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Planing in 10-11 knots: What board, what sail?

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Created by FrenchToast > 9 months ago, 2 Apr 2017
sl55
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13 Jul 2017 12:22PM
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I sail in Sheboygan, Wisconsin. 1h north of Milwaukee; 2:30h north of Chicago. You might be right regarding how little wind there was. Maybe 9-10 knots? I cannot imagine getting this kit on a plane in less than that. I had similar session 2 days ago and it took me at least 8-10 pump to get the board up and going. Once it is on a plane tho, the kit is going through lulls fantastically well. I really tok the wind to die down for the board to come off.

More impressions:
About a week ago, I went out in 13-14 knots it seemed. The V8 was set to release plenty at the top with medium+ outhaul. Even overpowered in gusts, the sail was balanced; it was tiring but manageable. The board was flying over the chop and swell. I think the Falcon can easily be rigged with a 8 or 8.5 in stronger wind and still provide a controlled ride. The boom length being this short, I even managed to waterstart after a failed jibe (the luff sleeve wasn't yet full of water though). I used a 57cm slalom fin (stock is 50cm). Doesn't seem to make a difference upwind and I haven't had enough TOW to see if it provides more early planing lift compared to the 50cm. I managed to spin out a couple of time upwind with the 57cm though. Maybe putting too much foot pressure... don't know. Fully powered, the Falcon Lightwind is fast but doesn't seem to be as fast as my 124L AtomIQ. I need a gps tracker to verify. Regardless, I've been on the water planing with a smile in conditions I wouldn't have bothered heading out to the beach. The kit is doing exactly what I was hopping for. The 9.4 V8 is delivering substantially more power than my 8.5 Lion3 obviously.

Next winter, I have to try foiling on rental gear and if conclusive, I might put a foil on the falcon for new lightwind experiments! If anyone has done this on a JP, Fanatic or RRD lightwind, let me know how it went.


Almost my neighbor. I sail on lake Winnebago near Fond-du-Lac on the east shore. Waiting for Horue foil for almost two months already

BSN101
WA, 1032 posts
13 Jul 2017 10:47PM
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Hello all. My MCL is doing better and I've been able to get back on the water this week. Here's the result of 40 minutes of sailing yesterday with the Falcon and a short bonus vid. I'll need more time on the water to really exploit the kit and get everything I can out of it. But so far I'm pretty happy and impressed: this is the very first time I'm planing on open water without any white caps.

Here's a short video and my first impression:


Conditions were very marginal: 11 knots with a few gust at 12-13. I weigh 85kg and this is as low as I would take it with the 9.4 for now. Would be best in 12-13 knots. I sailed the 50cm stock fin. Next time I will use a 58cm to provide more lift and early planing. Upwind is good but not remarkably better than my 124 L freeride. I think it will improve once I have a few hours riding it with harness lines properly adjusted. It is stable but agile through small chop and rolling swell, comfortable but relatively alive under the feet. The footstraps are easy to get in. It is fast in marginal conditions once on a plane, but at 90cm wide, it has a tendency to "stick" to the water and needs pumping a little to get it to plane in 11-12 knots. The NP V8 is beautifully manufactured. It rigs very easily and has plenty of power. Hard to say more besides that the NP V8 feels relatively manageable despite its size (short boom length for a sail this size), but deliver a more direct power than my Ezzy Lion. I'm happy with the kit and I think it will extend my time on the water during the summer in conditions below 14-15 knots especially during lulls. Now, I think the board begs a foil and a 6.0 sail to lower even more the wind speed threshold!





Why can't I see the video?

FrenchToast
30 posts
17 Jul 2017 1:14PM
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Sorry about that. The video has been blocked in 246 countries.
Merlin Beggars is a music publisher. From what I could found, they seem to be known for abusive copyright claims.

The video uses excerpts of music that this company publishes. This is the first publisher that attempts to block my vid. Unlike other publishers, I think their philosophy is to go against the use of any content they represent without any discrimination.

I filled a copyright dispute under the right to "fair use of copyright content". It appears that while the case is being reviewed by the publishing company, the restrictions have been removed. At least temporarily. So go and try to see if the vid works in your country...

