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Any point voting?

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Created by cauncy A week ago, 16 May 2019
cauncy
WA, 7153 posts
16 May 2019 6:43PM
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Is anyone going to make a difference, in 35 years I can honestly say I've never seen a decent change to my lifestyle whoever gets in, this also has been in the 7 different countries I've lived in,
Now it'd be nice to wake up in the morning without the constant thought and drive to make ends meet, you know the days when it didn't matter too much if you had s week or 2 off with your kids and wife , I'll happily pay the non voting fine, as I'm sick to f# cking death of this bull**** promises from c# nts that have no perception of what it's like to live in a modern day Australia,

log man
VIC, 6649 posts
16 May 2019 9:01PM
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cauncy said..
Is anyone going to make a difference, in 35 years I can honestly say I've never seen a decent change to my lifestyle whoever gets in, this also has been in the 7 different countries I've lived in,
Now it'd be nice to wake up in the morning without the constant thought and drive to make ends meet, you know the days when it didn't matter too much if you had s week or 2 off with your kids and wife , I'll happily pay the non voting fine, as I'm sick to f# cking death of this bull**** promises from c# nts that have no perception of what it's like to live in a modern day Australia,


Mate, ALL those things you take for granted......like weekends, award wages, medicare etc are built by governments.......labor governments.

If you can't see that , thats hardly the fault of politicians.

cauncy
WA, 7153 posts
16 May 2019 7:10PM
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cauncy said..
Is anyone going to make a difference, in 35 years I can honestly say I've never seen a decent change to my lifestyle whoever gets in, this also has been in the 7 different countries I've lived in,
Now it'd be nice to wake up in the morning without the constant thought and drive to make ends meet, you know the days when it didn't matter too much if you had s week or 2 off with your kids and wife , I'll happily pay the non voting fine, as I'm sick to f# cking death of this bull**** promises from c# nts that have no perception of what it's like to live in a modern day Australia,




Mate, ALL those things you take for granted......like weekends, award wages, medicare etc are built by governments.......labor governments.

If you can't see that , thats hardly the fault of politicians.



Weekends, not had one off for 4 years, Award wages , I know all about that inc paying staff super etc etc, Medicare
a nero surgeon told me I'd have to pay him $35,000 to fix up my lower spine or $10,000 if I joined hbf for $12 mths ,
yeh labour a good name

cauncy
WA, 7153 posts
16 May 2019 7:31PM
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Markmyword said..
I think our government no matter what side essentially are doing the best they can. We listen to the media and get convinced that our lives are worhtless and everything is going to ****. Having lived overseas myself for a time I am convinced that Australian don't know how good we have it. Of course politicians will be politicians and inevitibly they need to tell people what they want to here in able to be voted in.

Voting is the most important right we have as a free country. Naturally you can choose to not vote if you want. But with that you forfeit your choice to whinge about how the country is running. You could also move to another country that has dictators or a communist governments if you like. That way you won't be allowed to complain and thus if you can't complain then everything must be great!




What, the best they can, they wouldn't know the price of a pint of milk a litre of fuel or a loaf, get ****** real , your correct on the Australians don't know how good they've got it , ive been and lived in shidt holes, however we shouldn't be under constant pressure that's been brought upon us through the govt imposed regulations, just because where we live (which tie in with banks etc),we have some of the biggest mental health issues per head of capital , we're not designed to be under such constant life pressures

cauncy
WA, 7153 posts
16 May 2019 7:46PM
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Markmyword said..
If you are that ignorant to believe what you just said then please do us all a favour and don't vote.


I'll guarantee , whoever you vote for you'll see f# ck all difference , how do you earn a crust, honestly curiouse
cheers

cauncy
WA, 7153 posts
16 May 2019 8:05PM
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Markmyword said..
Boilermaker


I'm a chippy builder by trade,
now own cafes 4 years, do you not find we work too much and living costs are out of control, I have a small mortgage , live a non exstravagant lifestyle, but always seem to be under a financial cloud, no doubt my lifestyle has declined in the 13 / 14 years ,

log man
VIC, 6649 posts
16 May 2019 10:53PM
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geez this is all about you isn't it mate.

Pugwash
WA, 6046 posts
16 May 2019 10:18PM
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log man said..
geez this is all about you isn't it mate.


Do you think he should just give everything he earns to an all powerful central government to distribute how it sees fit?

Well, you'll have to wait until after Saturday to fulfil that dream...

theDoctor
NSW, 4736 posts
17 May 2019 5:37AM
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bhp took more than $14billion in profits from Australia in the last 12 months.
From pit to port iron ore costs A$22 per ton
Current ore price is what US$60 per ton..?
They are currently hiring construction plumbers and sparkies through an agency which is offering $40.33p/h
9yrs ago the hourly rate was well over $50....
Brain dead mouth breathing news corp zombies will tell you it has to be that way cause the boom is over...

bhp are making more money than ever, yet the wages they pay are getting cut further and further
And we're all to stockholm syndromed to do anything about it.

