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Rad Lad
Rad Lad
226 posts
226 posts
15 Dec 2008 4:56pm
There is a lot of talk at the moments that Magazine reviews are biased, blah, blah, blah. So in order to dispel or confirm these myths lets see what the punters think. Your task is to rank your favourite 3 Board and Sail Brands in the various categories. You must also include your state or courntry (if not Australia) so we can also discover if there are any biases geographically.

Depending on the response, I will collate the totals and give an overall summary on the rankings.

Boards - Wave
[1]
[2]
[3]

Boards - Other (Freeride, Slalom, Freestyle, etc)
[1]
[2]
[3]

Boards - Graphics
[1]
[2]
[3]

Sails - Wave
[1]
[2]
[3]

Sails - Other (Freeride, Slalom, Freestyle, etc)
[1]
[2]
[3]

Sails - Graphics
[1]
[2]
[3]
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23695 posts
WA, 23695 posts
15 Dec 2008 5:51pm

Boards - Wave
[1] Starboard / RRD equal due to strength and quality (and customs of course)
[2] Anything else Cobra top line construction (Cobra also do pissweak on orders of the company
[100] Euro stuff liek F2 and Fanatic etc ... shapes just as good but weak

Boards - Other (Freeride, Slalom, Freestyle, etc)
[1] No idea sorry
[2]
[3]

Boards - Graphics
[1] Anything with WHITE rails so easy to repair when dinged.
[2] Anything with a white bottom so it doesn't get to 80deg on the beach!!
[3]

Sails - Wave
[1] Simmer (toughest)
[2] Severne (close, and the free bottle opener is kewl) Ezzy equal second
[3] Anything not Gaastra / North / NP

Sails - Other (Freeride, Slalom, Freestyle, etc)
[1] No idea. KA cos they're fast and Aussie I guess
[2]
[3]

Sails - Graphics
[1] All look the same, not big on graphics anyway
[2]
[3]



baldrick
baldrick
QLD
146 posts
QLD, 146 posts
15 Dec 2008 7:20pm
Nice start from Mark as usual.

Name your Three Favourite Brands not bag the crap out of stuff you have limited current knowlege about.
CJW
CJW
NSW
1731 posts
CJW CJW
NSW, 1731 posts
15 Dec 2008 10:44pm
baldrick said...

Name your Three Favourite Brands not bag the crap out of stuff you have limited current knowlege about.


Isn't that the entire idea of the thread? Read the first post; "name your favorite brands". Seems fairly self explanitory. There is nothing saying you can't also hint at brands you dislike ;)

Boards - Wave (I only have 4 brands of boards, have ridden a fair bit of other stuff but not long enough to comment on it's durability)
[1] RRD - toughest most bomb proof board I own, awesome construction - awesome down the line shape
[2] JP - Have heard lots of bad things about JP over the years, have seen lots of snapped ones, have a pro-ed RWW and seems to be fairly tough. Touch wood. It's a great board though, really good in less than ideal conditions, has really impressed me
[3] F2 - Good board but construction is pretty weak, full carbon - very poor impact resistance (no kevlar)

Boards - Other (Freeride, Slalom, Freestyle, etc)
[1]
[2]
[3]

Boards - Graphics
[1] Tabou without a doubt have the radest looking boards around
[2] RRD
[3] F2? no idea really, no one else really stands out like the other two

Sails - Wave
[1] Ezzy - love em, super strong, love how they sail
[2] North - had norths up till 05 or so, the good old xXx and DrX's, mad sails :D not super strong though
[3] Pryde - Best of the other brands i've had. Not a bad sail but didn't last long, fell apart

Sails - Graphics
[1] North used to look awesome - the Superstar, xXx and DrX were all awesome looking sails I reckon, then they got into this 'white phase' and it all went to ****e.
[2] Pryde - have always looked pretty good
[3] New gaastras look pretty cool

Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23695 posts
WA, 23695 posts
15 Dec 2008 10:22pm
baldrick said...

