would be not at all surprising if the decision was very heavily "guided" by the head of the protest committee.

Time to switch from watching PWA competitions to watching winging competitions.

bel29
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16 Nov 2023 7:33AM
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As I said, more details should and hopefully will come out, but I think the context in which the decision was made - ie after all racing was completed - must be taken into account when making a decision of this nature. While I think it is reasonable in the ordinary course of events to interpret "use" or "using" to mean to have/having at one's disposal for use (ie registered), in the given context the fact that he had not actually used the sail and therefore did not and could not have gained an advantage, should matter. He had the sail from the start of the season in Garda; it is claimed (again, more details need to come out) that the deviation from the serial sail was visible to the naked eye; why wait to protest or otherwise take action until the final race of the whole season has been sailed?

choco
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16 Nov 2023 10:28AM
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As I said, more details should and hopefully will come out, but I think the context in which the decision was made - ie after all racing was completed - must be taken into account when making a decision of this nature. While I think it is reasonable in the ordinary course of events to interpret "use" or "using" to mean to have/having at one's disposal for use (ie registered), in the given context the fact that he had not actually used the sail and therefore did not and could not have gained an advantage, should matter. He had the sail from the start of the season in Garda; it is claimed (again, more details need to come out) that the deviation from the serial sail was visible to the naked eye; why wait to protest or otherwise take action until the final race of the whole season has been sailed?


Simple he finished top and some established sailors had their ego's dented, if he had finished 20th or something this wouldn't even had happen.

duzzi
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16 Nov 2023 8:01AM
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WillyWind said..


duzzi said..

Do they really need to blow up everything for a sail that was never used? and do so in the most obscure way?




Point 7 statement on instagram says about the sail that was "practically not even being used in Japan". Somewhere else I read that the sail was used in a race that was cancelled or something like that.
I was definitely rooting for Johan but am not sure the disqualification was done in an obscure way. Just because we don't know what actually happened it doesn't mean it was obscure. Johan and Point 7 know. Pretty sure most PWA and people involved with the race already know. We will know at some point. Rules are rules and nothing points to the rules being misapplied. so many people are really upset with the PWA and I think many of those will be happy if the PWA disappears. But I am pretty sure those same people won't do anything to replace it.


Still, I'm pretty bummed for Johan.



Rules are rules and should be followed. But the behavior of the PWA is pretty obscure. To this day we, the spectators, are still discussing exactly what's happened because there is no official version of the episode. And that is no way to run any competition, at any level.

boardsurfr
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16 Nov 2023 8:13AM
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"Res ipsa loquitur" - the thing speaks for itself. It is quite illuminating to compare the reactions of Johan Soe and Matteo Iachino when things don't go as hoped for.

First, Johan Soe, after getting disqualified because a sail he did not use deviated by some millimeters from specifications, and loosing a world championship title as the result:

For comparison, here is what Matteo Iachino posted after he did not make the finals because he could not pump up on the foil in the quarter- or semifinals at the IQFoil championship on Lake Silvaplana in 2020:


Never mind that the scoring system was published before the race. Never mind that the other guys in the heat managed to get on the foil before the start.

Here's the picture he posted with his statement:

One of these two is a true champion. It's just not the guy that the PWA picked. Res ipsa loquitur.

chunder
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16 Nov 2023 8:26AM
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"Res ipsa loquitur" - the thing speaks for itself. It is quite illuminating to compare the reactions of Johan Soe and Matteo Iachino when things don't go as hoped for.

First, Johan Soe, after getting disqualified because a sail he did not use deviated by some millimeters from specifications, and loosing a world championship title as the result:

For comparison, here is what Matteo Iachino posted after he did not make the finals because he could not pump up on the foil in the quarter- or semifinals at the IQFoil championship on Lake Silvaplana in 2020:


Never mind that the scoring system was published before the race. Never mind that the other guys in the heat managed to get on the foil before the start.

Here's the picture he posted with his statement:

One of these two is a true champion. It's just not the guy that the PWA picked. Res ipsa loquitur.