FrenchToast
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17 Jul 2017 2:13PM
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Almost my neighbor. I sail on lake Winnebago near Fond-du-Lac on the east shore. Waiting for Horue foil for almost two months already


Ha! We might have crossed paths: I also sail on Winnebago mainly during westerly wind days. Often launching in front of WindPower or at Deadwood Point. See ya there and let us know in a new post your experience with the new foil kit.

sl55
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18 Jul 2017 9:31PM
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sl55 said..
Almost my neighbor. I sail on lake Winnebago near Fond-du-Lac on the east shore. Waiting for Horue foil for almost two months already



Ha! We might have crossed paths: I also sail on Winnebago mainly during westerly wind days. Often launching in front of WindPower or at Deadwood Point. See ya there and let us know in a new post your experience with the new foil kit.


Just wrote Horue an angry letter... They are moving their plant, whatever it means, but they promised to ship it this week.
Yeah, I have a little house on Sylvan Bay close to Don's. I am there on weekends.
Had a blast last Saturday for about 4 hours straight on 8.4m.
Welcome to rig on my lawn. We have less weeds and rocks than Deadwood has

scottydog
173 posts
28 Jul 2017 9:51PM
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10 - 11 knots is a tricky one these days for me. I have a SB Free formula which I use a NP RSS 10m sail with but because I don't sail so often I have found it's quite brutal physically! For that board I feel using my 8.4m sail is more sensible as I have had some issues with my rotator cuff so not willing to annoy it!

In that sort of wind I have been heading out on my longboard more often than not as it does go quite well in that stuff, if I go island exploring then the preferred choice as shortboards are hell on earth to control in secluded bays!

This is a recent outing on the longboard, I am sure the Free Formula would have also got going in the 7 - 12 knots but would have been hard work in the lulls!

Beaglebuddy
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2 Aug 2017 4:35PM
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Scottydog, interesting to see so many people out on the water which allows you some freedom to explore, always some folks to give a lift if the wind were to completely die.
I'm on Kauai, we don't venture too far from shore because there is nobody, just an occasional small fishing boat but mostly nothing, no ships, yachts, airplanes, just nothing.

FrenchToast
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30 Oct 2017 1:08PM
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For those outside the US who were not able to watch my short video on my first time on the Fanatic Falcon lightwind, here's a new link:


The music publishing company kept on blocking the original vid. Hopefully this version will stay clear.

I sailed this board in very different conditions over the last 4 months and pushed it in 17-18kn with a 7.5 in 6 foot swell. That was a handful but I was positively surprised at how "civilized" the board was in these conditions. I'll post a few pics and maybe a vid on that session in the upcoming weeks.

BSN101
WA, 1032 posts
30 Oct 2017 8:34PM
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For those outside the US who were not able to watch my short video on my first time on the Fanatic Falcon lightwind, here's a new link:

The music publishing company kept on blocking the original vid. Hopefully this version will stay clear.

I sailed this board in very different conditions over the last 4 months and pushed it in 17-18kn with a 7.5 in 6 foot swell. That was a handful but I was positively surprised at how "civilized" the board was in these conditions. I'll post a few pics and maybe a vid on that session in the upcoming weeks.


What size fin?

FrenchToast
30 posts
30 Oct 2017 8:48PM
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50cm that day but I now sail a 56cm with that sail.

BSN101
WA, 1032 posts
30 Oct 2017 10:03PM
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50cm that day but I now sail a 56cm with that sail.


I have starboard ultrasonic that has a 58 drake fin. It's been a handful a couple of times (8.2 Hornet) so looking for a smaller one but not sure how much smaller is the best option. I can and will borrow a 50 to try that. I also haven't used it with my KA Race 8.7 yet.
Cheers Dave

sl55
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31 Oct 2017 2:02AM
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FrenchToast said..
50cm that day but I now sail a 56cm with that sail.



I have starboard ultrasonic that has a 58 drake fin. It's been a handful a couple of times (8.2 Hornet) so looking for a smaller one but not sure how much smaller is the best option. I can and will borrow a 50 to try that. I also haven't used it with my KA Race 8.7 yet.
Cheers Dave


Ultrasonic gets overfinned easily with the included Drake, I use it with Select 55cm fin and it keeps it from doing wheelies in the gusts. Loosing some low wind planing ability though. I am 190lbs (86kg).

FrenchToast
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31 Oct 2017 2:30AM
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I never had any issues (spin outs etc.) with that combo on the Falcon:
- 50cm stock fin with the Ezzy Lion3 8.5
- 56cm Select with the NP V8 9.4
I noticed that the 56 with the 9.4 is giving a tad more lift and doesn't require as much pumping to get the board going in marginal conditions.