Nice start from Mark as usual.

Name your Three Favourite Brands not bag the crap out of stuff you have limited current knowlege about.


Geez lighten up. So far this is the third time you have criticised my posts, when they were 100% relevant to the question. They guy asked "what are your favorite brands". Last time, a few blokes said they broke their NP booms and I agreed that I have seen that happen too. So Baldrick unleashes the vitriolic comments.

So far you seem to only appear every couple of weeks to bag somebody who doesn't like what gear you sail.... I have sailed all the stuff on my list. How about you also hook into CJW as he said Prydes and Norths didn't last long for him?

What seems to be your problem with me?
I asked that in a PM but you didn't seem to be able to answer it, seems you prefer to fly in once every few weeks, pay out on me, and leave.

How about u contribute to the discussion, or HTFU and criticise my brands I like.
sailpilot
sailpilot
QLD
787 posts
QLD, 787 posts
15 Dec 2008 11:39pm
Rad Lad, its just too much to quantify, and I'm a lazy bastard so I'll just put up a couple of generalisations

Boards:
JP
Carbon Art (but I don't have one)

Sails:
Loft
Aerotech

Graphics:
I don't care for graphics

State - Qld
WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
WA
3183 posts
WA, 3183 posts
15 Dec 2008 11:23pm
quote from Blackadder II

"Baldrick, have you been eating dung again?"





radlad .. i think your questionaire is not going to work, nearly everyone is going to answer with which ever boards they own, coz they like to think they got the best, when they should all know that custom stoneys and naish sails are the best....sheeeesh.


WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
WA
3183 posts
WA, 3183 posts
15 Dec 2008 11:26pm
CJW said...

baldrick said...

Name your Three Favourite Brands not bag the crap out of stuff you have limited current knowlege about.


[1] RRD - toughest most bomb proof board I own, awesome construction - awesome down the line shape




...if anyone rolls a hand grenade in front of you, simply grab an RRD board and smother the bomb with it, ...no harm will come to you what so ever and you will just walk away to the beach,rig up, and go for a sail on your rrd.
baldrick
baldrick
QLD
146 posts
QLD, 146 posts
16 Dec 2008 12:29am
As all boards come from cobra
Shapers it is!
Boards - Wave
[1]Werner
[2]Keith
[3]Roberto

Boards - Other (Freeride, Slalom, Freestyle, etc)
[1]Patrik
[2]Werner
[3]Sebastion

Boards - Graphics
[1]Tabou
[2]RRD
[3]Quatro

Sails - Wave
[1]Neil Pryde
[2]Naish
[3]Ezzy

Sails - Other (Freeride, Slalom, Freestyle, etc)
[1]Neil Pryde
[2]North
[3]Gaastra

Sails - Graphics
[1]Naish
[2]Severne
[3]Hot


choco
choco
SA
4186 posts
SA, 4186 posts
16 Dec 2008 8:09am
Boards - Wave
[1] the only wave we get here is when you saying goodbye to someone
[2]
[3]

Boards - Other (Freeride, Slalom, Freestyle, etc)
[1]Tabou Manta...limited use on them but they are plug and play best boards ive ever used
[2]Fanatic Falcons...great boards as well
[3]Starboard isonics

Boards - Graphics
[1]Tabou
[2]RRD
[3]windsurfer one design

Sails - Wave
[1]don't use them
[2]
[3]

Sails - Other (Freeride, Slalom, Freestyle, etc)
[1]The Loft Blades, great sails hands down best value high performance sail on the market.
[2]North Warp F2008 nice sails but very very pricey
[3]Neil Pryde RS Racing proven designs but $3,500 for 1 complete rig??

