Light Wind Early Planer?

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PhilSWR
PhilSWR
NSW
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16 May 2012 7:07pm
Tossing up the idea of getting a nice light wind board that's pretty stable, has some performance and will plan easily in light winds. Plans for it are cruising around in light wind (under 15 knts) with bigger sails (6 meter plus) and hopefully be a good learners board for my kids- currently aged 6 and 9- fitted with a tiny sail for them.

Has to be second hand -too poor. Can anyone can recommend a good older board (that's liable to be available) that you think will do the job?

Cheers
seanhogan
seanhogan
QLD
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16 May 2012 7:09pm
a decent starboard go would be good.

You must be a lightweight to use 6m+ in ligh wind !!
joe windsurf
joe windsurf
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16 May 2012 6:05pm
no-one planes in light wind under 15 knots with a 6-oh
Jeffrosail
Jeffrosail
QLD
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16 May 2012 9:16pm
joe windsurf said...

no-one planes in light wind under 15 knots with a 6-oh


I can!
jsnfok
jsnfok
WA
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16 May 2012 7:54pm
Jeffrosail said...

joe windsurf said...

no-one planes in light wind under 15 knots with a 6-oh


I can!


jeffro, you are a freak
Windxtasy
Windxtasy
WA
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16 May 2012 8:07pm
Jeffrosail said...

joe windsurf said...

no-one planes in light wind under 15 knots with a 6-oh


I can!


I can with my 6.4 AND 111L Futura.

Starboard Futura would be my recommendation. Choose a size to suit your weight and the stability you require.
PhilSWR
PhilSWR
NSW
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16 May 2012 10:23pm
joe windsurf said...

no-one planes in light wind under 15 knots with a 6-oh


At 76 kg I can plan cleanly in 12 knts with a 6.6 and 14 knts with a 5.2 wave sail on a 116 lt FSW. Wind readings taken on my fancy new Anemometer But anyway, I want to plan in less wind with a bigger, fatter, wider board, and so far it's a Starboard Go and Futura. Any others, perhaps an older board that get simular performance?

Cheers
Jeffrosail
Jeffrosail
QLD
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16 May 2012 10:27pm
jsnfok said...

Jeffrosail said...

joe windsurf said...

no-one planes in light wind under 15 knots with a 6-oh


I can!


jeffro, you are a freak


I wouldn't have put it that way, but just a bit different to the majority
Jeffrosail
Jeffrosail
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16 May 2012 10:30pm
Windxtasy said...

Jeffrosail said...

joe windsurf said...

no-one planes in light wind under 15 knots with a 6-oh


I can!


I can with my 6.4 AND 111L Futura.

Starboard Futura would be my recommendation. Choose a size to suit your weight and the stability you require.


Planing today with the 6.0 in around 11-12 knots on a 97 litre iSonic. Good fun.

Jeffrosail
Jeffrosail
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16 May 2012 10:35pm
PhilSWR said...

joe windsurf said...

no-one planes in light wind under 15 knots with a 6-oh


At 76 kg I can plan cleanly in 12 knts with a 6.6 and 14 knts with a 5.2 wave sail on a 116 lt FSW. Wind readings taken on my fancy new Anemometer But anyway, I want to plan in less wind with a bigger, fatter, wider board, and so far it's a Starboard Go and Futura. Any others, perhaps an older board that get simular performance?

Cheers

Hey Phil, I also have a JP SLWB that gets up in around 10 knots. I have had some great fun sessions on it. I usually use a 7.0/7.5 to get the fin working. Most others don't even bother coming in the water if they know me & the board/sail. Although I have baited a few that come out & dredge

PhilSWR
PhilSWR
NSW
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17 May 2012 12:21am
Jeffrosail said...

PhilSWR said...

joe windsurf said...

no-one planes in light wind under 15 knots with a 6-oh


At 76 kg I can plan cleanly in 12 knts with a 6.6 and 14 knts with a 5.2 wave sail on a 116 lt FSW. Wind readings taken on my fancy new Anemometer But anyway, I want to plan in less wind with a bigger, fatter, wider board, and so far it's a Starboard Go and Futura. Any others, perhaps an older board that get simular performance?

Cheers

Hey Phil, I also have a JP SLWB that gets up in around 10 knots. I have had some great fun sessions on it. I usually use a 7.0/7.5 to get the fin working. Most others don't even bother coming in the water if they know me & the board/sail. Although I have baited a few that come out & dredge




Hey Jeff,

Sounds like fun to me, great board concept for the light days. You pretty well summed up what I'd like to achieve with light wind planing- plus the fun, kids learning board next spring.

The other day I sailed with an older bloke (77) and he kicked my butt in 10 to (occasional) 12 knots on a big, fat JP something and an 8.5 sail. It looked more like a boat than a board, but as he casually scooted passed he'd say, "Comin' through". Funny, but painful as I planed in short burst with the 6.6.

Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
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17 May 2012 7:48am
The JP SLW may be too fragile for learners.

You can pick up a new Go 155 for about $1500. The 155 comes with. A small centre fin, a feature that helps beginners to get some directional stability instead of drifting sideways. However I'm not sure about the early planing abilities of the Go. The JP SLW is definitely an early planing board.

The other option could be a second hand formula board, especially an older or that is longer and narrower than the modern ones or a formula free board. You could possibly pick one up for a reasonable price.
JustinL
JustinL
NSW
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17 May 2012 8:44am
Hi Phil,
Maybe the old guy had a formula board.
Formula boards are good because they can carry huge fins and sails easily giving you freedom to sail upwind and downwind
For teaching put a small fin and sail on it.

If you get the racing bug on a formula your sailing will improve ten fold as you suddenly get heaps of expert mates to hang with.

Another board to get would be a RSX. I teach my kids with a RSX, very strong.

A starboard go is the best learning board but sounds like your surpass that and the kids learn too quick to get any value out of it. I think the starboard go is sold to sailing schools. Is a great board for that.
JustinL
JustinL
NSW
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17 May 2012 8:46am
Just checked
There aren't any RSX for sale! Strange as it just got dropped from the Olympics
Sailhack
Sailhack
VIC
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17 May 2012 9:11am
I had a JP Xcite 165lt, great early planer in light winds & could handle bigger conditions also. The downside was the coarse deck - no good for small kids' legs. Although I agree with the comments re; GO for beginners, definitely not what I'd call a 'performance' board, whereas a large volume xcite, (or another brand with a similar board) will give you a board stable enough for the family to learn on & with the performance of a bump & jump board for yourself when the wind (finally) comes though.

Btw, I traded my xcite for a w/surfable sup due to the lack of wind. The sup is a Naish Nalu 11'6" & is a great light-wind cruiser, tacks & gybes well & comments from w/surf mates have been along the lines of "a great board for the kids to learn to w/surf on" - just throwing it in there as an alternative if you're looking for a board that also doubles for those 'windless' days - my kids love it also.
WindmanV
WindmanV
VIC
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17 May 2012 10:09am
Joe Windsurf said " no-one planes in light wind under 15 knots with a 6-oh ".

A-h-h-h-h, Joe,

You need to get out more.

JP Supersport Pro 136 L, 42 cm fin, 6.2m NP Alpha (bagged out), 78 kg rider, planing easily in an accurately-measured 12-13 knots.
PhilSWR
PhilSWR
NSW
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17 May 2012 10:20am
JustinL said...

Hi Phil,
Maybe the old guy had a formula board.
Formula boards are good because they can carry huge fins and sails easily giving you freedom to sail upwind and downwind
For teaching put a small fin and sail on it.

If you get the racing bug on a formula your sailing will improve ten fold as you suddenly get heaps of expert mates to hang with.

Another board to get would be a RSX. I teach my kids with a RSX, very strong.

A starboard go is the best learning board but sounds like your surpass that and the kids learn too quick to get any value out of it. I think the starboard go is sold to sailing schools. Is a great board for that.


Actually, I think it was a Starboard Start, sure I read 220 lt on it. It was huge! Could have planed if I pushed him. Wasn't thinking of anything that big, probably more around 150 lt. Still thinking short and stubby like the Go's. Just need a cheap one to turn up...

nosinkanow
nosinkanow
NSW
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17 May 2012 11:02am
Hey Phil, what happened to the big yellow thing? That would have had the ideal floatation, all you'd need to do is fit a fin box in the centre for a centreboard/fin. Won't be as wide as the Go or Start but we're talking lightweight little kids here, even your missus could learn on it. Save your dosh I reckon and invest it on a mini kids rig.

Good to see you're getting the family involved, I wish I got mine involved when they were around the same age.
PhilSWR
PhilSWR
NSW
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17 May 2012 11:34am
nosinkanow said...

Hey Phil, what happened to the big yellow thing? That would have had the ideal floatation, all you'd need to do is fit a fin box in the centre for a centreboard/fin. Won't be as wide as the Go or Start but we're talking lightweight little kids here, even your missus could learn on it. Save your dosh I reckon and invest it on a mini kids rig.

Good to see you're getting the family involved, I wish I got mine involved when they were around the same age.


Howdy Raf,

Had to sell the yellow beast to pay for the F2 Stoke, no option really, strangely my Lotto numbers didn't come up that week?? All good mate, I was thinking more a short, stumpy board that I can ride / cruise on, with the bonus of gettin' the kids up and running in the shallows next spring. I'm sure something cheap and floaty will come up.

Good to hear from ya mate

Cheers.

