dism said...

jp747 said...
i for one had a disastrous crash unto another windsurfer with him slicing thru my board he was on starboard..the facts though were downwind of me 2meters away was another sailor and i was sandwiched to the pt. i just had to hit the brakes instead rather than bear away so really ROW didn't apply here since the situation was hard to avoid...maybe!

Yeah Right of Way only applies when both parties have control of their sailcraft and have the ability to change course. Since you were (it seems) unable to alter course when on Port, then the Starboard rule doesn't apply.

And the 'avoiding collisions at all cost' always applies. Safety before rights

The kiteboarder was in the wrong (on port and not going out the back), but the windsurfer probably shoulda beared off or something.

WAIT, how can you bear off when their is kitelines downwind of the kiter? Maybe they aren't in the exact place needed but probably close to where he needs to bear off. I've never sailed near a kiter. Where whould you go here? Kites are stupid, taking up so much space, that could be a 40ft yacht there and make no difference!

Don't you love it (NOT!) how the kiteboarder does the 'illegal tackle' by putting his board up to KO the windsurfer? Thats like a knees up or elbow into a tackle in league, not cool in either situation.

Too expensive to be hitting eachother like that.

if only someone explained this to the korean on starboard and the taiwanese guy leeward of me..i tried to complain but we never got into "speaking" terms all three of us couldn't understant each otherwell it wasn't a downwind kiter but a windsurfer as well nevertheless i guess the key word to all of these is who has "control"..but who can figure that out in a threesome melee when the adrenalin rush is on

my opinion? if was part of an int'l. committee on ROW rules maybe the best ruling would be which came first in the order of which was invented first, i.e. first bodysurfing, surfing, then yacht sailing(cats,mono's,etc.),windsurfing, boogie boarding, kitesurfing...just a thought

I think the windsurfer did. The way I see it is you should not "trap" someone on the inside of the break. It can be hard to get out, you can have no speed/power, and can get your gear trashed.

Nothing is more annoying than getting a wave, and as your about to head back out, someone is tearing towards you leaving you no room but the sand to crash onto.

Wait until rider is out past the break, and then go, you just have to slow down for 30s and get the next wave.

I don't know how a collision like that occurs unless both riders are daydreaming.

this is silly.. conflict between kite and pole as per usual at most spots wher the 2 parties dont get along.. both are stubborn n stupid n they both end up being schooled like little b!tches.

but seriously.. the poley would have right of way in this situation unless the kiter was actually on a wave, i cant really tell.. either way the poley could of forces windward and gone around the kiter or gybed alot earlier if he was paying attention. but you can see that either neither of them noticed each other or they wer just thick.

rider going out having right of way as far as im concerned only applies when leaving the beach as riders leaving the beach has nowhere to go but onto the sand or into the water.. water is safer to get thrashed on than sand is ( in kiting that is)

as for the "strings" they are actually called lines u noobs. but the kiter if he was to give way and the windsurfer was to bear off down wind to avoid the collision and if the kiter decided to bottom turn around him the kiter would easily just raise his kite height to give the windsurfer clearance.. its simple so either way the problem could of been solved in many ways.

Charl dv said...

as for the "strings" they are actually called lines u noobs. but the kiter if he was to give way and the windsurfer was to bear off down wind to avoid the collision and if the kiter decided to bottom turn around him the kiter would easily just raise his kite height to give the windsurfer clearance.. its simple so either way the problem could of been solved in many ways.

Yes you call us poleys and we call them strings...

Ellobuddha said...

wouldnt it be easier just to stick to "starboard" has ROW. Then when trying to make a quick decision you only have one to make - what tack am I on?

Not ROW/wave position etc etc etc

I'm not a waverider, but my understanding is that these rules evolve as it can be hard to get out through the waves at some spots and easier for the waverider to manouvre around the person coming out.

This changes at some spots where you can get out without going into the same area as the wave riders, so the guy on the wave get ROW.

I guess a large part of these are also to fit in with the surfers too.

I find it amazing that a lot of people don't even understand starboard ROW anyway. To add to this, to avoid a collision you are supposed to turn to starboard, but a lot of people will turn to the left/port side instead, probably as that's the way they pass when driving.

When you come across someone on the other tack, how do you work out if he understands what he 'should' do? The only answer to that I have found is to make it obvious which way I am going by turning more than I normally would.

It's good to see sometimes on the water that the other sailor knows what's what and does the same, but often it becomes an 'outpointing competition'.

EVERYONE HAS TO GET OUT THE BACK BEFORE YOU EVEN GET AND OPPERTUNITY TO WAVE RIDE.

IF YOU HOLD YOUR LINE HEADING OUT ......AND KEEP A CONSTANT SPEED PLANING OR PLODDING AT THE LIP TO JUMP OR GET OVER.

What fk more can one do ,You carnt change direction radically.....