Those two posts are worlds apart in the ability to accept outcomes. Makes me wonder if Matteo was raised in America?

chunder
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16 Nov 2023 8:27AM
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boardsurfr said..
"Res ipsa loquitur" - the thing speaks for itself. It is quite illuminating to compare the reactions of Johan Soe and Matteo Iachino when things don't go as hoped for.

First, Johan Soe, after getting disqualified because a sail he did not use deviated by some millimeters from specifications, and loosing a world championship title as the result:

For comparison, here is what Matteo Iachino posted after he did not make the finals because he could not pump up on the foil in the quarter- or semifinals at the IQFoil championship on Lake Silvaplana in 2020:


Never mind that the scoring system was published before the race. Never mind that the other guys in the heat managed to get on the foil before the start.

Here's the picture he posted with his statement:

One of these two is a true champion. It's just not the guy that the PWA picked. Res ipsa loquitur.



Those two posts are worlds apart in the ability to accept outcomes. Makes me wonder if Matteo was raised in America?


Actually the difference is more likely due to poor vs good parenting than where they grew up. America just has more bad parents.

jdfoils
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16 Nov 2023 8:41AM
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Official Statement Regarding Johan S?e's DisqualificationFollowing equipment inspection of the top riders at the PWA Slalom Finals in Japan, Danish sailor Johan Soe, DEN-37, was unfortunately found to have been using a sail that had been modified from its original factory specification and that did not meet the registered specification for the sail, including allowances for all measurement tolerances.As such, under the rules regarding production equipment on the PWA Slalom World Tour, the protest committee had no choice but to disqualify Johan from the final event in Japan.Whilst we sympathise with Johan to have lost the World Title under such circumstances, the rules are clear and the facts surrounding the modification of the sails, and the discrepancy between the registered specifications of the sails, and the sails Johan was using, are not in question. The PWA takes the rules surrounding production equipment seriously and respects the efforts of the vast majority of brands and riders to adhere to the rules and compete fairly. As such, to ignore the use of equipment that had been physically modified and that did not meet the registered specification would have been unacceptable with respect to the fundamental principles of the rules.

duzzi
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16 Nov 2023 9:12AM
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Official Statement Regarding Johan S?e's DisqualificationFollowing equipment inspection of the top riders at the PWA Slalom Finals in Japan, Danish sailor Johan Soe, DEN-37, was unfortunately found to have been using a sail that had been modified from its original factory specification and that did not meet the registered specification for the sail, including allowances for all measurement tolerances.As such, under the rules regarding production equipment on the PWA Slalom World Tour, the protest committee had no choice but to disqualify Johan from the final event in Japan.Whilst we sympathise with Johan to have lost the World Title under such circumstances, the rules are clear and the facts surrounding the modification of the sails, and the discrepancy between the registered specifications of the sails, and the sails Johan was using, are not in question. The PWA takes the rules surrounding production equipment seriously and respects the efforts of the vast majority of brands and riders to adhere to the rules and compete fairly. As such, to ignore the use of equipment that had been physically modified and that did not meet the registered specification would have been unacceptable with respect to the fundamental principles of the rules.






Hard to read that as a clear statement ... sail, than sails, never mentions what was actually modified ... it is actually quite ridiculous as a statement of facts ...

Maddlad
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16 Nov 2023 9:55AM
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Definitely smacks of someone getting pissed off that a young kid sailed one less event than he did and won the world title to me. I agree rules are rules but if you havent used the so-called dodgy equipment you cant have gained an advantage. Either way it leaves a bad taste in everyones mouth and doesnt look good for the sport.

Gestalt
QLD, 13904 posts
16 Nov 2023 12:38PM
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Lots being said about this.

Something ive not heard is Johan or point 7 saying they didnt modify the sails.

Ken767
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16 Nov 2023 10:47AM
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Judging from the rate the young sailors are improving in the new discipline, Johan soe, McMillan , Lima erzen and other new up and comers will dominate next year.

