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Which Van Should I Buy?

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Created by berowne 26 days ago, 23 Jun 2019
FormulaNova
NSW, 8894 posts
10 Jul 2019 12:58PM
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I found this link which looks like it is for the Japanese equivalent for ANCAP.

www.nasva.go.jp/mamoru/en/car_detail/133

If you go back and search, you can see their videos for some vehicles, although there is only so much overlap between their market cars and ours.


Edit: Offset crashes are not a good choice!

www.nasva.go.jp/mamoru/popup/4Op99ei4BL8

versus

www.nasva.go.jp/mamoru/popup/TbPhyidazVk

WindmanV
VIC, 648 posts
10 Jul 2019 7:16PM
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Hello, Berowne,

Re LDV. You might Google under "LDV road test" to get more info.

The LDV V80 was designed in Europe and has been available in Australia for many years. It is due for replacement during "the near future" (sorry, don't have the exact timing).

The LDV G10 is relatively new to Aust. and it shows in its more modern styling etc.

The low price reflects both vans being made in Chine, thus lower labour costs. Resale value is highly questionable, so don't expect high returns after 3 years (the normal "tradie" life). Service intervals are 15000km, Warranty 3yrs/100,000Km, towing (G10), 1500kg.

If possible, you might ask any couriers that come into your work, what they feel about them. I'd ask what they like AND what they dislike. I'd also ask about parts availability and prices, etc.

Hope this helps.

Shifu
QLD, 1193 posts
12 Jul 2019 1:18PM
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Would it be illegal to convert an Imax to a van by taking out the rear seats and seatbelt? I want the petrol engine, auto box and soundproofing, but with no family to transport I could dispense with the rear accomodation and use it purely for windsurfing and bunnings trips.


Edit: Answered my own question:





Stretchy
WA, 462 posts
12 Jul 2019 1:19PM
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Interesting, so if you install racks it would be best to be able to demonstrate they can be easily removed. That's how I setup my iMax and I have found it useful (I have the seats back in the van at the moment). In WA there are no annual inspections so it's probably an easier setup to run with over here

sailquik
VIC, 4662 posts
12 Jul 2019 5:22PM
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mr love said..
I don't recall advocating buying "heavier vehicles" I just want people to be aware that some of these older vans and grey imports they are mentioning would struggle to be even close to modern acceptable crash standards. By the way you gain points in ANCAP for pedestrian impact meaning that modern vehicles are safer for a 3rd party as well as the occupant.

Easy, just buy a white one!

sailquik
VIC, 4662 posts
12 Jul 2019 5:24PM
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Ian K said..
Statistics are indicating the taller SUV vehicles we are now buying are worse for pedestrians. Makes sense. A low car with a sloping bonnet and windscreen, like we used to buy, deflects pedestrians over the top - a glancing blow. Bullbars on SUVs make it even worse. A giant cheese grater sort of effect on pedestrians.

www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/05/14/611116451/fatal-pedestrian-crashes-increasingly-involve-suvs-study-finds
www.carscoops.com/2018/07/trucks-suvs-2-3-times-likely-kill-pedestrians-crashes/
www.newscientist.com/article/dn4462-suvs-double-pedestrians-risk-of-death/



If the "pedestrians' are Deer or 'Roo's, it is a different story though.

olskool
QLD, 1407 posts
Friday , 12 Jul 2019 7:25PM
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Shifu , remove the seats. Store them in the garage until you need em. Make your racks to use as many of the original seat fixing points. You could possibly just bolt a plate to the floor n position brackets for racks wherever it suits on the plate. Easy as.
Oh, it is of course just a temporary setup.
Time to sell? Just bolt seats back in.

JonesySail
QLD, 935 posts
Saturday , 13 Jul 2019 7:18PM
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I've done that on my imax , just need to get MOD cert ,

Imax1
VIC, 2062 posts
Saturday , 13 Jul 2019 7:44PM
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JonesySail said..
I've done that on my imax , just need to get MOD cert ,


U done what to me ?
Didnt feel a thing

olskool
QLD, 1407 posts
Saturday , 13 Jul 2019 9:10PM
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JonesySail said..
I've done that on my imax , just need to get MOD cert ,

No you dont Jonesy. Who is too know? Whether you use it regularly as sail gig or not. Only when you sell is it important to make it same as VIN plate states.

FormulaNova
NSW, 8894 posts
Monday , 15 Jul 2019 10:42PM
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Shifu said..
Would it be illegal to convert an Imax to a van by taking out the rear seats and seatbelt? I want the petrol engine, auto box and soundproofing, but with no family to transport I could dispense with the rear accomodation and use it purely for windsurfing and bunnings trips.


With the Elgrands, they come into Australia as a 'campervan' in order to meet gov requirements. They are usually 2 seaters because of this, or possibly 3 or 4 depending on who does the compliance. You then need to get an engineers certificate to certify the additional seats, which are just the manufacturers original seats and belts, to make it back into a 7 or 8 seater.

Its very easy, especially as the seats and belts are factory fitted. They effectively check that its still the case, and then redo the GVM to match the potential weight from the additional passengers. There is a weight allowance for each seating position.

I can't see how you could need an engineers certificate to take it back to a 2 seater. I expect the thing that they are concerned with is if its legally only a 2 seater and you start using the additional seats without an engineer agreeing that they meet the requirements. (Would you need to tell them to ignore the existing engineers certificate??)

From what you have posted, removing these seats in the case of the Elgrands is temporary, as the mounting points stay, but again, I don't think you would run into any problems unlike the scenario of having people sitting in seating positions that are not certified.

berowne
NSW, 281 posts
5 hours ago , 20 Jul 2019 12:01PM
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Job Done!

Thanks for all the input, warnings, advice, counter-advice, ramblings and chatter.

I have gone with a European (against some advice), Petrol (favouring some advice), Commuter style van. After driving an Alfa previously, I struggled with the performance characteristics of the iMax I took for a "fang" . So I found myself a suite ride, Merc Viano (that's probably Spanish for Van, idk) . The V6 really appeals, except when I drive to lake George next year!?!





See you on the water!

berowne
NSW, 281 posts
4 hours ago , 20 Jul 2019 12:36PM
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Might need an upgrade already...

FormulaNova
NSW, 8894 posts
4 hours ago , 20 Jul 2019 1:03PM
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What size is the V6 in the Merc?

I agree with you, as a slow van is no fun. In the E2000 I used to have, it was so slow, but on a positive note, it made you forget all about overtaking people as generally you couldn't! I would have burnt $10 notes if I could have made it go faster.

The Elgrands are pretty fast. People sometimes complain about the economy, but you are pushing 2 tonnes around, so there has to be some penalty for that. A 3.5L V6 is not built for great economy, but the alternative in the Elgrands is a 2.5L V6 where its only slightly better on economy, but slow.

Sometimes I feel embarassed as I take off from the lights normally, at least for an Elgrand, and it looks like I am racing people. The throttle controller is partially at fault as it exagurates the throttle movements if its in the sports modes.




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