hello every one, i have a Allgaier system 52 windsurfer (3 twenty)
my dads friend has given me this windsurfer but it does not have a mast connection ( from mast to board) or could be a pin type i will add a photo of the mast track to see what i am taking about.. i tried to look up on the net but could not find this model any where.. can i buy universal mast connection? i am new to see any help would be great.. thanks

Hi Thunder,


Looks like the mast track system has been ripped out. The only bit left is the retaining plate. Not sure how you would fix it without having the appropriate parts. If you could, putting in a fin base mast track would probably be the way to go, but how you get the fin base into your board without it ripping out is beyond me.

Looks to me like there used to be some kind of carriage that ran on that thinner middle part, and probably had some spring pins that clicked down into the smaller holes to lock it in place.

I suspect that if you were to take those two screws out, the middle part would come free, and would look a bit like a T section?

Fingers crossed that the carriage is still attached to the bottom of the mast...

Seems unlikely, and my guess is that your Dad's friend stopped using it when the carriage broke, and he couldn't find a replacement?

He might be able to dig up some old photos, or draw you a sketch of what you're looking for perhaps..

thunder74
- grab a tape and measure from the back of the board to the closest edge of the mast track
- hopefully this will be about 130cm or so
- if its much larger (tens of centimetres) then the board (without modification) will only work for old sails (they have a longer boom), but that's okay if you only have the old colourful windsurfer sails

Might be easier to get a 2nd hand newer board (something close to 2000)

Depends on budget - but spend couple of hundred and get yourself sailing alot faster (both in speed and quickness to pick the sport) - look at buy&sell on here. I too did the cheap and nasty gear option, only to have it break, but i did learn enough (but i was very annoyed and the old gear put a damper on my fun-factor), newer gear now and starting to see huge differences (some are of course coming from getting better)

I'm new too, get half-decent gear - it;s lighter, easier to sail etc, even good sailors have troubles with old, hard gear. You wanna fiddle around learning how to sail, not fiddle around trying to get a board to work, so that you have a chance to sail.

Not trying to be the doomsayer with your newly acquired gear - just give yourself a chance

hey thunder, seems your keen on the gear, so goodluck with it

Dunno about fixing a uni to it (the other wiser boardheads will sort you out)

btw, the rig is everything above the board, i think you mean your missing the mast

What age and other details (dimensions, brand, type etc) are printed on the sail?

Sounds like you need a universal joint (uni) and a mast foot (connect the uni to the boards mast track, then the mast foot to the uni and the mast fits onto the mast foot)

The measurement is important and so are the age/size of the sails, as otherwise you wont know the best/easiest/usable place to put the mast track (as the board is steered using the placement of the mast as a pivot of the sails power - too far forward it'll continually point you (against your steering) downwind, too far back points you upwind)

Its a Vinta.

I remember the Vinta Twist but don't know what yours is, probably a Vinta 320.

Looks like the same as the on for sale here.

http://providence.craigslist.org/spo/824577246.html

Hmmm. The board is basically worthless. Remove that metal strip and fix in a finbase mastrack system. Screw and glue it in. Then you can use any modern style mastbase fixture thats been made in the last 20 years.

this is the rest of the stuff i have with it..
the mast track is 46cm with 7 holes .. the one in the middle is bigger than the rest. i removed the 2 screws on both sides and the caps come off. 2 more screw looks like holding the plate to the board.. any chance i can replace the mast track or drill no holes and add something which will hold the mast to the board.. the plate looks like its plastic

your boom looks to be a tie-on job, this is really old and you will have to learn a special knot to tie it on (who on seabreeze can give this bloke an old boom? I can't i'm only just getting my gear together)

There is a fair chance that some of that gear will break when you go to sail on it

Your fin box looks to be US Box type
will look like this:


Need at least one in the middle slot for the board to work and a small metal place for it to screw into (put the back metal pins through the horizontal cut thats perpendicular to the fin slot, slide fin back, then use a screw to fasten fin to metal plate that sits inside fin slot)

sorry about the negative comments on your newly acquired gear, I just have recently been through this stage and don't want to see another get put off this great sport by bad/unsailable gear

thunder74 said...


he back of the board to the closest edge of the mast track is 152cm

actually, this measurement is only relevant for when you wanna get into the footstraps
(as in an old longer board with mast track too far forward and new shorter sails and your body gets all contorted trying to get into the straps)

You orange sail is a windsurfer (original one design board) sail

The orange sail is compatible with the board and the green wave sail will be a good size to get you started (but may be too short to get into footstraps with)

Dunno about the Alpha 130, but you could probably just screw a universal straight into the mast track if their is enough space

http://www.windsurfingsales.com.au/products/rig-accessories/
Scroll down to you see 'Gun Sails - Heavy Duty Base' they look like that

Sails work on any board, just old sails have a long foot (bottom edge of sail so are a bit different)

They wouldn't really be work much then a few tens of dollars, but will work okay to learn to windsurf on (the sails are the best gear you have)

dism said...

thunder74 said...


You orange sail is a windsurfer (original one design board) sail

yep your right dism that sail is the origonal 6m sail for the 84 LA olympic games n/o351380 back in those days windsurfing was big, dont quote me but i'm sure there were over 400,00 entry's, and you wouldn't believe it but we got a gold that year

hey thunder74, have you ever thought of takeing up paddle boarding? (sup) youve got it all there, just need some smaller fins & a paddle

thunder74 said...

very funny keef..
I AM OPEN TO OFFERS TO ANY OF THE PHOTOS LISTED

have you got it listed in buy&sell

can i used the sails on a different windsurfer. thanks for everyone that reply helped me heaps.. looks like i will find a better one to try out.

Seems Thunder is in Perth, i'm sure you can go down to the water on a windy day and ask around, WA seems to have alot of windys

Anyone who wants to purchase a vintage sail:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/vintage-6m-sail-for-the-84-LA-olympic-games-n-o351380_W0QQitemZ270285739733QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270285739733&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Or board:
cgi.ebay.com.au/VINTAGE-WINDSURFER-VINTA-TWIST-3-TWENTY-JOHN-HALL_W0QQitemZ270286059731QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item270286059731&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14

Goodluck finding something to sail

Btw, for an analogy of the prices your selling crap gear for, it's like selling a 25c postage stamp for ten bucks

Hope you actually end up sailing and aren't just an ebay fleatrader

There should be a blue slip system for old windsurfing gear, so useless gear doesn't get reused

Wet Willy said...

keef said...

dism said...

thunder74 said...


You orange sail is a windsurfer (original one design board) sail

yep your right dism that sail is the origonal 6m sail for the 84 LA olympic games n/o351380 back in those days windsurfing was big, dont quote me but i'm sure there were over 400,00 entry's, and you wouldn't believe it but we got a gold that year

What's 400,00 in today's numbers, Keef?

yep 84 was a huge year for wind surfing,they had to move the venue down to the gulf of mexico because there wasn't a car parking area big enough in LA to accommodate over 400,00 vehicles let alone trailors and vans