John340
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16 Nov 2023 2:20PM
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duzzi said..

jdfoils said..
Official Statement Regarding Johan S?e's DisqualificationFollowing equipment inspection of the top riders at the PWA Slalom Finals in Japan, Danish sailor Johan Soe, DEN-37, was unfortunately found to have been using a sail that had been modified from its original factory specification and that did not meet the registered specification for the sail, including allowances for all measurement tolerances.As such, under the rules regarding production equipment on the PWA Slalom World Tour, the protest committee had no choice but to disqualify Johan from the final event in Japan.Whilst we sympathise with Johan to have lost the World Title under such circumstances, the rules are clear and the facts surrounding the modification of the sails, and the discrepancy between the registered specifications of the sails, and the sails Johan was using, are not in question. The PWA takes the rules surrounding production equipment seriously and respects the efforts of the vast majority of brands and riders to adhere to the rules and compete fairly. As such, to ignore the use of equipment that had been physically modified and that did not meet the registered specification would have been unacceptable with respect to the fundamental principles of the rules.


Hard to read that as a clear statement ... sail, than sails, never mentions what was actually modified ... it is actually quite ridiculous as a statement of facts ...


Duzzi, as a user of Point 7 sails, you may lack perspective and independence.

The PWA statement is clear

Danish sailor Johan Soe, DEN-37, was unfortunately found to have been using a sail that had been modified from its original factory specification and that did not meet the registered specification for the sail, including allowances for all measurement tolerances

They have no obligation to mention what was modified, only that it was not within the specification for the sail provided by Point 7 when the sail was registered at the beginning of the season.

Johan's disappointment should be with Point 7 (the supplier of the sail) and not the PWA

It should be noted that other competitors were still using 2023 sails even though in many cases the 2024 models had been released by their sail manufacturers.

John340
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16 Nov 2023 2:21PM
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Maddlad said..
Definitely smacks of someone getting pissed off that a young kid sailed one less event than he did and won the world title to me. I agree rules are rules but if you havent used the so-called dodgy equipment you cant have gained an advantage. Either way it leaves a bad taste in everyones mouth and doesnt look good for the sport.


Oh boy, another conspiracy theory. Maybe the PWA scrutineers were just doing their job!

John340
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16 Nov 2023 2:22PM
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Gestalt said..
Lots being said about this.

Something ive not heard is Johan or point 7 saying they didnt modify the sails.


Agree, the silence is deafening

WillyWind
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16 Nov 2023 1:23PM
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This is a quote from Point-7 instagram account: "Unfortunately, we have been disqualified due to one sail size which was not perfectly into specs and practically not even being used in Japan."

The word "practically" is not helping their case.



www.instagram.com/p/Cznnhqss6lF/

WillyWind
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16 Nov 2023 1:23PM
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This is a quote from Point-7 instagram account: "Unfortunately, we have been disqualified due to one sail size which was not perfectly into specs and practically not even being used in Japan."

The word "practically" is not helping their case.



www.instagram.com/p/Cznnhqss6lF/

duzzi
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16 Nov 2023 3:41PM
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duzzi said..




jdfoils said..
Official Statement Regarding Johan S?e's DisqualificationFollowing equipment inspection of the top riders at the PWA Slalom Finals in Japan, Danish sailor Johan Soe, DEN-37, was unfortunately found to have been using a sail that had been modified from its original factory specification and that did not meet the registered specification for the sail, including allowances for all measurement tolerances.As such, under the rules regarding production equipment on the PWA Slalom World Tour, the protest committee had no choice but to disqualify Johan from the final event in Japan.Whilst we sympathise with Johan to have lost the World Title under such circumstances, the rules are clear and the facts surrounding the modification of the sails, and the discrepancy between the registered specifications of the sails, and the sails Johan was using, are not in question. The PWA takes the rules surrounding production equipment seriously and respects the efforts of the vast majority of brands and riders to adhere to the rules and compete fairly. As such, to ignore the use of equipment that had been physically modified and that did not meet the registered specification would have been unacceptable with respect to the fundamental principles of the rules.





Hard to read that as a clear statement ... sail, than sails, never mentions what was actually modified ... it is actually quite ridiculous as a statement of facts ...





Duzzi, as a user of Point 7 sails, you may lack perspective and independence.