Mobydisc
Mobydisc
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PhilSWR
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17 May 2012 11:57am


Classic Moby, but I just found out it's sold...



seanhogan
seanhogan
QLD
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17 May 2012 12:07pm
wow, shame, cause at 50 $ that was a grab !
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
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17 May 2012 12:40pm
There will be other older formula boards around. Perhaps not as cheap as that one though because its a popular racing class in NSW there is a market for them. A ten or fifteen year old formula board wouldn't be that competitive for racing but for recreational windsurfing in light winds it would be great as long as its watertight.



DASZIP
DASZIP
SA
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17 May 2012 12:26pm
I love my 155 go. Im about 85 kilo and my biggest sail is a 6.6 cammed race sail. With that i find im pushing to get planeing under 15 knots so am looking at getting a larger sail for sub 15 knots. Have only been windsurfing since december so am still learning. Maybe just need some tuning. The board is really stable and when on the plane i find it pretty fast. Have not tried other boards to compare but i keep up with my mates on their smaller boards with larger sails. In the choppy weather it gets quite interesting as it it wants to lift off. The width off the board seems to get the wind under it and you really goto hold it down. From my experience though i would recommend a starboard go for sure. Easy to uphaul easy to sail great to learn on plenty adjustments for footstraps and plenty off floatation.
PhilSWR
PhilSWR
NSW
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17 May 2012 1:10pm
Hey Daszip,

You're time on water (started December last year), sail size (max 6.6) and weight (well almost) are the same specs as me, so I'm a bit surprised you're not planing under 15 knts- especially with a 155 lt board. Dunno, maybe someone can fill in the gaps there.

So is the 155 lt Go you're only board?
dinsdale
dinsdale
WA
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17 May 2012 11:32am
JP Funsters have a 5 board range from 130 to 205 litres.
http://www.jp-australia.com/2012/FUNSTER.227.0.html

They also do the Funride in 4 sizes from 120 to 160 litres.
www.jp-australia.com/2012/FUN-RIDE.222.0.html

Bic also do a good range of boards and sizes which would be eminently suitable.
www.bicsportwindsurf.com/products/boards,3,31.html

There'd have to something in there to suit your need.
DASZIP
DASZIP
SA
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17 May 2012 1:02pm
Yea thats all ive got for now, looking for another not sure what yet still having alot off fun on the go. We usually like to go out when its rougher. Have no trouble planeing when the winds up. I use the harness and footstraps without any problems. One off the good parts off the go is so many footstrap positions to choose from to suit all levels off users. I think my problem with the light weather is i dont go out in it often enough and havent learnt to fine tune my sails for light stuff. But considering how much light weather were having im going to have to learn. Still want a bigger sail though the sports definately an addiction and you need more gear regardless off what the wife says.
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
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17 May 2012 3:00pm
Hi Daszip,

can you tell me more about the Go 155? We checked one out a few months ago at the local windsurfing shop and really liked the look of it. I have a few questions.


I'm interested in it for a couple of purposes. Firstly my wife windsurfs a bit but is still at the basics. She has quite a large beginner board, similar to a Starboard Start. So how stable is the 155 and did you use the centre fin when you were learning?

The second use would be for me to use it a light wind board with a bigger sail, around 8 meters in size or larger.

The Go is certainly a good looking board when new. How does it look after a bit of use? Do you put it in a board bag when not using it?
stehsegler
stehsegler
WA
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17 May 2012 1:25pm
There should be plenty of cheap RSX boards coming onto the market in the near future. Those will let you plane in less than 12 knots.
DASZIP
DASZIP
SA
135 posts
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17 May 2012 3:17pm
My board is i think five to six years old and im not the first owner. Since ive had it its never had a bag. It looks as though its had a hard life in the fact that its had repairs but still works fine. I have had issues with water in the board but think ive fixed that. Not really the boards fault mostly due to misuse. Other wise it still is in good nick, has all its original padding, straps and fin (drake 45cm I think From memory). As i said i run a 6.6 sail but cant see why you couldnt use an 8m sail with no problems. My board didn't have a centre fin but i managed fine with out, I did start with 5.0m sail. To start with i was able to hop straight on and uphaul with out to many issues but i also have a cat sailing background which may have helped. All that said i dont see why your wife would have any problems with it and if she is beggining than she will have use off this board for a long time as i dont see myself getting rid off it any time soon its too much fun. Some off my mates who want to get into windsurfing have tried my board and are interested in the go as well so it is appealing to begginers.
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
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17 May 2012 4:24pm
Your Go sounds similar to one my friend had and sold a couple of years ago. It was pretty good, almost like an older formula board in its style.

The new ones look a bit different and have the centre fin option which adds to their friendliness for beginners. I have a larger freeride board, a 135L Tabou Rocket that I do like but I'd be happy to replace it and my wife's board for one that is in the middle.

I'd like to reduce the number of boards we have. The other issue is the tuttle fin box. My boards have had powerboxes and I've amassed a collection of fins for them. However a lot of them are pretty crap. So probably its not a bad thing to move over to tuttle and get new fins, though its more expense. I do like the fact the new Go comes with two fins as well as the centre fin.


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