Orange Whip
QLD, 374 posts
3 Nov 2017 8:41PM
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I'm in the process of gearing up to plane in less than 12 knots. I'm not interested in foiling, plenty of challenges left with standard gear. My biggest sail currently is a 7.7 Hornet, 6 batten, 2 cams and will buy a bigger sail shortly. Was looking out for a s/h JP SLW but happened upon a formula board for a third of the price.

Took the formula out today with the 7.7 to get an idea of sail size I need. The board is 100 wide with a 90cm tail. Fin was 70cm. Wind was mostly below 10 but got the occasional 10-11 knot gust. Didn't get planing. I think if the wind was consistent 11 I may have had a chance. Thinking I'll go for an 8.7 V8 and settle for what that does. Not keen to go bigger. My weight 77 kgs.

No video but here's some pics of the combo before I went out this morning.


























FrenchToast
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26 Nov 2017 9:42PM
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Nice kit Orange Whip. Is there any places around where you can try a couple of sail sizes? I'm 85-88kg and I can get my Falcon lightwind planing in 13kn with my 8.5 Ezzy Lion, and 11kn with my 9.4 NP V8. Seems like a 8.7 V8 should give you what you are looking for.

I recall some asking how a lightwind board does in more powered up conditions. I explored some of its limits I guess. And here's the vid to prove it!

Kit:
2017 Fanatic Falcon Lightwind 159L - 50cm Stock Fin
2016 Ezzy Cheetah 7.5
Wind NNE 15kn - gusts 17-18kn
Waves: Swell 4 to 5 feet plus chop

My take:
Despite not being a top choice for such conditions, 15-17 knots is not a problem for the Fanatic Falcon Lightwind. Not only it is totally manageable in nicely-formed swell and chop, it is quite fun to sail straight lines in these conditions. The Falcon Lightwind just wants to go fast regardless of what's in front and can easily take the abuse in conditions above its intended use. The board is predictable and behaves surprisingly light under the feet but beware, with a 90cm width, it is best to avoid big take-offs!
The video features 3 minutes of uninterrupted continuous sailing footage, so be sur you're awake before watching!

iam5speed
QLD, 9 posts
4 Jan 2018 12:22PM
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Hey FT (& everyone else)

I'm new to this site but have been reading this thread with interest & have enjoyed reading everyone's input.

I've been sailboarding for 25 years but a couple of years ago I damaged my arm & wrist (fell off a ladder & my arm is quite weak) & haven't been able to sail (& I miss that sensation of speed with just the sound of water slapping on the board (you know what I'm saying)).

I have the opportunity to buy a Falcon L/W & I have a NP 8.7m no cam sail that used to work well in light winds. I weigh 78kg. I'd like your opinion on if its possible I could get the L/W planning in under 10kn with that sail?

Due to my arm, I doubt I will ever sail in anything over 15kn which gives me a very small wind speed window & I dont think I can handle a bigger sail due to the weight of the rig. Just keen to hear your thoughts as you seem to be the only person with a L/W I can find.

Would also like any tips on early planing from anyone (with minimal pumping) i.e. fin sizes, mast position, harness line position, sail setup etc.

Thanks in advance

Mark

BSN101
WA, 1032 posts
4 Jan 2018 12:57PM
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Hey FT (& everyone else)

I'm new to this site but have been reading this thread with interest & have enjoyed reading everyone's input.

I've been sailboarding for 25 years but a couple of years ago I damaged my arm & wrist (fell off a ladder & my arm is quite weak) & haven't been able to sail (& I miss that sensation of speed with just the sound of water slapping on the board (you know what I'm saying)).

I have the opportunity to buy a Falcon L/W & I have a NP 8.7m no cam sail that used to work well in light winds. I weigh 78kg. I'd like your opinion on if its possible I could get the L/W planning in under 10kn with that sail?

Due to my arm, I doubt I will ever sail in anything over 15kn which gives me a very small wind speed window & I dont think I can handle a bigger sail due to the weight of the rig. Just keen to hear your thoughts as you seem to be the only person with a L/W I can find.

Would also like any tips on early planing from anyone (with minimal pumping) i.e. fin sizes, mast position, harness line position, sail setup etc.

Thanks in advance

Mark



Im a new owner of the Starboard Ultrasonics 147 2017 Drake Race 58cm.
I have used NP Hornet 8.2 and have a KAR 8.7 that I've not used yet.