The PWA statement is clear

Danish sailor Johan Soe, DEN-37, was unfortunately found to have been using a sail that had been modified from its original factory specification and that did not meet the registered specification for the sail, including allowances for all measurement tolerances

They have no obligation to mention what was modified, only that it was not within the specification for the sail provided by Point 7 when the sail was registered at the beginning of the season.

Johan's disappointment should be with Point 7 (the supplier of the sail) and not the PWA

It should be noted that other competitors were still using 2023 sails even though in many cases the 2024 models had been released by their sail manufacturers.




I could not care less that the sails are Point-7, I would make the same comment if the sails where of any other manufacturer. And the comment is that the PWA has the obligation of saying exactly how many sails were involved, exactly what was out of spec, and when and if the sail(s) were used in competition.

Can you imagine something like this happening in F1 racing: sorry you just lost the world title because we think that your car measurements are off somewhere. If they do not give specifics this is just a ridiculous circus.

Cuchufleta
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16 Nov 2023 4:38PM
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First and foremost: It sucks to have your world title removed.

The rules are the rules and however badly the PWA communicates, the matter of the fact is that Soe had a sail (sails?) in his quiver that were not complying. He has obviously not used the sail during a counting heat, but he was intending to do so (using it in a cancelled heat).

His sponsor, .7 should have never let this happen. In the end they are responsible and have jeopardized Soe's chance of a World Title imho.

Nicko29
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16 Nov 2023 4:43PM
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If I were Johan Soe, Point 7 or the PWA, i would post a picture of the sail and highlight the modification so that there is no more weird speculations...

I still wonder what are the "specifications" given by the manufacturer to PWA and what are the tolerances ?
Can't be just luff length, boom length and batten number ?

DarrylG
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16 Nov 2023 5:37PM
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The brands give the PWA very detailed measurements of every size sail they want registered. I use to have a copy of the measurement sheet but can't find it. It includes more than just luff and boom lengths. There are batten lengths, and spacing between battens. ( so if for example someone tried to tighten or loosen a leech it would show up.)
It sounds to me point7 might of tried a mid year update and not told anyone. They should of known better, they knew the rules, they paid the price.

It would be a slippery slope if they started to turn a blind eye to customizing boards and sails. It would end up becoming an equipment race again, where the top pro's are on better equipment than anyone else can get. At the moment any one can buy standard production equipment and be on a level playing field. Probably part of the reason these new young riders are able to race at the front of the fleets.

mmilhazes
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16 Nov 2023 6:04PM
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So many opinions and so few facts...

Sails are to be production with no modifications to the sail other than masts and battens, which are removable items. One of his registered sails was modified, which is a breach of the rules and a very clear breach of the intention of the rules. Sails from several competitors were impounded and inspected. Soe is the only one that had a modified sail.

Not sure how you can interpret this as the old guard protecting themselves. The old guard is enthused to have an injection of young talent to help raise the level.


100% right on!!
The rules are clear and P7 did the same thing again
In 2008 Sylt PWA Alberto Menagatti was also DSQ for the same reason. He was using P7 also
So it is the second time that the same brand tries do break the rules and they got caught again!!

P7 is to blame, not PWA or the other riders

t36
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16 Nov 2023 6:23PM
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There is now a statement of matteo_iachino: it's a slap into the face of Soe and P7.


A little clarification on what happened in Japan for my followers and in general for all the windsurfers following the tour. You guys rock and deserve a better information.

1) rules. There are rules and they have to be followed. If not we would be in a custom tour where we could race on custom boards sails etc. If one rider doesn't play by the rules, he has a clear advantage.

2) there is no protest in the pwa. No one protested. There is random check of gear to the riders. All the top 5 were checked. Only one had his sail completely out of specs and out of the margin of error given to the brands

3) the "mistake" in the sail was as big as more than 2 cm. When we test sails between seasons we do modify them less than a cm and the difference is huge. If I could put those modifications in my racing gear between one event and another I would have a big advantage.

4) the sail in question has been used in Japan and in previous events too

5) the rider in question will be able to show his skills. He is young and talented and I think he will manage a great result without any need to cheat

RobITA
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16 Nov 2023 6:26PM
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Rytis Jasiunas was a Point7 rider but Point7 dumped him because they decided to focus on Soe and now Jasiunas as vice president of the PWA announces that Soe loses the title because he is disqualified for an unclear sailing irregularity. Does it seem a little strange just to me?

