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southace
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16 Dec 2012 11:48am
Respect to all the family's that lost there children.....but with the gun law in America these slaughters we continue to happen.

I would bet that guy would have spent hours playing computer shooting games.

300 million private weapons in circulation in USA.

Thank good our laws are strict on gun laws!
FlySurfer
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16 Dec 2012 12:44pm
Has little to do with the guns, and everything to do with the culture.
dan berry
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16 Dec 2012 9:50am
Exactly......gun culture. Check the international homicide by firearms stats from last year. Pretty hard to argue.
southace
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16 Dec 2012 12:34pm
Well it wouldn't of happened if there wasn't a gun.......
Akwa
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16 Dec 2012 10:10am
Even though it might be their culture they should still regulate it a lot better!

Their argument 99% of the time is; "I need a gun to protect myself"
Well I feel just fine and safe without a gun. Maybe you don't feel safe because everyone else has a freaking gun?

It is true what Dan Berry says. The stats totally show that guns in the USA make for countless murders and not to mention armed robberies.

With less than 5% of the world's population, the United States is home to roughly 35–50 per cent of the world's civilian-owned guns, heavily skewing the global geography of firearms and any relative comparison
tmurray
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16 Dec 2012 10:24am
In China someone else went off the deep end and INJURED 30 or so children with a knife on the same day.

That is the difference that easy access to guns make.
pierrec45
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16 Dec 2012 1:48pm
Was on the phone with the US for work - Dallas of all places. Inevitably the topic came up.

They were saying that many of the radio callers were for... equiping schools with guns for teachers to fight back (?). That there should be more guns to fight people with guns, not fewer. And so on.

Crazy, but am not altogether surprised...
dan berry
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16 Dec 2012 11:28am
Maybe they should just arm the kiddies, them they'll be safe at school. The stupidity is mind boggling
myusernam
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16 Dec 2012 2:23pm
yeah they argue that there should be more guns so people can defend themselves..
Wouldn't have done kindergarten kids any good would it.

Second term obama should have a go
ockanui
ockanui
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16 Dec 2012 3:23pm
yes it seems like a massive cycle, the call, "guns don't kill people" cry together with over 300 million guns in private ownership brings a living in fear scenario in the greatest free nations of the world?, I don't get it? ...I feel its just been a massively successful marketing campaign by the gun lobby and manufacturers to sell their product and increase returns for the share holders... If indeed the figures are correct about gun ownership in the USA, then why are people so shocked at the latest tragic shooting? The response in the board rooms of the manufacturers will be a step up the marketing of "defending oneself" and quietly they will be thinking that the victims are just "collateral damage" of liberal gun laws and a chance to increase sales...
T 11
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16 Dec 2012 4:57pm


GypsyDrifter
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16 Dec 2012 6:27pm
They have stated they want to teach the teachers combat skills for these situations
dan berry
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16 Dec 2012 6:48pm
Ahhhhh " the land of [}:)]the free"
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16 Dec 2012 7:01pm
GypsyDrifter said...
They have stated they want to teach the teachers combat skills for these situations


it worked pretty well in Israel, they had a mass killing in a school committed by PLO(?) terrorists in 1974, so they issued 9mm handguns to trained teachers and parents.
I am pretty sure nothing of that scale has happened there since

not ideal- but one solution.



slammin
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16 Dec 2012 10:09pm
GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE!! It's the fuggin bullets. Just stop selling bullets. Eventually the bullets will be so expensive it will cost too much to kill someone. That way they can still have their 2nd right :the right to bare arms blah blahdy blah. Nowhere in their constitution does it say they have to sell bullets. Big ups to Chris Rock.
Gorgo
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17 Dec 2012 10:38am
Proposed standard equipment for American primary school teachers



School uniform
kiterboy
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17 Dec 2012 9:01am
Ah the ole outcry against guns every time.

Predictable.

It's not the guns, it's the crazies; why did the mum of this guy even have two semi auto pistols?
And have them in easy acces of her f*kd up kid with aspergers?

Anyway, about the gun thing...

Did you all miss the incident in China where another crazy killed 20 odd kids at a school, with a KNIFE?

Perhaps we should ban knives too?
southace
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17 Dec 2012 11:36am
What I don't understand is why they need automatic weapons? If they like shooting for sport wouldn't it be more of a sport to shoot a target with one shot? Automatic weapons to my understanding are for people that are rather a bad shot.....or want multiple kills?
doggie
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17 Dec 2012 9:21am
kiterboy said...
Ah the ole outcry against guns every time.

Predictable.

It's not the guns, it's the crazies; why did the mum of this guy even have two semi auto pistols?
And have them in easy acces of her f*kd up kid with aspergers?

Anyway, about the gun thing...

Did you all miss the incident in China where another crazy killed 20 odd kids at a school, with a KNIFE?

Perhaps we should ban knives too?


