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19 Jun 2026 9:38am
Wanger.Issues said..
D Grip Bar (Shovel Handle) v. Straight Bar:

I am hoping that someone can give a better comparison than this since I don't yet have much time on my 3.4 and also...I'm not that good. I can't even tack yet (skateboard yes, but have not tried on the water yet). What motivated me to try the straight bar is how much I love flying one handed.

Straight bar pros:
- One handed flying (when on foil) was natural and comfy. I can put my hand right in the middle of the sweet spot.

Straight bar cons:
- In light wind it's hard to keep it out of the water when climbing on the board and getting to my feet and taxiing (compared to other parawings).

D grip bar pros:
- Awesome when powered up two handed unhooked
- Awesome when powered up one handed hooked in.
- The BRM harness line, the balance, the natural feel, all good.
- Improved wrist ergonomics, and not just when holding the padded part of the D. Also when holding the arms of the D. You get about 45 degrees less twist in your wrist when doing a downloop jibe, or a tack. (So far, I have only tacked on skateboard).
- Grabbing the far arm (over the top grip) (my friend calls it the puppet master grip) twists the bar and applies more tension on the upper A lines which seems to greatly improve light wind handling.

D grip bar cons:
- One handed flying. This was really annoying on day one, but as I adapt this seems to be getting closer to being equal but different. Time will tell.

Any tips on light wind handling would be appreciated. Like in a lull down to 8-10 mph. Pulling on the horizontal red line to get it to rise, and pulling on an outer A line to keep a tip from hitting the water are obvious...anything else?







Yeah pretty much agree with the cons. Toeside one handed doesn't really work with the D handle. Tacking is also a problem, for me at least, because I tack with my front hand. I'm now trying to learn with the back hand.
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21 May 2026 9:34am
Fatben said..
Several questions for owners of "The Jack" or for those who were lucky enough to test it:

- How does she behave in Wingfoil?
- What are the advantages and disadvantages compared to Breeze or Breeze + or Mid Length boards?

Thank you !!



I prefer it for wingfoiling over my DC mid length - the midlength is narrower and longer and more unstable in choppy, windy conditions getting to my feet. The Smik is 4" shorter and 2" wider than the DC but the extra volume and width at the nose makes it much easier to pump up onto foil in lighter conditions. The DC I just use as a dedicated foildrive board now.
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14 May 2026 9:18am
CH3MTR4IL5 said..

hilly said..










Interesting, mine's even closer to the tail, it's 240mm for same measurement. Can you measure the top to the edge of the deck grip?


Mine is 300mm (tracks) and 270mm (rear of deck pad to back of the board)
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13 May 2026 9:20am
CH3MTR4IL5 said..


hilly said..



CH3MTR4IL5 said..




eppo said..
yeh when i rode it was near the middle - could have gone back a smidge. I know someone who has one and has it about middle - armie riders. Each to their own i suppose. It does have some front foot pressure lift but that's a function of the flat mast box - whilst armie boards have built in rocker. Chemtrails you tried a mast shim - that's what JL used on his. and it could be more sensitive on that 5'4






If i had mine in the middle of the track my rear foot would be on top of my stab. It is just not in the right place on mine.





You got a photo of it. If it is a factory error Scotty may replace it.










This is the front and back of the track, the black lines are where foot would be in footstrap.





Front and back of the box
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7 May 2026 4:47pm
I've got a 65L custom which has just returned from 5 weeks in Maui. I paid full price and even so it is half the price of a KT, a relative bargain. I winged and PW'ed it and it is super easy to pump up onto foil.
The dimensions are 5'4 * 21", I've tried skinnier and longer mid-lengths but I prefer this shorter, slightly wider option for stability prior to getting up on foil. I also have the tint resin and after using it daily for 5 weeks, plus air travel, it doesn't have a scratch on it so pretty happy with the durability.

My boxes are also in the wrong position for GoFoil but for other brands I think they would mount dead centre. My foil mounts within an inch of the back of the box.

The only other slight negative is the centre mount rear footstrap plugs. I did specify offset and parallel to the centre line but they're right on the centre line so basically unusable. Front plugs are spot on.