Gestalt
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16 Nov 2023 8:35PM
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Rytis Jasiunas was a Point7 rider but Point7 dumped him because they decided to focus on Soe and now Jasiunas as vice president of the PWA announces that Soe loses the title because he is disqualified for an unclear sailing irregularity. Does it seem a little strange just to me?



You are being ridiculous.

fpw9082
QLD, 166 posts
16 Nov 2023 8:39PM
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Now I listen Matteo explanation on facebook, he said that Johan sail panel was open 2.5cm from specs. (Error during production is usualy 2-2-3mm... )He said that such a modification can have huge difference in performance.


Does anyone know why Nicolas Goyard compete at only 2 races (Fuerte and Sylt) this year?
What I watched Nicolas was miles in front of everyone on foil did something change in meantime?

How many races was sailed on foil this year, if Nicolas compete all races will have won championship with ease?

mmilhazes
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16 Nov 2023 6:40PM
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OFFICIAL STATEMENT FROM THE PWA MANAGEMENT BOARD REGARDING THE DISQUALIFICATION OF DEN-37

The PWA is a rider and manufacturer governed association. Rules are set by the PWA Management Board that is elected from the industry and rider members of the association. The rider and industry representatives on the PWA Management Board consult with the members on all matters, including competition rules.
All PWA racing is run on registered production equipment. As such, sails, boards, and foils must be registered by the manufacturers before the start of the season. All participating brands and riders are aware of these requirements.
This is intended to ensure that any competitor has access to the same level of equipment, and so that any advantage through having additional wealth or funding is minimised, creating as level a playing field as possible.
This also creates an environment whereby recreational sailors can also obtain and enjoy using the same high-performance gear as the pros.
For 2023 competitors registered the 3 boards, 6 sails, and one set of foil components that they would compete on for the whole year, at the first event they participated at.
Not all equipment is checked at events as it is expensive and time consuming to do so, but riders are expected to abide by the rules and the responsibility is on the competitors themselves to make sure that their equipment is not in breach of the rules. If they are in any doubt they can request to have their equipment measured to check it for legality. Equipment is checked randomly at events across multiple brands and riders to help ensure that the rules are upheld.
As part of equipment checks at the PWA slalom finals in Japan, sails from top riders were inspected to check for rule compliance. Examples of sails from NeilPryde, Challenger, Severne and Point 7 were collected from the riders.
All of the sails collected were measured, with the battens and cambers removed, and on a flat hard surface with the sails being pulled flat to the ground.
On inspection the Point 7 sail belonging to DEN-37 showed clear and undeniable indications that the sail had been modified from its original factory construction. Marks left from the original construction, such as glue and stitching holes were clearly visible, and normal graphics printed on the sail were obscured where batten pockets had been moved. Neither Point 7 or DEN-37 have denied or challenged this fact.
The Point 7 sail was found to have leech measurements between the battens that were outside of the registered specification by more than 2 cm, and even with the production tolerances of 0.35% applied, were still 1.5cm outside of the registered specification.
To ensure fair consideration, a control sail from another rider using the same Point 7 production sails was also inspected. This sail showed none of the signs of modification that DEN-37's sail did, there was no glue or altered stitching and the graphics that had been obscured on DEN-37s sail were fully visible. All of the sails measurements were within the acceptable tolerances.
To ensure that all reasonable doubt was eliminated, the measurements of the other production sail were then taken as base measurements, tolerances were applied, but DEN-37s sail was still found to be more than 1.5cm out of spec even with the extra millimetres granted by the variances in the second production sail.
The judges then convened a hearing with DEN-37 to ask him if he could provide any information as to why his sail had been modified, why it was out of the tolerance of the registered specification and to allow him the chance to explain the situation from his point of view and put forward any mitigating circumstances that might justify the discrepancies discovered in the inspection.
The sail had been registered for competition by DEN-37 and therefore needed to be to the correct specification whether used or not, but it was found that it had been used through the year including in Japan.
After hearing DEN-37s evidence, and equipped with the findings of the inspections, the judges reconvened to discuss the situation and decide on whether the rules had been infringed and, if so, what, if any, penalty should be imposed.
