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Airush/Starboard Nitro wing and Hookipa material

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martyman
martyman
WA
368 posts
martyman martyman
WA, 368 posts
16 Apr 2022 9:36am
King Crash said..

gorgesailor said..


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martyman said..






King Crash said..







martyman said..
Ya know, regarding the Canopy-I called the Local Sailing Loft who happens to be a Waterman himself. He quoted me about $400 to replace the canopy of a 5m Wing.

I currently have about 40 days on my 5m Allula Glide. I figure the airframe is about 80-85% as stiff as new which is impressive...and important!(I won't bother going into how I derived thes
I will be replacing the canopy sometime in the future, as the airframe is still way stiffer than any Dacron - by a longshot. I figure Dacron wings have about 20 sessions before getting bagged out and affecting performance.
It will certainly be interesting to see how the Hookipa holds up, and they are able to use it as canopy material.
Ive tried an all Allula wing and it was really, really nice.










I did the same Marty. I did a wing myself then had the rest of my wings done by a local loft. $420 a wing with spinnaker staysail cloth, it doesn't have a clear laminate like xply, rather a taffeta with Kevlar and technora yarns. Shape is incredible and very very fast 19.5 knots upwind, pointing as high as yachts. I reckon I'd do the same as you Marty, just buy a wing for the Aluula frame or equivalent.








Thats just terrific news really. The material you have on there sounds even better than the ripstop!







This is it - www.dimension-polyant.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/dp_Produktflyer_Code_Zero_Optic2_E_Web.pdf

I think I have a lighter and lower yarn count for weight reduction. It was the lightest cloth Dimension had. I think they told me it was $30ish a metre, so if you're keen, you could DIY. I'd be tempted to make a leading edge/centre strut. Just a matter of working out the shapes. The canopy is actually a very easy swap, plus for $400 +/- it's less than a used wing and will last many seasons to come






Here is what Takuma is using...





Very similar stuff @gorge. Looks like the Kevlar is painted black, so I'd say it's a similar family of cloth.




Yeah think it's Technora...



Of course it is - just trying to keep it all simple!
Taffeta aramid mix is all you really need. No need for fold lines like the xply reedin, you can fold it as small as you possibly want!


Interesting as Aramid basically disintegrates under UV. They must have it protected pretty well. It's also Hydrophylic..
King Crash
King Crash
NSW
320 posts
King Crash King Crash
NSW, 320 posts
16 Apr 2022 1:27pm
martyman said..

King Crash said..


gorgesailor said..



King Crash said..




gorgesailor said..





King Crash said..






martyman said..







King Crash said..








martyman said..
Ya know, regarding the Canopy-I called the Local Sailing Loft who happens to be a Waterman himself. He quoted me about $400 to replace the canopy of a 5m Wing.

I currently have about 40 days on my 5m Allula Glide. I figure the airframe is about 80-85% as stiff as new which is impressive...and important!(I won't bother going into how I derived thes
I will be replacing the canopy sometime in the future, as the airframe is still way stiffer than any Dacron - by a longshot. I figure Dacron wings have about 20 sessions before getting bagged out and affecting performance.
It will certainly be interesting to see how the Hookipa holds up, and they are able to use it as canopy material.
Ive tried an all Allula wing and it was really, really nice.











I did the same Marty. I did a wing myself then had the rest of my wings done by a local loft. $420 a wing with spinnaker staysail cloth, it doesn't have a clear laminate like xply, rather a taffeta with Kevlar and technora yarns. Shape is incredible and very very fast 19.5 knots upwind, pointing as high as yachts. I reckon I'd do the same as you Marty, just buy a wing for the Aluula frame or equivalent.









Thats just terrific news really. The material you have on there sounds even better than the ripstop!








This is it - www.dimension-polyant.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/dp_Produktflyer_Code_Zero_Optic2_E_Web.pdf

I think I have a lighter and lower yarn count for weight reduction. It was the lightest cloth Dimension had. I think they told me it was $30ish a metre, so if you're keen, you could DIY. I'd be tempted to make a leading edge/centre strut. Just a matter of working out the shapes. The canopy is actually a very easy swap, plus for $400 +/- it's less than a used wing and will last many seasons to come







Here is what Takuma is using...






Very similar stuff @gorge. Looks like the Kevlar is painted black, so I'd say it's a similar family of cloth.





Yeah think it's Technora...




Of course it is - just trying to keep it all simple!
Taffeta aramid mix is all you really need. No need for fold lines like the xply reedin, you can fold it as small as you possibly want!



Interesting as Aramid basically disintegrates under UV. They must have it protected pretty well. It's also Hydrophylic..


That's why there is the taffeta. Consider it a sandwich in layering. It'll be a good combo and judging by Matt Nuzzo's latest review of the RS- it'll be a good one!
hilly
hilly
WA
8134 posts
hilly hilly
WA, 8134 posts
16 Apr 2022 12:56pm
2kg is not amazingly light. Smik 5m would only be a bit more than that.
martyman
martyman
WA
368 posts
martyman martyman
WA, 368 posts
17 Apr 2022 2:41pm
Looking at the website, they really get into useless technical jargon that all but the engineers will be confused by. The comparison to polyester and then to steel are basically useless. How about a comparison to regular dacron, or a known material that is applicable to winging(T2, T3, T4, etc).
My two cents from the couch.
Icebergmansion
Icebergmansion
WA
73 posts
Icebergmansion Icebergmansion
WA, 73 posts
19 Apr 2022 10:21pm
Looks fine.

As said previously the "Load Frame" is awesome on Airush kites so probably will be even better on a wing since they bag out so much quicker given the central load mechanism.

Unfortunately it appears to have outdated handles and one-pump, both features that should not be included on a 3/4th gen product (in my opinion having had wings both aluula and regular, soft handles and hard handles, one-pump and non-one pump).
baldy123
baldy123
WA
459 posts
baldy123 baldy123
WA, 459 posts
27 Apr 2022 10:17pm
Looks a bit baggy.
xply on the Free Wing.

mcrt
mcrt
643 posts
mcrt mcrt
643 posts
28 Apr 2022 4:36am
baldy123 said..
Looks a bit baggy.
xply on the Free Wing.



I have had 4 ripstop Freewings and they just look like that when not full of wind.

The trailing edge is superloose and the canopy has lots of camber even new.

Great low end but difficult to tack, they flap like crazy and rip your arm off when windy.

Not sure if it is the best design choice for a techy material like that but you never know.
foilthegreats
foilthegreats
811 posts
foilthegreats foilthegreats
811 posts
6 May 2022 3:29am
King Crash
King Crash
NSW
320 posts
King Crash King Crash
NSW, 320 posts
6 May 2022 6:55am
foilthegreats said..




this would be the one you're really after.
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