Sails - Graphics
[1]hot sails
[2]Point 7
[3]Vandal
russh
russh
SA
3027 posts
SA, 3027 posts
16 Dec 2008 9:19am
Boards - Wave
[1] Fanatic
[2]rrd
3) EVo
[100] anything by starboard that weighs 8kgs or more and said to be 6.7kgs (my EVo included)

Boards - Other (Freeride, Slalom, Freestyle, etc)
[1]Fanatic Freewave
[2]fanatic skate
[3] Falcon

Boards - Graphics - don't care for graphics
[1]SSD
[2]OES
[3]NOT JP - I personally feel 2009 are the worst looking boards ever

Sails - Wave
[1]Poison
[2]Blade
[3]Manic

Sails - Other (Freeride, Slalom, Freestyle, etc)
[1] Severne S2
[2]Naish Boxer - ugly but different
[3]Stealth

Sails - Graphics
[1] Severne
[2]Gaastra
[3] Naish
evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
9207 posts
NSW, 9207 posts
16 Dec 2008 10:00am
russh said...
[100] anything by starboard that weighs 8kgs or more and said to be 6.7kgs (my EVo included)


Aha! So it isn't just my scales! I was going to raise a thread on this. I still like the carve though.

WINDY MILLER
WINDY MILLER
WA
3183 posts
WA, 3183 posts
16 Dec 2008 8:29am
evlPanda said...

russh said...
[100] anything by starboard that weighs 8kgs or more and said to be 6.7kgs (my EVo included)


Aha! So it isn't just my scales! I was going to raise a thread on this. I still like the carve though.




fill all ur spare footstrap screw holes with soapy water, place board in sun 4 a few mins, open vent, if you see bubbles, thats where the extra weight problem is, seen it on a few starboards now, inc 2 of mine ,,,, they were both fishs also hapend to one of my deltas

aus301
aus301
QLD
2039 posts
QLD, 2039 posts
16 Dec 2008 9:57am
choco said...

Boards - Other (Freeride, Slalom, Freestyle, etc)
[1]Tabou Manta...limited use on them but they are plug and play best boards ive ever used
[2]Fanatic Falcons...great boards as well
[3]Starboard isonics

Boards - Graphics
[1]Tabou
[2]RRD
[3]windsurfer one design





Glad you like that board choco.

FISHGUTS
FISHGUTS
22 posts
22 posts
16 Dec 2008 9:01am
NOPE russh's board was mine before bought it new was always heavy, every starboard i have ever bought was heavy, so no more starboards for me , good design but heavy.
elmo
elmo
WA
8894 posts
WA, 8894 posts
16 Dec 2008 9:18am

Boards - Wave
[1] The one under my feet
[2] The one in my car
[3] The one in my shed

Boards - Other (Freeride, Slalom, Freestyle, etc)
[1] The one under my feet
[2] The one in my car
[3] The one in my shed

Boards - Graphics
[1] Graphics secondary to performance
[2]
[3]

Sails - Wave
[1] The one on my mast
[2] The ones in my car
[3] The ones in my shed

Sails - Other (Freeride, Slalom, Freestyle, etc)
[1] The one on my mast
[2] The ones in my car
[3] The ones in my shed

Sails - Graphics
[1] Graphics secondary to performance
[2]
[3]

Greasyfish
Greasyfish
NSW
5 posts
NSW, 5 posts
16 Dec 2008 11:20am
Boards - Wave
[1]
[2]
[3]

Boards - Other (Freeride, Slalom, Freestyle, etc)
[1] JP - have 4 of them. No problems with any
[2] Hybrid - Great construction. lively and fast
[3] Seatrend - gone out of business ,construction not great anyway

Boards - Graphics
[1] Exocet
[2] JP
[3]

Sails - Wave
[1]
[2]
[3]

Sails - Other (Freeride, Slalom, Freestyle, etc)
[1] Neil Pryde
[2] North
[3] Loft

Sails - Graphics
[1] Point 7
[2] Sailworks
[3] Neil Pryde


State NSW
FletcHuz
FletcHuz
VIC
300 posts
VIC, 300 posts
16 Dec 2008 12:40pm
Boards - Wave
[1] JP - Twinser
[2] Quattro
[3] Tabou