Do you think if there was a gun available he would have used one? And if he did get a gun how many more people do you think he would have killed? If he could have gotten an automatic gun how many more would have died?
wave knave
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17 Dec 2012 9:25am
kiterboy said...
Ah the ole outcry against guns every time.

Predictable.

It's not the guns, it's the crazies; why did the mum of this guy even have two semi auto pistols?
And have them in easy acces of her f*kd up kid with aspergers?

Anyway, about the gun thing...

Did you all miss the incident in China where another crazy killed 20 odd kids at a school, with a KNIFE?

Perhaps we should ban knives too?



injured 22, not killed. theres a difference.

read the news.
Gorgo
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17 Dec 2012 12:44pm
kiterboy said...
...
It's not the guns, it's the crazies; why did the mum of this guy even have two semi auto pistols?
And have them in easy acces of her f*kd up kid with aspergers?
...


Exactly right. It's the crazies ... with guns. and why have them in easy acces of her f*kd up kid with aspergers Americans?
evlPanda
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17 Dec 2012 12:46pm
FlySurfer said...
Has little to do with the guns, and everything to do with the culture.


Oh yeah, like guns aren't part of the American culture. Nope. Definitely not. There is absolutely no connection with this shooting and guns. What do guns have to do with a shooting??? It's the culture, and there are also no guns in American culture. Guns have nothing to do with a shooting nor American culture.
kiterboy
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17 Dec 2012 9:51am
Well that's alright then, injured not killed.

There's no underlying problem to be addressed then, as long as there are no guns, the crazies can continue to be ignored.


(and my mistake, I had heard they were killed in that China incident)
evlPanda
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17 Dec 2012 12:51pm
^ ...what the? Who said the crazies can be ignored? Ever?
People are just saying they should have less access to weapons. Weapons that nobody needs. That's all. Seem sensible to you?
kiterboy
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17 Dec 2012 9:53am
evlPanda said...
^ ...what the? Who said the crazies can be ignored? Ever?


That's exactly what's happening, the emphasis is being put on the guns, not the crazies.
It's pretty clear that many people think that if there were no guns around, the crazies wouldn't be hurting/killing people.
evlPanda
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17 Dec 2012 12:55pm
Oh... so we'll just fix the crazies? How do you propose that? How long will that take?
In the meantime give them guns.
kiterboy
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17 Dec 2012 10:12am
evlPanda said...
Oh... so we'll just fix the crazies? How do you propose that? How long will that take?
In the meantime give them guns.


Yeah sure give everyone guns, that's what I say, you really interpreted that correctly.

It's obviously too hard for you to understand that the bigger underlying social/health issues is the thing to fix.

But you prefer a bandaid solution, cause it gives you a token quantification of the problem.

If you're going to take away the guns to 'fix' the crazies problem, then take away all the knives, forks and spoons, sticks and stones too.
Gorgo
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17 Dec 2012 1:27pm
What a moronic argument. Crazies running around with spoons is only a risk to the crazy and possibly bowls of soup.

Are you suggesting that the US has more crazies than the rest of the world? Isn't that a reason to take all guns away from them?

India and China and Russia all have populations far greater than the US and presumably far more crazy people but their incidence of gun related crime is far less.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/15/what-makes-americas-gun-culture-totally-unique-in-the-world-as-demonstrated-in-four-charts/
kiterboy
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17 Dec 2012 10:37am
Gorgo said...
What a moronic argument. Crazies running around with spoons is only a risk to the crazy and possibly bowls of soup.

Are you suggesting that the US has more crazies than the rest of the world? Isn't that a reason to take all guns away from them?

India and China and Russia all have populations far greater than the US and presumably far more crazy people but their incidence of gun related crime is far less.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/12/15/what-makes-americas-gun-culture-totally-unique-in-the-world-as-demonstrated-in-four-charts/


The moronic argument is taking the spoons comment literally.
And again totally missing the point.
evlPanda
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17 Dec 2012 1:55pm
The point is the world would be safer with less guns.

There are many other things that would make the world a safer place too, but they don't fall under the category of "gun control".
evlPanda
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17 Dec 2012 1:59pm
kiterboy said...
evlPanda said...
Oh... so we'll just fix the crazies? How do you propose that? How long will that take?
In the meantime give them guns.


Yeah sure give everyone guns, that's what I say, you really interpreted that correctly.

It's obviously too hard for you to understand that the bigger underlying social/health issues is the thing to fix.

But you prefer a bandaid solution, cause it gives you a token quantification of the problem.

If you're going to take away the guns to 'fix' the crazies problem, then take away all the knives, forks and spoons, sticks and stones too.



You can have gun control *and* mental health, social issues looked at too, like they are being looked at.

All people are doing is offering a very simple solution that will have an immediate effect. Even just one less gun would have an immediate effect, minor as it may be.

I don't see any suggestions for solving the mental health issue, culture issue et al being bandied around. None. Because nobody really knows the underlying cause.
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