wow this looks bad my other post NEAR DEATH KITING EXPERIENCE is still around from a couple of weeks ago.

It seems im still able to have more kite mares than any other person i know. i was at cott in that beautiful 20knots northerly we had yesterday, the swell was massive and the wind picked up and became pretty consistant.

Where was everyone?? i was the only kiter out at south cott. i was having a ripper day get some HUGE airs of the waves, seriously around 50 feet in height on some of them. Well one of them ... honestly possibly the biggest jump i did, i didn't hit the lip quite right and sent me in to more than a spin than i really didn't want, well i got a bit disorientated and didn't put the kite in the right place for the descent, noticed i was coming down way to fast ditched the board and tried to kind of "dive" in to the water , i hit it so hard side on, ive broken 3 ribs and ripped my intercolostal muscles, and i just had to go and throw up from the nausea created by the morphine.. i cant believe how much that just hurt. and hiccups ... hiccups are so frustrating and unbelievably painful, and there is nothing i can do about it because its from hurting my diaphragm :(

of course that wasn't it. when i crashed i was seroiusly winded my kite hit the water and it inverted plus the jump was so large its went about 100 metres in length and made me go past the rocky outcropping where land meant cliff face. Thankyou nick for your tips on how to get a xbow 2 back to a flyable state that worked a treat then i had to body drag back to my board and kite upwind to get back to the beach feeling my newly floating ribs crunch all the way.. ouch.

so i suppose the water are going to be a little safer of the next couple of months with me out for at least 2 enjoy the wind all. kite safe..

ben

Whilst I am sad to hear you are injured, I am not suprised. You are a very risky kiter which is good but sometimes you don't know your limits. This one could of happened to anyone I guess but at Point Walter I seen numerous times that you een rescued floating in the middle of the boat channel or stuck downwind of the spit floating into the marina because of not enough wind.

It seems in general you stil haven't sussed out your limits, I suggest you take this as a wake up call and kite a bit safer next time. I am not saying don't go for tricks I am saying try them in sensible spots in sensible wind conditions for your corresponding ability.

I think the morphine had kicked in when you wrote this post-I was watching your session and you were obviously having fun - you were out on a cross bow 12 and an Airush hammer?

there are some serious exaggerations to this story -the wind was about 15 knots - certailnly no where near 20.

most of your jumps were waist high to 10 ft and you MAY have hit 15 -maybe 18 ft on the biggest boost - with some nice float- off a wave. Most landings were not nice float downs but out of trim smacks into the water.

Saw the kite invert twice during the session - 1 due to incorrect sending and recovery of the kite -you dont have to send the kite ALL the way across the window to get air - try going from 10:30 to 2 and vice versa- the other as part of the broken rib relaunch

- i'm not sure that you should be on a cross bow (or any bow) as you are regularly getting into situations where the kite will invert (usually getting bent out of shape in jumps due to your oversending habit)

I was impressed to see you go for a kite loop even though your basic jumping technique needs some development - Bow kite loops dont really have the yank and Pizzaz of a c kite whiplash - but good to see you going for it.

Some hooting going on out there so it was obvious you were enjoying yourself. And that really is the most important thing

The swell was a crumbly waist to head high on the sets and really more of a windwave rather than a spaced out groundswell - great little kickers for boosting off.

I saw the wipeout - looks like you rotated into a backroll and got disoriented upside down - losing all kite control-impressive wipeout and i was pretty sure you had broken ribs as soon as i saw the impact! Good luck with your recovery - nobody wants to see anyone missing out on water time - Maybe take the time off to study some intermediate (basic jumping) kitesurfing instructional dvds.

I am on lots of morph :)and it was at about me on xbow2 and hammer ... but that sounded so much less impressive. but i am always going to kite above my ability... thats how i get good at everything i do. snowboarding, same thing broken wrist, but i could do back flips after my 1st session. Squash... no injuries but i always played better against people that were better than me. and i was one of the top players for WA. Its how i roll i love this sport for its rushes and you can always seem to push the envelope. admitidly not always in the best places. So i broke a couple of ribs i doubt it will slow me down. this is still in my first season i guess and I'm pretty happy with my progression.. umm i have to go throw up now ... fek me this hurts.

you know what.. im sorry your right. I think I'm going at this thing the wrong way. i just realized what it means for me to have broken ribs. One i cant work.. i run my own business now im going to have to have a month off no income and still somehow have to pay rent. 2 i have a kid on the way .. a baby girl.. i got to stop just thinking of myself. And 3 i don't want to affect anyone else's ability to kite any where. so i think when i can eventually get back out on the water u will see a much more sensible kiter and im sorry i never meant any disrespect and would never forgive myself if i changed things for other people as well. Who are u space monkey?

I totally agree with what spacemonkey is saying- kiting is endangered in many places by people who don't have common sense, knowing your own ability and staying safe is part of promoting the sport in a positive light. I have had my fair share of bad experiences but feel that I have learned from them. We all love the adrenaline that this sport has to offer but kiting responsibly is one way to make sure we can continue to enjoy it. Too many rescues or incidents will have the possible effect of either the pfd rules being enforced or worse - further bans.

