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quad fin recommendations

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Created by Gestalt Two weeks ago, 1 Feb 2019
philn
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Monday , 11 Feb 2019 5:52AM
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Apart from Philip Koster's preference for twins, who else rides a twin on the PWA? I think the only other pro still using a twin is Marcillio Brown riding his quad as a twin at Pozo

philn
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Monday , 11 Feb 2019 5:53AM
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But those 2 are hacks so twins must be sh!t?

philn
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Monday , 11 Feb 2019 5:55AM
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You know, I rode a Starboard in 2009 and hated it, so now I bad mouth the 2019 range every chance I get. ??

bowsa
QLD, 530 posts
Monday , 11 Feb 2019 11:46AM
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forceten said..

Gestalt said..
i haven't ridden the twins being discussed here but i always wondered why the designers of twins tend to keep the tail narrow and the fins close together instead of being more of a fish design.




Because the forces on a Windsurf board are different to a surf board.
While similarities exist, they react differently. Quad placement, typically on a surf board has all fins nearer the rail, the preferred Windsurf, voted by most made, have rears inward towards the centerline.

take note of the actual twins offered now, hardly any Windsurf, oh several quads say they can be used as twins .


Each to their own
starviard nuevo 101 was an amazing board
twinnies are great

forceten
509 posts
Tuesday , 12 Feb 2019 2:08AM
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bowsa said..

forceten said..


Gestalt said..
i haven't ridden the twins being discussed here but i always wondered why the designers of twins tend to keep the tail narrow and the fins close together instead of being more of a fish design.





Because the forces on a Windsurf board are different to a surf board.
While similarities exist, they react differently. Quad placement, typically on a surf board has all fins nearer the rail, the preferred Windsurf, voted by most made, have rears inward towards the centerline.

take note of the actual twins offered now, hardly any Windsurf, oh several quads say they can be used as twins .



Each to their own
starviard nuevo 101 was an amazing board
twinnies are great


Isn't that a Nude design ? Was ?

forceten
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Tuesday , 12 Feb 2019 3:35AM
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philn said..
But those 2 are hacks so twins must be sh!t?


Bet there are more single fin riders in the PWA than twins.

forceten
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Tuesday , 12 Feb 2019 3:40AM
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philn said..
You know, I rode a Starboard in 2009 and hated it, so now I bad mouth the 2019 range every chance I get. ??


If you rode the 2019 range and you hated them... you would have a personal basis to bad mouth them should you chose to do.

i didn't like the Acid, EVO Wicked Twin. I love the Carve 80 111, Quad 75, 2011. Hypersonic 105, F152

gorgesailor
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Tuesday , 12 Feb 2019 8:07AM
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forceten said..

philn said..
But those 2 are hacks so twins must be sh!t?



Bet there are more single fin riders in the PWA than twins.


in waves? .... nope

forceten
509 posts
Wednesday , 13 Feb 2019 8:47AM
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From another forum
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Don't bother with MFCs... as nice as they look, they're far less durable, far more expensive and not really an increase in performance from K4. I used to think K4 were cheap plastic ****e, but they feel really nice on a board, and if they're good enough for Thomas Traversa to charge triple mast high waves, and win World Cups, they're good enough for any of us!

Plus, when you run them over rocks (which I've never, ever done... or not!) they don't splinter as easily as the likes of Drake, MUF and other G10 type fins."

TT , USED K4s, before he was a sponsored K4 rider.

Mark _australia
WA, 18689 posts
Wednesday , 13 Feb 2019 12:42PM
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^^^ That is referring to the red painted fibreglass ones that all split about 2-3 years ago and they scrapped them and now do real G10 and real carbon again.
That's why I referred to the old G10 ones from about 2012-5

Plus if you hit rocks at least you can repair conventional laminates, you cant fill n sand plastic. Dunno about his 'advantages' list so far.

To each their own but the K4 fan club do really seem to froth a bit.

DunkO
NSW, 981 posts
Wednesday , 13 Feb 2019 8:41PM
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They don't stab you as badly.

Your rail is more important than you fins on a wave board.

philn
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Wednesday , 13 Feb 2019 10:07PM
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forceten said..

philn said..
You know, I rode a Starboard in 2009 and hated it, so now I bad mouth the 2019 range every chance I get. ??



If you rode the 2019 range and you hated them... you would have a personal basis to bad mouth them should you chose to do.

i didn't like the Acid, EVO Wicked Twin. I love the Carve 80 111, Quad 75, 2011. Hypersonic 105, F152


Irony - the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.

philn
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Wednesday , 13 Feb 2019 10:08PM
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gorgesailor said..

forceten said..


philn said..
But those 2 are hacks so twins must be sh!t?




