Bic Veloce 278, any good?

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dism
dism
NSW
660 posts
NSW, 660 posts
17 Mar 2008 1:03pm
Looking to purchase a real cheap ~100L board, so i can nail shortboard technique without ruining a nice board

Looking at this: Bic Veloce 278

Length: 2,78 m
Width: 0.57 m
Weight: 7.7 kg
VOlume: 101 l
Fin: 31 cm
Program: freeride MW
Technology: Thermo
Age: 97/00

Anyone owned one? Anyone know if this board is any good, hoping to keep it in the quiver (not advertised on Seabreeze, so no conflict of interests here)

Thanks
hardie
hardie
WA
4133 posts
WA, 4133 posts
17 Mar 2008 11:32am
I rode one ages ago, but can't remember exactly what it was like, if you were paying $100 or less, wouldn't be worth any more I'd say as I've tried to sell similar vintage baords, then you won't lose too much. I'd say it'd be adequate, but obviously more modern boards are more user friendly for beginners. Once you are expert then you can get most out of any board and the older style boards have good to excellent performnce.
divaldo
divaldo
SA
2879 posts
SA, 2879 posts
17 Mar 2008 1:09pm
I have a Bic Vivace, I pretty much learned to sail on this board, quite quick, hard rails so you feel all chop, I found it hard to turn, so good in a straight line, my deck became very slippery.....
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
17 Mar 2008 12:56pm
I don't think you can go wrong there given the price. I haven't owned a veloce but owned various vivace's over the years (some veloce's were beefed up vivace's). From what I remember of the reviews- flatwater biased freeride, top points for gybing, a decent turn of speed but acceleration suffered slightly due to the bit higher weight.

Trimbox fins are getting a bit hard to find now. Post '97 Bic fins weren't too bad, before that they were garbage. If you can find any of the Torquay fins still around they suit these boards well.

Vs the newer boards you loose in wind range, and upwind ability but for getting the technique up to scratch it should be perfect in 15-25knot range.

Weak points on these boards was only ever the footstrap inserts, they often crack but I haven't had any leak.
Haggar
Haggar
QLD
1670 posts
QLD, 1670 posts
17 Mar 2008 2:16pm
The Vivace's were more slalom and the Veloce's were more freeride. The veloce's had good reviews at the time as an easy ride, and they are tough. OK to learn on then get soething better. Yes check the deck grip, I had a vivace and the grip was woeful.
dism
dism
NSW
660 posts
NSW, 660 posts
17 Mar 2008 3:40pm
Hey thanks for the tips everyone, appreciated, any more?

Yeah, looking for a flatwater blaster that i can do turns on
My weight 70kg
Currently have old custom ~120L, using mainly 6.5m cammed sails, so looking to have little less floaty (but still safety uphaul) and hopefully faster board, and extended board quiver
Waiting4wind
Waiting4wind
NSW
1871 posts
NSW, 1871 posts
18 Mar 2008 12:31am
The Veloce was a good intermediate board, not exciting but easy to use and reliable. Quite tough except for the non slip.
Ian K
Ian K
WA
4170 posts
WA, 4170 posts
17 Mar 2008 11:04pm
Owned one for about 4 yrs. Got rid of it at the stage when I figured a more modern board would surely be better?? Took it to Fiji once where the safari leader, who'd sailed a lot more boards, far more proficiently than I, pronounced it " The best gybing board ever" I wouldn't disagree, but the non-skid does go off cutting short many potentially ripping gybes.

I think those bics were underrated, the Techno/Tiga 273 was also a beauty with a bit extra width. To my eye, judging by my same trusty old straight edge, apart from overall length the bottom shapes of freeride boards have been stable since 1997.
goodbrewster
goodbrewster
55 posts
55 posts
17 Mar 2008 11:28pm
Windsurfing Magazine runs an article in their April '08 issue by a couple in California who own a rig rental service and claim to put in 300 days a year on the water. They claim that these older boards in this catagory are the best ones for high winds and chop. According to them, the newer designs aren't as good.
mkseven
mkseven
QLD
2315 posts
QLD, 2315 posts
18 Mar 2008 1:29am
goodbrewster said...

Windsurfing Magazine runs an article in their April '08 issue by a couple in California who own a rig rental service and claim to put in 300 days a year on the water. They claim that these older boards in this catagory are the best ones for high winds and chop. According to them, the newer designs aren't as good.