What is the sail? Age & model
If you are weak then a large sail is heavy!
If you are weak then a large sail is also heavy to up haul.
If you are gybing and not dropping the sail it will be just ok if there is wind to power it but in schlogging and over powered conditions it could present you with problems.
This is subjective/dependant on your ability. Can you take it out and see for yourself? that would answer your question.

Something like a Mistral RB/SB Phantom might do you better as the glide is addictive and they are super versatile. (ScottyDogs video at top)

snorkel692
QLD, 107 posts
4 Jan 2018 5:45PM
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I'm a huge fan of my Ultrasonic. My most common rig with it is 9.4 but have used Formula sails up to 12 to extract planing in zephyrs. In 10-11 knots I use the stock Drake fin ( 58). In 7-10 I have a 65 Select and if it's more than about 13knots I drop to a 55cm fin but realistically get a smaller board out instead. Got my ULtrasonic in 2014 it has been used a huge amount including teaching my kids in it and it is holding up like a champion. Giant thumbs up from me as a light wind option. Plus the new ones have foil boxes. If the wind dies the 147l volume makes for a very comfortable limp home and the gybing is way better than a Formula board. Quadrupled my short board time.

mudshark65
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5 Jan 2018 5:12AM
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Waiting for my 2018 Ultrasonic to arrive. I sail primarily in Kailua on the island of Oahu. No one has any kind of slw board so am thrilled to hear these reviews and see Frenchtoast really moving without a whitecap in sight. By the way Frenchtoast Rob Burns the former owner of Local Motion lives in my hood. Local Motion dabbled in windsurfing for a very short time in the 80's. Alohaz

BSN101
WA, 1032 posts
5 Jan 2018 6:44AM
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I'm a huge fan of my Ultrasonic. My most common rig with it is 9.4 but have used Formula sails up to 12 to extract planing in zephyrs. In 10-11 knots I use the stock Drake fin ( 58). In 7-10 I have a 65 Select and if it's more than about 13knots I drop to a 55cm fin but realistically get a smaller board out instead. Got my ULtrasonic in 2014 it has been used a huge amount including teaching my kids in it and it is holding up like a champion. Giant thumbs up from me as a light wind option. Plus the new ones have foil boxes. If the wind dies the 147l volume makes for a very comfortable limp home and the gybing is way better than a Formula board. Quadrupled my short board time.


Hi snorkel, are you getting good speeds out of it. Ive got 26knts with 8.2 NP Hornet. on stock 58 fin

iam5speed
QLD, 9 posts
5 Jan 2018 12:40PM
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iam5speed said..
Hey FT (& everyone else)

I'm new to this site but have been reading this thread with interest & have enjoyed reading everyone's input.

I've been sailboarding for 25 years but a couple of years ago I damaged my arm & wrist (fell off a ladder & my arm is quite weak) & haven't been able to sail (& I miss that sensation of speed with just the sound of water slapping on the board (you know what I'm saying)).

I have the opportunity to buy a Falcon L/W & I have a NP 8.7m no cam sail that used to work well in light winds. I weigh 78kg. I'd like your opinion on if its possible I could get the L/W planning in under 10kn with that sail?

Due to my arm, I doubt I will ever sail in anything over 15kn which gives me a very small wind speed window & I dont think I can handle a bigger sail due to the weight of the rig. Just keen to hear your thoughts as you seem to be the only person with a L/W I can find.

Would also like any tips on early planing from anyone (with minimal pumping) i.e. fin sizes, mast position, harness line position, sail setup etc.

Thanks in advance

Mark




Im a new owner of the Starboard Ultrasonics 147 2017 Drake Race 58cm.
I have used NP Hornet 8.2 and have a KAR 8.7 that I've not used yet.

What is the sail? Age & model
If you are weak then a large sail is heavy!
If you are weak then a large sail is also heavy to up haul.
If you are gybing and not dropping the sail it will be just ok if there is wind to power it but in schlogging and over powered conditions it could present you with problems.
This is subjective/dependant on your ability. Can you take it out and see for yourself? that would answer your question.

Something like a Mistral RB/SB Phantom might do you better as the glide is addictive and they are super versatile. (ScottyDogs video at top)


Hey BSN 101

The 147 looks like a great board but I'm thinking I need a little more volume for uphauling. I doubt I will have a lot of waterstarting opportunities in the lower wind speeds I'm chasing. I guess I could go on a bit of a diet & get down to 75kg!

Does the 147 have good volume in front of the mast or is it mainly under the footstraps?

