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Gestalt
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21 Jun 2009 1:48am
starboarder said...

Hi guys

I am deciding between the nikon D40 or D60, i heard its better to get the d40 and spend the extra money to get a good lends like 55-200mm VR ?

what do you think for a beginner

thanks



Hi starboarder

i think you need to ask yourself whether you want to take photos or do photography as a hobby.

if you want to take photos then a point and shoot super zoom will do the job.

if you want to take up photography as a hobby then the dslr camera is the way to go.

without commenting on brands there are some important thing to know.

camera bodies

i decided on a metal frame sealed body. it's not a must have but i had a couple of entry level unsealed cameras fall apart due to sand after a year or so use.

also 3 fps is not fast enough for sports photography. you need 5 fps min to make the most of your shots.

the other item when talking bodies is the sensor size. an entry level aps-c sensor dslr body has a crop factor of around 1.6x so a 100mm lens is the equivalent of 160mm in old school 35mm film terms and so on.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APS-C

lens

the advice here is get the best lens you can afford. you get what you pay for.

for sizes, i find myself that my 300mm (480mm equivalent on aps-c body) lens is not quite long enough from time to time. add to this the fact that entry level lenses get soft at max zoom and you soon end up needing some headroom. but it does depend on what you photograph.

the lens sizes i usualy find work are

bump and jump - 200-300mm (need more sometimes).
speed sailing - 70-200mm plenty
wave sailing beach - 100-300mm

so i reckon the 55-200 will fall short a lot of the time. so check out some longer lenses. www.cameralabs.com/reviews/Nikkor_DX_55-200mm_VR/verdict.shtml

also at the wide end, 55mm (80mm equivalent) is way too long for indoors at home plus too long for decent landscape shots. for those you need to be more around the 17-55mm mark. what this means in usual terms is 2 lenses. sad but true.

the speed of the lens (f stop) is also important. all of my lenses are f/4 and i would prefer f/2.8 for more flexibility. ultimately using f/4 lenses means for low light situations you will need a tripod (longer exposure) of fill flash (for moving objects). after 2 years of taking photos there has only been 3 time where i needed a lens in the <2 category and i don't use tripods. those occasions have all been at night or in a room with minimal lighting and people moving around.

am currently looking into f/2 and faster lenses for shooting bands. the other times you would need that speed are all hand held occasions where you don't want flash, like weddings at night, indoor sports etc or dof macro outcomes like pandas pancakes. the thing is it is hard to shoot at less than f/2.0 with moving objects as the depth of field (focus distance) is very short.

like panda my preference is to not use flash and only use it when absolutely required. ambient lighting to me just looks better.

i currently use a 40d with the 17-85 is usm and 70-300 is usm lens looking at the 50mm f/1.8 very soon. down the track an upgrade to the 24-70L and 100-400L

if money were no problem i would have

1Ds Mark iii body with

16-35mm L f/2.8 usm
24-70mm L f/2.8 usm
70-200mm L f/2.8 is usm
100-400mm L f4.5-5.6 is usm
600mm f/4.0 L is usm
24mm f/1.4
50mm f/1.2
85mm f/1.2
24mm tilt shift

that would cover everything.

this is a good article.

photo.net/equipment/building-a-digital-slr-system/
Haircut
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21 Jun 2009 9:57am
Winds up! heading back to train in about 30 mins
Gestalt
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21 Jun 2009 9:59am
what the.

it's dead calm here?
chairman
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21 Jun 2009 8:15am
HC has been hitting Da Vectas Special Lantana
Haircut
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21 Jun 2009 10:59am
c'mon, you don't know what you're missing
Windy Bum
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21 Jun 2009 11:05am
HC its blowing about 20 gusting to 23.5 out of my ass.
evlPanda
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21 Jun 2009 11:13am
Rename to "Wind Wonderers?"
Gestalt
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21 Jun 2009 11:28am
it's blowing here now

hmm, fingers crossed it's not just a 15 minute squall
da vecta
da vecta
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21 Jun 2009 11:29am
I have just cleared a fairly large section of Lantana and I am half beginning to think that it might be worth keeping half an eye on Kirra tomorrow.
Windy Bum
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21 Jun 2009 11:33am
brown eye for Kirra
Gestalt
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21 Jun 2009 12:07pm
it's ok. nothing to see now. dead calm again
chairman
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21 Jun 2009 10:42am
Wil join you at Kirra
As soon as I fine tune my Astral Projection
vando
vando
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21 Jun 2009 12:43pm
Just Rain here
Gestalt
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21 Jun 2009 1:07pm
i found the wind


evlPanda
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21 Jun 2009 1:27pm
I might make like Scarlett O'Hara...

I just can't believe this is accurate:



We need people to tweet the actual conditions. I tire of this oppression.
NotWal
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21 Jun 2009 7:55pm
skunked again. bah humbug.
Haircut
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22 Jun 2009 9:06am
anyone SERIOUSLY considering kirra today?
evlPanda
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22 Jun 2009 10:28am
^ I'm seriously considering... something. Averaging one sail/month lately.




Gestalt said...
i think you need to ask yourself whether you want to take photos or do photography as a hobby.

if you want to take photos then a point and shoot super zoom will do the job.

if you want to take up photography as a hobby then the dslr camera is the way to go.


Evolution:


starboarder
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22 Jun 2009 10:41am
Hi guys,

thanks very much for the detailed reply,

I am getting a camera to replace my sanyo xacti waterproof 'camera' (the LCD screen became faulty and unrepairable), anyway the insurance company gave me a budget of $600 to spend, I had set my mind on the nikkon d40 but they just told me i have to get a camera with video recording ability cause that is what i orginally had.... anyway i will probably get the the Canon PowerShot SX1 IS which is a not a dslr camera but with HD function.

thank again lol





after long research i
starboarder
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22 Jun 2009 10:43am
sorry should have proof read before i post my message from above
da vecta
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22 Jun 2009 7:24pm
Haircut said...

anyone SERIOUSLY considering kirra today?


The God Damn luck of the Irish! Was all ready for a sunny 20 knots NE and what was it?...

ZERO knots at 3pm. Who would have thunk it?
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