We even blame the unions for it.
Cauncy, the only reason people have enough money to buy your $15 avocado on toast is cause of unions.

Crusoe
QLD, 865 posts
17 May 2019 5:53AM
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It seems most voters are just greedy. They vote for the politician who promised to give them the most beans from the jar and don't give a flying fuc% where the beans come from. Politicians rely on this to get voted into office and run their election campaigns bases on what will give them the most votes for dollars spent.

Running a country is like running a business. Bowering money just to give it away is not good business. Having an ever increasing debt is not good business. Spending money you don't have is not good business. Having too many people in the upper management of a business and not enough workers on the floor generating income is not good business.

The government makes no money from taxing government workers as it provided the money in the first place. It makes money from private companies and small business operators. So you would think that instead of trying to fuc% them over every way they can, they would be trying to encourage private business growth.

The thing about politicians is they are never actually going to be held accountable for how big a fuc%up the make of managing the economy. They just get a big fat pension when they retire or get voted out. They have nothing to loose. It just people on the front line who lose their house, jobs and families because they vote for more beans from the jag instead of thinking what is best for Australia (as a business) so that we all get a fair share.

Adriano
10886 posts
17 May 2019 5:11AM
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log man said..If you can't see that , thats hardly the fault of politicians.

cauncy said..
Is anyone going to make a difference, in 35 years I can honestly say I've never seen a decent change to my lifestyle whoever gets in, this also has been in the 7 different countries I've lived in,
Now it'd be nice to wake up in the morning without the constant thought and drive to make ends meet, you know the days when it didn't matter too much if you had s week or 2 off with your kids and wife , I'll happily pay the non voting fine, as I'm sick to f# cking death of this bull**** promises from c# nts that have no perception of what it's like to live in a modern day Australia,

Mate, ALL those things you take for granted......like weekends, award wages, medicare etc are built by governments.......labor governments.

Many people sleep walk through life thinking that human rights or worker's rights or a strong resilient economy just lands in front of them or falls from the sky as an Act Of God.

The key to choosing who to vote for is distinguishing who pays lip service to proper economic management as an election slogan (the LNP) and those who actually understand economic management because they practically designed the economic framework we currently live within (the Labor Party).

Or vote for a good independent.

Rupert
TAS, 2334 posts
17 May 2019 8:39AM
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I vote for the local candidate (left/right or moderate independent) that (on the surface at least) appears to place importance on local issues rather than the "party line", I don't vote based on who is the 'grand pooh bah' of the party, both the majors are seriously lacking on that point.
One thing I do make sure of though is that my local 'Loopy Greens' candidate gets my last or no preference, don't forget 'two dads' Sarah Hanson-Young got in with <4% of the primary vote.
Or, you could just vote for the clown that you dislike the least as seems to be the norm nowadays with the present bunch of politicians.

psychojoe
WA, 453 posts
17 May 2019 8:01AM
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I think this video explains how to vote pretty nicely

JulianRoss
WA, 390 posts
17 May 2019 8:55AM
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I went to vote the other day.
The senate ticket included the following parties:
The pirate party
Fraser anning party
The anti vaccine party
the great australia party
one nation
palmer party
christain democrats
wa party
I think i had to number one to 8. after putting numbers one and two, I gave up.
The proliferation of these moron pandering organisations will be the undoing of a democracy.

Foghorn
WA, 129 posts
17 May 2019 9:30AM
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You forgot the greens on that list.

quikdrawMcgraw
1061 posts
17 May 2019 9:31AM
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And the hemp party

shi thouse
WA, 763 posts
17 May 2019 10:07AM
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theDoctor said..

bhp took more than $14billion in profits from Australia in the last 12 months.
From pit to port iron ore costs A$22 per ton
Current ore price is what US$60 per ton..?
They are currently hiring construction plumbers and sparkies through an agency which is offering $40.33p/h
9yrs ago the hourly rate was well over $50....
Brain dead mouth breathing news corp zombies will tell you it has to be that way cause the boom is over...

bhp are making more money than ever, yet the wages they pay are getting cut further and further
And we're all to stockholm syndromed to do anything about it.

We even blame the unions for it.
Cauncy, the only reason people have enough money to buy your $15 avocado on toast is cause of unions.



...all the above plus have a look at the minuscule amount of company tax BHP paid last year. Most of their "expenses" go to their US parent company.

Mr Milk
NSW, 1508 posts
17 May 2019 12:26PM
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JulianRoss said..
I went to vote the other day.
The senate ticket included the following parties:
The pirate party
Fraser anning party
The anti vaccine party
the great australia party
one nation
palmer party
christain democrats
wa party
I think i had to number one to 8. after putting numbers one and two, I gave up.
The proliferation of these moron pandering organisations will be the undoing of a democracy.