My sail is a NP Diablo maybe 2010 model but pretty much as new. I dont think I will have problems uphauling if I have an uphaul assist setup.
I'd be interested in hearing how your 8.7 goes.

Mark

iam5speed
QLD, 9 posts
5 Jan 2018 12:42PM
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I'm a huge fan of my Ultrasonic. My most common rig with it is 9.4 but have used Formula sails up to 12 to extract planing in zephyrs. In 10-11 knots I use the stock Drake fin ( 58). In 7-10 I have a 65 Select and if it's more than about 13knots I drop to a 55cm fin but realistically get a smaller board out instead. Got my ULtrasonic in 2014 it has been used a huge amount including teaching my kids in it and it is holding up like a champion. Giant thumbs up from me as a light wind option. Plus the new ones have foil boxes. If the wind dies the 147l volume makes for a very comfortable limp home and the gybing is way better than a Formula board. Quadrupled my short board time.


How much do you weigh if you dont mind me asking snorkel?

BSN101
WA, 1032 posts
5 Jan 2018 1:21PM
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BSN101 said..


iam5speed said..
Hey FT (& everyone else)

I'm new to this site but have been reading this thread with interest & have enjoyed reading everyone's input.

I've been sailboarding for 25 years but a couple of years ago I damaged my arm & wrist (fell off a ladder & my arm is quite weak) & haven't been able to sail (& I miss that sensation of speed with just the sound of water slapping on the board (you know what I'm saying)).

I have the opportunity to buy a Falcon L/W & I have a NP 8.7m no cam sail that used to work well in light winds. I weigh 78kg. I'd like your opinion on if its possible I could get the L/W planning in under 10kn with that sail?

Due to my arm, I doubt I will ever sail in anything over 15kn which gives me a very small wind speed window & I dont think I can handle a bigger sail due to the weight of the rig. Just keen to hear your thoughts as you seem to be the only person with a L/W I can find.

Would also like any tips on early planing from anyone (with minimal pumping) i.e. fin sizes, mast position, harness line position, sail setup etc.

Thanks in advance

Mark





Im a new owner of the Starboard Ultrasonics 147 2017 Drake Race 58cm.
I have used NP Hornet 8.2 and have a KAR 8.7 that I've not used yet.

What is the sail? Age & model
If you are weak then a large sail is heavy!
If you are weak then a large sail is also heavy to up haul.
If you are gybing and not dropping the sail it will be just ok if there is wind to power it but in schlogging and over powered conditions it could present you with problems.
This is subjective/dependant on your ability. Can you take it out and see for yourself? that would answer your question.

Something like a Mistral RB/SB Phantom might do you better as the glide is addictive and they are super versatile. (ScottyDogs video at top)



Hey BSN 101

The 147 looks like a great board but I'm thinking I need a little more volume for uphauling. I doubt I will have a lot of waterstarting opportunities in the lower wind speeds I'm chasing. I guess I could go on a bit of a diet & get down to 75kg!

Does the 147 have good volume in front of the mast or is it mainly under the footstraps?

My sail is a NP Diablo maybe 2010 model but pretty much as new. I dont think I will have problems uphauling if I have an uphaul assist setup.
I'd be interested in hearing how your 8.7 goes.

Mark


Hi Mark,
US147 is absolutely fine to UH, I'm 90kgs
My sailing buddy uses Severne NCX 7.0 & 8.2 on his and he's under 70kgs.
When i take the 8.7 out ill reply to you.
these boards are 93-95 wide

Dave

FrenchToast
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13 Feb 2018 12:40PM
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Below, still the Falcon lightwind and the NP V8 9.4 in a 2min short vid on a beautiful October day. ...Have to say, the 9.4 is a lot to handle and my joints are not those of my 20s, nor are my athletic aptitudes. So next, I'll probably go ahead and fall for the foil trend and fit the Falcon with a LP foil this coming spring and take it easy on the joints by sailing the kit with something less than 7.0 I guess... This is kind of going full circle as I recall someone suggesting foiling in an earlier post in this thread, as an answer to my original "planning in 10-11 knots..." question. Ha!

snorkel692
QLD, 107 posts
13 Feb 2018 9:28PM
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snorkel692 said..
I'm a huge fan of my Ultrasonic. My most common rig with it is 9.4 but have used Formula sails up to 12 to extract planing in zephyrs. In 10-11 knots I use the stock Drake fin ( 58). In 7-10 I have a 65 Select and if it's more than about 13knots I drop to a 55cm fin but realistically get a smaller board out instead. Got my ULtrasonic in 2014 it has been used a huge amount including teaching my kids in it and it is holding up like a champion. Giant thumbs up from me as a light wind option. Plus the new ones have foil boxes. If the wind dies the 147l volume makes for a very comfortable limp home and the gybing is way better than a Formula board. Quadrupled my short board time.