True and not so true.

Newer designs have a few things working against them-
1. Lighter weights bounce around alot more.
2. Width, a comparable volume board now days would be up around 65cm.
3. Shorter lengths can result in more abrupt rocker transitions which make the ride a bit jarry through the chop, most shapers have this sorted now or are going to slightly longer lengths again.

Working for them though is-
1. Softer rails, since the boards are wider they have better grip so the rails can be softened for comparable upwind.
2. Light weight and a good rocker skims over the top of the chop only hitting every 3rd lump instead of each one.
3. Better bottom shapes. The 90's was the dead flat bottom generation, freeride boards now have quite generous concaves etc resulting in softer ride.
4. Less length the the wind/chop to catch.
5. Most boards now have much wider stance than older boards.
6. More intelligent designing- dual density pads, easier stances etc.
7. More stable platform for turns.

There is no disputing that a narrow board is great through the chop, and some weight is good when the wind is there but the conditions have to be more consistent otherwise you would easy have a better time on newer designs.
goodbrewster
goodbrewster
55 posts
55 posts
18 Mar 2008 1:58am
You won't find much of an argument here, but I brought up the article since it was relevant to the topic. Personally in that size, I own two boards from the early 90's. These people mention a Hi-Tech as the best of the old style. I own a glass custom made Hi-Tech, but not the model they mention. They were suggesting that the board shapers not abandon these old shapes. I find that there exists such a difference in technique (stance, etc.) required for the old vs. new boards that it takes a few reaches for me to re-allign myself and change back to my forgotten ways when I take out the old board. More importantly, the Mag ran this article in the same issue that they put out their reviews for the new boards in the 100 to 120 liter class. Given the prices listed, I must say that you would do much better suffering the negative side of the older boards than you will that of the newer.
oneupp
oneupp
24 posts
24 posts
18 Mar 2008 6:44am
goodbrewster said...

...re-allign myself and change back to my forgotten ways....


Don't change, don't realign, big guy. Instead, raise a Good Brew to yourself and say, "Happy Birthday, Brucie!"

58 today? Really?

dism
dism
NSW
660 posts
NSW, 660 posts
18 Mar 2008 12:18pm
Damn it, missed out on the board

Now from the above comments I really want one

Or a Bic Techno, Fanatic Bee, Mistral Screamer, (trying to steer clear of AHD heard to many breakage/faults in their boards) along those lines

Cheap, ~100L, freeride, fast, turny, not too heavy but strong deck

Anyone have one for sale, good condition? (There are some in the ads on this site, but without photos, who knows what they're like, and i'll have to do a bit of a mission to get to board selling places like Syd or Bris)
Haggar
Haggar
QLD
1670 posts
QLD, 1670 posts
18 Mar 2008 2:07pm
Add F2 Axxis to the list, I still have mine and its gr8
Koosie
Koosie
34 posts
34 posts
18 Mar 2008 1:14pm
DISM - what state are you based in ?
I know of an old f2 ride sitting in a lock up in Sydney...
barn
barn
WA
2960 posts
WA, 2960 posts
18 Mar 2008 6:06pm
i learnt to sail on one, thast was along time ago when i was 14, wouldnt sail one now thought even if it was free, id get a 2nd job at maccas and save up...
dism
dism
NSW
660 posts
NSW, 660 posts
18 Mar 2008 10:10pm
Koosie - I'm in NSW, halfway between Sydney and Brisbane. Always a mission for gear

I'll have to look into this F2 Axxis
Any others along these lines?

Barn - I understand its easier to learn (shortboard) on new wide stuff, but im a uni student, i'm not sure about egg shaped boards and rather save up for when I won't trash something worth saving for. That said, i'm compiling a list of my future boards too, they'll have to wait but till the elusive carve gybe et al. is mastered
Arlo
Arlo
SA
139 posts
SA, 139 posts
18 Mar 2008 10:00pm
dism said...