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Originally posted by airush geoff

I totally agree with what spacemonkey is saying- kiting is endangered in many places by people who don't have common sense, knowing your own ability and staying safe is part of promoting the sport in a positive light. I have had my fair share of bad experiences but feel that I have learned from them. We all love the adrenaline that this sport has to offer but kiting responsibly is one way to make sure we can continue to enjoy it. Too many rescues or incidents will have the possible effect of either the pfd rules being enforced or worse - further bans.

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you boy are totaly right no ur limits and know your spot!!

Havox,

www.dpi.wa.gov.au for more info...

Types of Lifejackets

There are three types of lifejackets or Personal Flotation Devices (PFDs):

PFD Type 1 (AS1512)
This type of lifejacket is required on all boats operating in unprotected waters and is your primary life support device if your boat sinks. They make it very easy to keep your head above water.

PFD Type 1 features a buoyancy collar and is designed to keep you in a safe floating position, i.e. with the body inclined back from the vertical, with nose and mouth clear of the water.

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A PFD Type 2 has less buoyancy than a PFD Type 1 and does not have a collar. It is easy to swim in and is designed for continuous wear during any aquatic activity. A PFD Type 2 is also known as a buoyancy vest.

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lifejackets keep you afloat, keep you warm and make you more visible to rescuers...

havox what kite size and kite year and model were you on?

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Originally posted by havox

you know what.. im sorry your right. I think I'm going at this thing the wrong way. i just realized what it means for me to have broken ribs. One i cant work.. i run my own business now im going to have to have a month off no income and still somehow have to pay rent. 2 i have a kid on the way .. a baby girl.. i got to stop just thinking of myself. And 3 i don't want to affect anyone else's ability to kite any where. so i think when i can eventually get back out on the water u will see a much more sensible kiter and im sorry i never meant any disrespect and would never forgive myself if i changed things for other people as well. Who are u space monkey?

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It doesn't matter who I am but I have seen you kite at point walter, have rescued your board several times and witnessed you put yourself in potentially sticky positions such as continuing to kite past the spit when you can't make it upwind and almost drifting into the marina. You seem accident prone, and theres a reason for it. I got no issues with pushing yourself, infact I encourage it.

Anyway I know your ability and your progressing fast which is good. How ever you still are pretty kooky when it comes to some things, like kite control and kite tuning especially for unhooked. Those things come with experience, got to learn to walk before you run. Go out when its gusty and overpowered doing big jumps before you got good kite control its a recipe for getting hurt. I've done it myself when I was a young lad, the accidental low loop. Winded myself but that is all.

I don't mean to rag on you and be all negative but your a pretty hazardous kiter. If honed your basics a bit more you would find those raileys you are trying a lot easier.

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nah bro like i said you were right i gotta tone it down a bit. spec at piont walter, and i dont mean tone down by not trying to unhook or kiteloop .. i guess i mean just pick the conditions a bit better and where abouts im positions so if things do f up im not going to float onto any incoming boats. give me a couple of weeks some good pain killers im sure ill be back out there :)

Mate you said it yourself - the most painful part of this experience is going to be no kiting for a month or more.

At least you are learning something.

The trick seems to be to go hard, get the adrenaline hit, AND walk away unscathed in order to kite the next day, and the next, and the next...etc.

Nobody's kiting technique improves while they are out injured.

get well soon and enjoy the new bub!

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Originally posted by Mr E

Sounds like you need a life jacket and some kiting lesson

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how could kiting lessons possibly help?

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Originally posted by Juddy

um, maybe, just maybe if you got some professional lessons mate, you might learn one of the key issues about kiting - learning how to read the weather/conditions & know your own limits/experience.

It might just be me thinking this - anyone else think the same? What would I know? Then again, my ribs aren't broken & I'm going to be on the water this w/end.

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i dont think thats really going to help. noone can tell you your limits except for you.. reading the weather wont really make any difference. the only thing thats going to help me is experience, i know the theory behind everything.. it just doesn't happen every time i try it

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Originally posted by LouD

How do you progress if you always kite within your own limits/experience/abilities?

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i agree dude. like i said before im not going to stop tyring unhooking, kitelooping anything .. i guess the only thing i got to watch for is the conditions and doing it in a place where if i do mess up then u can get back to shore no probs

yeh i did some thing simular to what you did havox i feel your pain yeh i did an f-16 hook'ed in the wind was 20-35 knots i has on my 7 and when i turned my kite back i when way to high and looped my kite then i diched my board i was coming down way too fast i hit the water and madly brused my ribs and brused my albow it hurt i spent 3 hours in hosptal

mitchell

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hahahahahaaha your a koooooook hahahahaaha

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wat do you mean kooooook i can do them unhooked and you can go WAY bigger hooked in