Boards - Other (Freeride, Slalom, Freestyle, etc)
[1] JP - Freestyle 99
[2] Tabou
[3] Mistral

Boards - Graphics
[1] JP
[2] Quattro
[3] Angulo

Sails - Wave
[1] NP - Combats
[2] Gaastra
[3] Ezzy

Sails - Other (Freeride, Slalom, Freestyle, etc)
[1] NP
[2] Gaastra
[3] Naish

Sails - Graphics
[1] NP - It's the brand the others copy (except North)
[2] Gaastra
[3] Naish
pingu
pingu
TAS
40 posts
TAS, 40 posts
16 Dec 2008 1:17pm
I don't see how this is going to "dispel or confirm the myth". But I do think that wave board reviews have got less informative. This may be because the market has got more diverse and harder to pin down or maybe the magazines have got more tight@rse and focused on keeping the advertisers happy.

If they did more descriptions of the shapes and accurate measurements there would be at least some objective yardstick. They could also include accurate descriptions of the test conditions, say who the testers are including their sponsors and current fav board.

World peace and harmony would be nice too.

Al
russh
russh
SA
3027 posts
SA, 3027 posts
16 Dec 2008 12:49pm




fill all ur spare footstrap screw holes with soapy water, place board in sun 4 a few mins, open vent, if you see bubbles, thats where the extra weight problem is, seen it on a few starboards now, inc 2 of mine ,,,, they were both fishs also hapend to one of my deltas




Think I'll just leave it in the shed and get a fanatic Allwave or a nice RRD wave cult.
FlickySpinny
FlickySpinny
WA
657 posts
WA, 657 posts
16 Dec 2008 12:36pm
Boards - Wave
Don't wave sail (yet)

Boards - Other (Freeride, Slalom, Freestyle, etc)
[1] 2006 F2 Chilli
[2] 2008 JP Freestylewave 84 (yes, I know it's a wave board but I use it for bumpnjump and FS)
[3] Fanatic Skate

Boards - Graphics
Don't care

Sails - Wave
[1] Naish Force
[2] Ezzy
[3] Pryde Zone


Sails - Other (Freeride, Slalom, Freestyle, etc)
Nope

Sails - Graphics
Don't care.

In Melbourne, but recently here from the UK
izaak
izaak
TAS
2013 posts
TAS, 2013 posts
16 Dec 2008 5:26pm
Boards - Wave
[1]dont use them
[2]
[3]

Boards - Other (Slalom,speed)
[1]carbon art
[2]fanatic
[3]f2

Boards - Graphics
[1]fanatic
[2]starboard
[3]?

Sails - Wave
[1]dont use em
[2]
[3]

Sails - Other (Freeride, Slalom, Freestyle, etc)
[1]northsails
[2]serverne
[3]?

Sails - Graphics
[1]north sails warp f2006
[2]serverne od/code red
[3]
choco
choco
SA
4186 posts
SA, 4186 posts
16 Dec 2008 5:02pm
aus301 said...

choco said...

Boards - Other (Freeride, Slalom, Freestyle, etc)
[1]Tabou Manta...limited use on them but they are plug and play best boards ive ever used
[2]Fanatic Falcons...great boards as well
[3]Starboard isonics

Boards - Graphics
[1]Tabou
[2]RRD
[3]windsurfer one design





Glad you like that board choco.




Great board Jamie, ended up buying a 09 manta 59 as well, which is so easy to sail fast it's an unfair advantage
whippingboy
whippingboy
WA
1104 posts
WA, 1104 posts
17 Dec 2008 9:39am
It's funny to hear the descriptions of a board as bomb proof.

I could provide a reasonably accurate list of brands that have snapped in the last few years, and you would get quite a shock ( Yes, even RRD's & Quattros' ). However I value my life , and don't want to blow my cover.

Replace 'bomb proof' with 'extremely resiliant, except when riden by 12 stone gorillas who like to spend most of their time in the air'


This thread gets a three troll rating [}:)][}:)][}:)]




Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
17 Dec 2008 1:17pm
Not much point to this thread. Would be better to have something like what gear do you have and why?

