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CFL Foiler
CFL Foiler
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28 Aug 2026 2:53am
BWalnut said..
Few more sessions on the Orbit. Here's some running pros and cons:

Pros
-The upwind is extremely good, very fast with great angles.
- The cleat works, it's great at increasing power. I don't have as much trouble with backstalling as some people do, I think it's pretty easy to manage with water starts. Dramatic low end improvements with it.
- It's a monumental double skin breakthrough for ease of water start vs something like a Paia. It launches very easily.
- Draining the water out of it when swamped is easy and fast. Nothing to be intimidated about here.

Cons
- It's not very playful. This seems like an upwind machine that you should really pack away for long runs.
- The lines are psycho sharp. When the wind increases it's incredibly difficult to retract because of this. My first sessions came to an end because I couldn't retract it. I have to wear gloves when using it, which solves the issue. I have been told the newest shipments of these have updated lines, but they may need yet another update. (my order shows up soon and I'll report back on it then).
- So far, it doesn't feel like a top end specialist.

I've been riding in horribly gusty winds for most of this testing and I'd say that in those conditions, it might not be the best choice. However, when the wind is steady and you can trim it to the right spot, the performance gains are very obvious. After 4-5 sessions I think I would say I want 4-5 more sessions in good wind to fully evaluate it. So, if you're buying, give it at least 10 sessions before you start making up your mind on it. I'm starting to think that ordering the 3.5m was possibly the wrong size for me. I'm going to be a 2.7m Orbit guy.

I thought one of the major benefits of double skins was increased range to handle gusty conditions. Surprised that the Orbit is not the ideal use case


CFL Foiler
CFL Foiler
168 posts
168 posts
25 Aug 2026 9:36pm
I have yet to find footage of an AB doing a normal dw jibe 🤔
CFL Foiler
CFL Foiler
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168 posts
16 Aug 2026 9:12am
leepasty said..
I think it’s almost impossible to have a high aspect wing over 4m with lines you can do a 1 pull.
if you ride light winds it’s just something you get used to dealing with


BRM S3 figured it out
CFL Foiler
CFL Foiler
168 posts
168 posts
13 Aug 2026 7:18am
These have held up really well for me, zero rust. Longer wrench so easy to get extra leverage if needed to loosen a tough bolt. Personally don’t want a teacher or power tool that could wear out or cause damage. A simple wrench can be used to break loose and then spun between your fingers to loosen/tighten quickly.

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CFL Foiler
CFL Foiler
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168 posts
4 Aug 2026 11:26pm
BWalnut said..
When I first started out I never tried the ride til you fall method. There's value in that for sure, and there are other ways to progress. I always thought getting dialed on fully stowing, and then successfully redeploying my parawing every single time was more important to me. This taught me to lock that skill in while also learning to read the bumps for when I should redeploy. I think my longest was 3 hours 55 minutes and 50 miles with no falls. No way would I have had the energy to keep going if I was fighting with restarts at the end of every single one of my runs. Plus, I kinda feel like I normally would fall in the worst locations which means the restart would take even longer. I just did my little 3 mile downwind run, then 3 miles back upwind, over and over again.

As parawings have gotten better and my gear choices have changed I settle in with a different style on different days. Most recently I ride more like a winger. I'm using smaller foils and sessioning on a very tight zone of bumps. I often times go bananas letting my LTX canopy swing wild and free while I challenge my turns for a 60-120 second leg scorcher and then redeploy and repeat. It's like doing a HIIT workout and I definitely get my best turns doing this because I make zero effort to stow. The LTX is like a dance partner that I want to interact with. Other sails are not fun to have out and do best in a full stow. With those, ride til you drop or focusing on longer DW runs is definitely more of the vibe for the day.

All that to say, there's no wrong way to go about this. If you're having fun, then you're having fun.

The S3 has totally changed how I look at sessions too! These new pw designs have changed my outlook on the whole discipline. I now ride much more like a wing session with frequent redeploys. I just slash and burn and redeploy when the bumps flatten out and then zip back upwind to do it again.

It’s summer here too so the dw conditions really have not happened in awhile. But I have totally adjusted my outlook on pw sessions. I no longer feel the need to only do dw sends with the pw to only chase the aced run. I will still do that for sure but for now I am really digging working more on performance turns pushing that side of the pw game. What’s interesting is they feed off each other. Learning to turn hard and make the most of small bumps helps you read and connect easier when you go back to the larger foil.
CFL Foiler
CFL Foiler
168 posts
168 posts
4 Aug 2026 7:50pm
If you’re having fun then you’re doing it right. Sounds like tough conditions honestly. Make sure you match your foil to the bumps. Short period lake swell generally needs a larger foil. But honestly you look pretty good in those clips


As for pw technique I would say mix it up. It’s ok to redeploy often, one the benefits of a pw really so use it. You can even keep it up as training wheels while you figure out the bumps. When things are clicking go back to challenging yourself again and ride until you fall off foil.


I think it’s an easy trap that we can all fall into trying to ace runs vs just having fun out there. It’s not a paddle up so there is no reason avoid starting with a pw as it’s so easy to do.




CFL Foiler
CFL Foiler
168 posts
168 posts
31 Jul 2026 4:07am
Have never had an issue with deforming battens on any BRM pw and Greg has made a point of saying no special stow technique is required. That tracks with my experience. It’s honestly one of the reasons I stick with BRM, I don’t have to learn fancy words like constratina. 😂


My advice is to relax and enjoy your new pw. Stuff away and enjoy the carefree BRM pack away.