The wave rider thus calls the shots as he should be able to dance and change directions..............
FFFFFFFFFKKKKKKKKKKKKKOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFKKKKKKKKKIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEFFFFFFFFFFFFAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTSSSSSSSSSSSS.

.................i now realise how dangerous this sport is mixing surf breaks with kkkkkkkkkkkkiiiiiiiiiiiitttttttteeeeeeeer.

Back hand or not if someone is heading out and you can see them holding there line at the lip you want to hit wave riding ......MAKE THE CALL

1PULL UP IN FRONT of the dood charging out... EARLIER, WACK IT AND GET OUT OF THERE.

2 Carve around and let them through getting out the back ....with or with out a jump ( ALWAYS woooohooooo or make animal noised as you wave ride past).


AND or SCORE A BOARD UNDER THE RIB CAGE AND DIE.

As for crew flying over the back of waves.........wack it first but time it so you can ,grab the noise of his board,as your coming off the top .... drag the kit to the shore break and drop it there ....you will be doing your self a favour .

Hey, lucky I read this thread then or I'd be thinking it was the same rules as surfing. I'd be charging down the line tomorrow, my first time in surf and yelling "Get off my frickin' wave howlee!" and layback carving right in front of you... well in my mind.

Yeah, makes sense to be opposite to surfing rules as is much harder being caught inside on a windsurfer than on a surfboard (OK a bodyboard for me, embarresment).

>> Who has ROW if it is a left break (ie Gnarlamaroo) and you are sailing out on a port tack? Still the person sailing out?

king of the point said...

The principle its the same same as surfing .......Surfing you take off look down the line ,see someone paddling out.......SO.....YOU GOT OPTIONS snap a turn sending big sheets of spray and ice over them.... ALWAYS...... going wooooohooooo and make aninal noises...........? or carve around them.

Mean time you know the bloke on the inside is paddling hard and straight to the shoulder and , has the option to duck dive.


YOU COULD PULL thus do a big kick ass bottom turn around him as he scrambles over the top and or duck dives,Make sure you also go wooooohoooo and or make animal noised.........

The cridical point comes when your barral riding, because your ajustments to manouver become less as your locked in your self, when you see some on infront of you paddling out.You are more challanged for room to get past him safely.



so to answer your above question
Ok yes there is port and stardard yatchting / sailing racing rules, but in the surf zone it makes no difference what tack your on hold your speed and line and head for the shoulder/ jumping peak....

The u tube clip Making the windsurfing bloke 210% in the right as hes on starboard TACK also ..........

For me that ant an issue.....

What time does happy hour start in WA?
NO wot ... ewe MEAN ... zo! ALLSGOOD

Another retarded Kiteboarder, what an idiot, definately not in the right, thats the problem they started to kite amungst us, and some fool decided to make right of way rules different for kiters to sailors is the surf, how dumb is that.

user said...

More like the windsurfer is sailing amongst kiters !

Windsurfer comes off the worst ! Ran down bigtime !

Moral........keep clear of kitesurfers !

OR...

Keep clear of knobs who either don't know the rules or don't have any respect.

The issue is that whatever the craft, have some basic respect and courtesy on the
water.

Kiteboarders don't have to be in the way, or do stupid things, or not use the rules, but it seems some have a lack of skill, sailing knowlege, surfing knowledge and
manners.

User, being a jerk doesn't do anything good for your sport. I recently took up windsurfing, one of the reasons I didn't choose to kiteboard instead (when it is the new windsport chosen by most others of my age) is because of that attitude.

We need a little respect in the water, whether windsurfer, kiteboarder, surfer, booger, sup'er, longboarder, goatboater or bodysurfer.

The one question I have is: How do you stay away from a kiters lines (see I used your term for them)? No need for collisions, plenty of water and wind for all. Drop the attitude, and everyone can shred out there in their own way, then all are stoked. Then kiters won't be kept off certain places, if we can have a moral code.

> Windsurfer comes off the worst ! Ran down bigtime !
> Moral........keep clear of kitesurfers !

What an idiot. Means if I drive a truck I can hit bikes?

What about respect on the water, something you seem to have none of, as you were raised as a complete brat it seems.

Anyway, personally I get respect by tripping accidentally over the lines on the beach, and driving them on purpose to windward. I often ride older boards, so I don't mind breaking bits by going after windsurfers and kiters that don't respect others - and those stick out like dogs balls on water.

I'm glad I gave up windsurfing!

You guys are so serious and so anal!

What ever happened to the happy go lucky crew that I knew ??

Yeah, incredible that you gave up windsurfing, being sponsored and all that.

user said...

More like the windsurfer is sailing amongst kiters !

Windsurfer comes off the worst ! Ran down bigtime !

Moral........keep clear of kitesurfers !

Slobber on, Miluservich.