I posted a stupid reply before how Bomboras are my favourite brand then deleted it. Its probably not as stupid as I first thought or perhaps even more stupid. Bombora is my favourite windsurfing brand, plus they made boards that are bomb proof. You could throw a Bombora board off a four story building and it would still be in one piece after the impact.
DavMen
DavMen
NSW
1510 posts
NSW, 1510 posts
17 Dec 2008 2:36pm
Mobydisc said...

You could throw a Bombora board off a four story building and it would still be in one piece after the impact.


And the council would then need to come round and repair the pavement!
nobody
nobody
NSW
437 posts
NSW, 437 posts
17 Dec 2008 4:41pm
DavMen said...

Mobydisc said...

You could throw a Bombora board off a four story building and it would still be in one piece after the impact.


And the council would then need to come round and repair the pavement!

Too bad there aren't any modern shape boards with equivalent strength. Obviously there weren't enough people who wanted them or Bombora would still be around. These days I think they are considered a bit too thin and mast track too far forward, besides being heavy. My Kona One is about 18Kg and amazingly it still sails well, despite what some people think about weight.
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
17 Dec 2008 5:01pm
I'm no expert but I doubt board weight on the water is as important an issue most most windsurfers think it is compared to the board weight as you carry it down to the water.

I think Boards magazine ran a feature recently where they tested the same shaped boards in different construction methods and doing blind tests where it was impossible to tell which board was which, the heavier boards were preferred over the lighter boards by the testers.

Probably in lighter winds heavier constructions lose out more but once you are up and going weight would be less of an issue.


If Bombora made modern shaped board for around $700 to $800 new, I'd buy them.
nobody
nobody
NSW
437 posts
NSW, 437 posts
17 Dec 2008 5:34pm
Mobydisc said...



...

If Bombora made modern shaped board for around $700 to $800 new, I'd buy them.


Me too, but I suspect the price would be more than $1200 these days as overhead versus sale volume would be higher. Still, even at $1200 they would be good value if you're still sailing them 10+ years later.
king of the point
king of the point
WA
1836 posts
WA, 1836 posts
17 Dec 2008 3:36pm
Boards - Wave
[1] SSD......Stone Surfboard Designs
[2] Wave Scalple
[3] Your own hand crafted design

Boards - Other (Freeride, Slalom, Freestyle, etc)
[1] Tripple concave into v
[2] OFF SHORE Ocean racing Speed machines
[3]

Boards - Graphics
[1] TATOO Art
[2] CUSTOM (Hand job)
[3] Your own spray blow job

Sails - Wave
[1] Ezzy..... dose it
[2] Simmer Style
[3] Power Sails(Timmy Car)

Sails - Other (Freeride, Slalom, Freestyle, etc)
[1] Pryde / Gastra ............1st Rotating asymetrical foils
[2] Pryde / Gastra.............1st 3 cam sails
[3]

Sails - Graphics
[1] Stickerd up .............or spray painted .
[2] Sail No starting in S/N ..........
[3] Bar code formate is also good ...... 9 300632090686

SORRY HAD TO GO FINS

1Foot ball fin
2Canak anti cavitational fin (one put in front of the main fin ) Thier were some rippers, hand made ones.
3kANGA FIN ....they were something
4 Foil fin (Bands around the out side)
5 Best of all are Hand made ones with objects glassed into them dope leaf ,spiders etc.
I HAD a fin sent to me called the DOLE FINZ made from soft epoxy and flexed something wicked.........loved it ....till one morning after the boards was on its tail. i found it bent close to 45 degrees............it did come back ,the tip snapped in the end. oh well





CJW
CJW
NSW
1731 posts
CJW CJW
NSW, 1731 posts
17 Dec 2008 5:48pm
whippingboy said...

It's funny to hear the descriptions of a board as bomb proof.


Yeah you're dead right. By bomb proof I mean 'more resilient than other I have sailed' :D

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