Or a Bic Techno, Fanatic Bee, Mistral Screamer, (trying to steer clear of AHD heard to many breakage/faults in their boards) along those lines


I'd definitely recommend a Mistral Screamer II or III; they are ridiculously easy and comfortable boards to sail. As for the Axxis I have only tried one once and it scared me sh!tless as it wouldn't stop accelerating and I was fairly new to that size board. Saying that, I'm actually quite keen to try one again and if it is as fast as I remember I might pick one up if I can get one cheap enough.
easty
easty
TAS
2213 posts
TAS, 2213 posts
18 Mar 2008 10:35pm
That said, i'm compiling a list of my future boards too, they'll have to wait but till the elusive carve gybe et al. is mastered


You'll master the elusive carve gybe a lot faster on a board wider than 57cm. But if you're still at uni you're obviously still at the age when your body learns stuff like that faster, and if you can learn to gybe a board like that you'll be set up to gybe any modern you might buy later. Good luck



Haggar
Haggar
QLD
1670 posts
QLD, 1670 posts
18 Mar 2008 9:44pm
Don't forget that the models can vary a lot bewteen years and sizes, example, here is a review page for some older boards including the Axxis. I've got the 267 and for the time, the reviews given are on the money.

www.codemaker.co.uk/ww/reviews.htm
dism
dism
NSW
660 posts
NSW, 660 posts
18 Mar 2008 10:59pm
Yeah, I was just reading that Hagar, then looking at pics of them, nice looking board

There seems to be a few boards of that era that follow that shape

Now I need to source one and get a 6.5 to replace my blownout one (finally the gaff taps old NP blew out the back, no more joined leach)

Looking on buy/sell, a couple of Axxis's, but low volumes
Would a ~90L be too much of a jump from a ~120L thick custom (fat 8'6' surfboard?)

Easty - yeah hopefully I should get the carve gybe soon, thinking the main issue is constant wind, where I sail (Bellinger River) its gusty as. Most of my bails is from overcommiting to the harness in gust and not bouncing out quick enough. Gybing on the plane is difficult
easty
easty
TAS
2213 posts
TAS, 2213 posts
18 Mar 2008 11:18pm


Looking on buy/sell, a couple of Axxis's, but low volumes
Would a ~90L be too much of a jump from a ~120L thick custom (fat 8'6' surfboard?)

Easty - yeah hopefully I should get the carve gybe soon, thinking the main issue is constant wind, where I sail (Bellinger River) its gusty as. Most of my bails is from overcommiting to the harness in gust and not bouncing out quick enough. Gybing on the plane is difficult


- I went from 120L to 90L (I'm 75Kg) - I could gybe the 120L well, but then it took me a few years to get the hang of gybing the 90L (59cm width). But I'm old and learn slow. (Well compared to you anyway )

- Once you learn to gybe a shortboard you'll realise speed is your friend - the faster you're going the more stability you have - I still can't gybe my 90L if I'm not planing - but there again I rarely practise it, as it's usually windy enough for me to plane if I go sailing.

goodbrewster
goodbrewster
55 posts
55 posts
18 Mar 2008 9:57pm
The article I mentioned in Windsurfing can be found on p.30 in their leading edge section under the title of tweaked. The authors are John and Janet Crews. Here's a quote >>We're talking about boards in the ranges of 260-265 cm in length and 53.5-55 cm in width. There boards have better top-end speeds (read: higher jumps) and a much smoother ride thr0ugh chop; they plane up just as quickly in higher winds and rip high-speed carves and bottom turns better than any short, wide board could ever dream of. They are much better at carrying speed through jibes and tacks, making it easier and more fun to learn and perfect these skills. << The board they praise would be the Hi-Tech blaster. It's my opinion, though, that the nuances of board differences from that era and today aren't all that dramatic. Futhermore, there remains a difficulty if you have to change your sailing style from one to the other. My Hi-tech was still bouncy in chop. Since we don't often enjoy the kind of high winds that would require me to use it, I didn't like changing my style (which takes a few reaches) when faced with them. Whatever, I have a 278 Mistal Energy which may be included in the class of boards you are considering.
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
19 Mar 2008 12:20pm
Koosie said...

DISM - what state are you based in ?
I know of an old f2 ride sitting in a lock up in Sydney...



What size is it and is it available for sale? I am looking for a smaller fast board. Though the F2 Axxis sounds just right for me and the Ride might be too big as I have a Tabou 140.

Edit: I note Wind Surf and Snow have a few Axxises for sale for around $250. They have a couple of 268s and a 258. Any thoughts on these boards?






NSW, 1613 posts
19 Mar 2008 2:30pm
Take them for a spin in Friday's southerly see what you think.
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