How much do you weigh if you dont mind me asking snorkel?


Just found this sorry! 78kg

snorkel692
QLD, 107 posts
13 Feb 2018 9:31PM
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snorkel692 said..
I'm a huge fan of my Ultrasonic. My most common rig with it is 9.4 but have used Formula sails up to 12 to extract planing in zephyrs. In 10-11 knots I use the stock Drake fin ( 58). In 7-10 I have a 65 Select and if it's more than about 13knots I drop to a 55cm fin but realistically get a smaller board out instead. Got my ULtrasonic in 2014 it has been used a huge amount including teaching my kids in it and it is holding up like a champion. Giant thumbs up from me as a light wind option. Plus the new ones have foil boxes. If the wind dies the 147l volume makes for a very comfortable limp home and the gybing is way better than a Formula board. Quadrupled my short board time.



Hi snorkel, are you getting good speeds out of it. Ive got 26knts with 8.2 NP Hornet. on stock 58 fin


Not as good a top speed as you mine's in the 25s ( I'll use our lumpy water as an excuse) but its good for 20-23kn in bugger all wind with the 9-and-a-half. My best alpha on it is about 16 which just shows I'm a numpty sailor! This board changed my sailing.

olskool
QLD, 469 posts
13 Feb 2018 11:06PM
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Planing at 10kts? Thats RB + 9.5 land. Ive sailed beside the FOILERS. Quite interesting. I get planing before the local foil guys get onto foil. Once theyre up they then go past me. Silently.... But if wind drops 1kt, down they come n i plane past. A real leapfrog game in gusty light winds.

NordRoi
205 posts
14 Feb 2018 9:23AM
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And take in consideration that frenchtoast is on fresh water!!

BSN101
WA, 1032 posts
14 Feb 2018 4:40PM
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BSN101 said..


snorkel692 said..
I'm a huge fan of my Ultrasonic. My most common rig with it is 9.4 but have used Formula sails up to 12 to extract planing in zephyrs. In 10-11 knots I use the stock Drake fin ( 58). In 7-10 I have a 65 Select and if it's more than about 13knots I drop to a 55cm fin but realistically get a smaller board out instead. Got my ULtrasonic in 2014 it has been used a huge amount including teaching my kids in it and it is holding up like a champion. Giant thumbs up from me as a light wind option. Plus the new ones have foil boxes. If the wind dies the 147l volume makes for a very comfortable limp home and the gybing is way better than a Formula board. Quadrupled my short board time.




Hi snorkel, are you getting good speeds out of it. Ive got 26knts with 8.2 NP Hornet. on stock 58 fin



Not as good a top speed as you mine's in the 25s ( I'll use our lumpy water as an excuse) but its good for 20-23kn in bugger all wind with the 9-and-a-half. My best alpha on it is about 16 which just shows I'm a numpty sailor! This board changed my sailing.


SBUS147 2017 Drake Race 58, Ive consistently had sessions with speeds over 50kmh (52.3 top) with NP Hornet 7.7/8.2. And Ive not been thrown off recently either after my second outings dismount. I really like this board and have been quite lucky with the conditions that I've been out. I had no luck when i took the 8.7 KAR 2017 out for the first time. Couldn't get going at all. Bad rigging on my behalf tho.
Dave

FrenchToast
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14 Feb 2018 10:45PM
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And take in consideration that frenchtoast is on fresh water!!


My experience on that topic is that a 115 liter board on freshwater will almost feel like a 100 liter board of the same make on saltwater. It seems that the added buoyancy that saltwater provides is equivalent to about 10-15 litters over a 100 liter board. I empirically know that from sailing the Naish Starship in both fresh and saltwater in both sizes. This of course depends on your weight. I am 85kg and with my average windsurfing skill level I can uphaul a 5.7 on a 100L in saltwater (not with ease tho) but definitely cannot on freshwater. What seems certain is that on low or high volume boards, the salt/fresh water factor doesn't matter much anymore from a buoyancy standpoint, except maybe that the large boards like the Falcon Lightwind will feel sticking to the water a bit more on freshwater it seems. Nothing scientific but just my impression...



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