The judges were unanimous in their opinion that the sail did not - with all tolerances and reasonable doubt applied - meet the required specification and was therefore illegal for use in PWA racing. The committee found that although DEN-37 may not have used the sail in a counting heat in Japan, that he had used it in valid starts where he could not have known that the heat would subsequently be abandoned, so that this argument was not a valid defence. The committee also felt that although they did not have measurements taken from this particular sail at other events, he had used it in its current state throughout the season, and therefore whether he had used it in Japan or not was not the only consideration.
The judges therefore felt they had no option but to apply the rules which state.
{2.5.3} Equipment Scrutinizing (SLALOM)
(a) Scrutinizing of equipment will be performed either by a PWA Representative, or any member of the PWA Race Crew. A sailor must make his/her equipment available for scrutinizing at any time whilst the event is in progress. Failure to present equipment for scrutinizing may result in disqualification from the respective race or from the entire discipline.
(b) Equipment used by sailors must meet all registered specification and shall not have been modified in any way without prior approval from the protest committee. Modification from the normal specification as delivered by the manufacturer shall not be permitted. For the purposes of this rule, the addition of any extra tack or clew cringles or positions, puncturing of the sail to allow any attachment to provide tension other than devices supplied with the sail as standard or any other attachment or modification that is designed to alter the shape or performance of the sail from the standard supplied configuration shall not be permitted. For the avoidance of doubt, brochure / website specification and or the majority specification of other identical items of equipment may be used as evidence of the standard supplied specification by the protest committee.
(c) Batten types and tension, mast type and tension, adjustment of camber inducers including sanding / filing and the addition of any spacers or other optional devices that are supplied as standard for the adjustment of battens, masts or camber inducers, shall be excluded from this rule and may be adjusted at the discretion of the sailor in question.
(d) Any sailor found to have been using equipment that has not been registered, or equipment that does not meet the registered specification for that particular item of equipment, including the conditions outlined above, shall be disqualified from the entire race discipline for that event.
Therefore, the committee was left with little option other than to disqualify DEN-37 from the event in Japan.
As with any decision by the judges at an event, DEN-37 will have the right to appeal the decision and the hearing may be reopened if significant new evidence can be presented. DEN-37 has indicated that he intends to appeal, although no appeal has been presented at this time and as DEN-37 will be travelling home currently, he will be granted further time to lodge an appeal, should he choose to do so.
The PWA takes the application of the rules surrounding equipment registration seriously and competitors or brands who breach such rules do so with great disrespect to the vast majority of their contemporaries who strive to uphold the rules.
STATEMENT FROM POINT 7 SAILS
Point-7: It was not the first time that our brand has been at the top of the PWA podium and certainly not the last. We proved it in different disciplines and often with new young talents. We are very competitive and work hard on our development and for 2024, as Johan has already signed with us, we are even more motivated to take him back to the top, as he has shown amazing racing skills. We are happy to support PWA in the task in enforcing the checking of riders equipment throughout all events.

PhilUK
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16 Nov 2023 6:42PM
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Just read the PWA statement. This should have been published at the time. You will have read all the speculation and conspiracy theories on social media. I put this down to inexperience of PWA, as this doesnt happen often, if it all before. The modification could have been done when repairing the sail, it might not have been deliberate. But rules are rules, and the sail was out of specification.

PhilUK
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16 Nov 2023 6:46PM
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Now I listen Matteo explanation on facebook, he said that Johan sail panel was open 2.5cm from specs. (Error during production is usualy 2-2-3mm... )He said that such a modification can have huge difference in performance.


Does anyone know why Nicolas Goyard compete at only 2 races (Fuerte and Sylt) this year?
What I watched Nicolas was miles in front of everyone on foil did something change in meantime?

How many races was sailed on foil this year, if Nicolas compete all races will have won championship with ease?


He has been concentrating more on Olympic IQ Foil. World Champ Seb Kordel has stopped PWA completely, apart from one off at his home event in Sylt.



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