Bet there are more single fin riders in the PWA than twins.



in waves? .... nope


Irony - the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.

philn
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Wednesday , 13 Feb 2019 10:24PM
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forceten said..


philn said..
But those 2 are hacks so twins must be sh!t?




Bet there are more single fin riders in the PWA than twins.



Initially I thought your comment was full of it, so I did an image search of PWA windsurfing. The first image I clicked on proved you are right. My apologies for doubting you.








gorgesailor
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Thursday , 14 Feb 2019 3:23AM
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philn said..

forceten said..



philn said..
But those 2 are hacks so twins must be sh!t?





Bet there are more single fin riders in the PWA than twins.




Initially I thought your comment was full of it, so I did an image search of PWA windsurfing. The first image I clicked on proved you are right. My apologies for doubting you.









ahh.... more irony I guess...

Manuel7
238 posts
Thursday , 14 Feb 2019 3:47AM
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I tried MFC Flex (found on RRD's I believe), MUF and stock Drakes and MB fins.
I liked the Flex best on the Quad but MUF on a Twin.

Probably, the number of fins and shorter length work better with flex, otherwise it may feel stiff.
As a twin, I like to have a strong drive so the MUF's are great.
They do release more suddenly though. The Flex give more of a heads-up before spinning out.

MUF's are probably the fastest (jumps), MFC second a bit more fun on a wave.
Unfortunately never got to try K4's. I wonder how much different they are from the MFC Flex?

forceten
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Thursday , 14 Feb 2019 9:17AM
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Mark _australia said..
^^^ That is referring to the red painted fibreglass ones that all split about 2-3 years ago and they scrapped them and now do real G10 and real carbon again.
That's why I referred to the old G10 ones from about 2012-5

Plus if you hit rocks at least you can repair conventional laminates, you cant fill n sand plastic. Dunno about his 'advantages' list so far.

To each their own but the K4 fan club do really seem to froth a bit.


Be nice, and post test results from your choice of fins. Red or green or

www.k4fins.com/2017/11/24/fin-speed-testing-update/

Mark _australia
WA, 18689 posts
Thursday , 14 Feb 2019 12:58PM
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^^^ firstly this thread seems to be mostly about what feel people prefer.

My point was that as soon as the bigger guys say they don't like flexy fins, the K4 crew come out swinging. No, most big guys want stiffer fins.... and that isn't having a crack at K4. I personally think the best feel I've found is in the more vertical and stiff G10 MFC's from a while back.

Your thing from whoever wrote that on the other forum is a bit cheeky of him as he mentions g10 splitting as if they always do, no it was one model series from MFC and they fixed it up. "Don't bother with MFCs... as nice as they look, they're far less durable, far more expensive and not really an increase in performance from K4."
That's a bit rough.......

Now as to speed testing - they are testing numbers of fins, and styles of fins, only of their own brand. Its not a comparison to anything.

I don't like fins that are too flexy. Who cares?

forceten
509 posts
Friday , 15 Feb 2019 12:26AM
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Gestalt said..
Looking for reviews on quad fin setups from users. Pros and Cons of your fav fins.

I don't mind bespoke hand made suggestions as well.


This is the intend of the thread. Pro Con fav fins.
Surely if it doesn't feel good it doesn't qualify as a favorite.

I like the bit about K4 riders being " frothy" . What is frothy ?

I reckon the MFC s that didn't last so long were made to be flexy.
I use fins that aren't G10 all the time , including surf fins in ProBox bases, they have worked for years, and don't self destruct.

Who cares

gorgesailor
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Friday , 15 Feb 2019 1:36AM
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Mark _australia said..
^^^ firstly this thread seems to be mostly about what feel people prefer.

My point was that as soon as the bigger guys say they don't like flexy fins, the K4 crew come out swinging. No, most big guys want stiffer fins.... and that isn't having a crack at K4. I personally think the best feel I've found is in the more vertical and stiff G10 MFC's from a while back.

Your thing from whoever wrote that on the other forum is a bit cheeky of him as he mentions g10 splitting as if they always do, no it was one model series from MFC and they fixed it up. "Don't bother with MFCs... as nice as they look, they're far less durable, far more expensive and not really an increase in performance from K4."
That's a bit rough.......

Now as to speed testing - they are testing numbers of fins, and styles of fins, only of their own brand. Its not a comparison to anything.

I don't like fins that are too flexy. Who cares?


I think it's generalizations that hurt the intent of the thread. Obviously some heavier guys do like K4's, the first K4 poster - jh2703 said he is 100kg. He was also very specific about which ones. Personally, I also love those G10 Choco's that came with my old Fanatic. That said they were the flexiest G10 fins I ever had(very thin). But I am lighter.



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