There are 2 ways to vote for the Senate.
Above the line, number 1 to 6 or more
Below the line 1 to 12 or more.
If you don't want your preferences to go to minor parties, vote below the line, numbering your preferred party candidates 1 to 6 and then go to your next best party 7 to 12.
I'm pretty sure that if you vote above the line, the count goes that way anyway. The computer interprets 1 above the line as 1 to 6 for that group of candidates, 2 as 7 to 12, 3 as 13 t0 18 and so on.

nebbian
WA, 6164 posts
17 May 2019 10:33AM
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Mr Milk said..


If you don't want your preferences to go to minor parties, vote below the line, numbering your preferred party candidates 1 to 6 and then go to your next best party 7 to 12.
I'm pretty sure that if you vote above the line, the count goes that way anyway. The computer interprets 1 above the line as 1 to 6 for that group of candidates, 2 as 7 to 12, 3 as 13 t0 18 and so on.


Your preferences are your own (unless you follow a "how to vote" card). Voting above the line won't shift your preferences to any party you don't explicitly choose. This change was made a few years ago, to try to limit the damage that preference deals caused (people being elected to the senate on just a handful of primary votes).

The second line is correct.

Adriano
10886 posts
17 May 2019 10:34AM
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log man said..
geez this is all about you isn't it mate.

Typical conservative/swinging voter:

me me me me me me me me

JulianRoss
WA, 390 posts
17 May 2019 10:53AM
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Mr Milk said..

JulianRoss said..
I went to vote the other day.
The senate ticket included the following parties:
The pirate party
Fraser anning party
The anti vaccine party
the great australia party
one nation
palmer party
christain democrats
wa party
I think i had to number one to 8. after putting numbers one and two, I gave up.
The proliferation of these moron pandering organisations will be the undoing of a democracy.



There are 2 ways to vote for the Senate.
Above the line, number 1 to 6 or more
Below the line 1 to 12 or more.
If you don't want your preferences to go to minor parties, vote below the line, numbering your preferred party candidates 1 to 6 and then go to your next best party 7 to 12.
I'm pretty sure that if you vote above the line, the count goes that way anyway. The computer interprets 1 above the line as 1 to 6 for that group of candidates, 2 as 7 to 12, 3 as 13 t0 18 and so on.


yeah I get that, my point is that there is a proliferation of one theme parties that will potentially hold the balance of power and decide the outcome of legislation that they will have no understanding of..... can you imagine needing an anti-vaxer to pass legislation on a health reform such as cancer care or funding for autistic services. they will want vaccination taken out of the equation in their deluded belief that it causes autism, therefore the funding wouldn't be required. That is when democracy breaks down.

Mr Milk
NSW, 1508 posts
17 May 2019 1:16PM
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Nutter anti vaxxers won't carry too much weight in Parliament, but if I read your first post correctly, you voted informal to avoid voting for nutcases

JulianRoss
WA, 390 posts
17 May 2019 11:20AM
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Mr Milk said..
Nutter anti vaxxers won't carry too much weight in Parliament, but if I read your first post correctly, you voted informal to avoid voting for nutcases


Yeah, protest vote that no one will listen to.
the shooters party are part of the cross bench, they are fringe at best, and I think Fraser anning had a minuscule primary vote, but also gets to push his nuttery in the senate

novetti
WA, 281 posts
17 May 2019 12:15PM
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theDoctor said..

bhp
From pit to port iron ore costs A$22 per ton




Where did you got this from? 22AUD in the port? HAHA
total bull****.

Yes I work with this stuff and including depreciation of assets, payment of new investment (to replace exhausted ore bodies etc).
The actual value would be close to twice that.

BTW RTIO has currently a lower unit cost than BHP and is not 22aud/tonne either. Vale is the cheapest Fe unit cost and don't mine that here.

Rus13b
NSW, 241 posts
17 May 2019 2:32PM
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here's a question, if u just donkey vote or draw something else on there, is that vote
discarded or duz that vote go to the sitting party at the time. so your really voting for
who don't wont to?.

Richoa
NSW, 456 posts
17 May 2019 3:32PM
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Theres been huge economic/social change in Australia in 35years. wake up man, you can marry another bloke now. Reserve bank controls interest rate/inflation etc. many public sectors sold off, reduced import tariffs. Medicare, gst , superannuation etc etc to name a few.

Not saying they are good or bad change but yr kidding yrself to think not significant


southace
QLD, 3998 posts
17 May 2019 3:43PM
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They still won't disclose why the last priminster was asked to leave his office, it was Australians choice to vote him in yet a small group of snails managed to over turn this, so yes no point voting!

515
167 posts
17 May 2019 1:59PM
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As a generalization it seams most politicians are self serving there own interests. In NZ all agree on pay rises, resist the fact that we have high rate of politicians per capita.
Apart from windsurfing i did study commerce in Canberra (84 & 85)and understanding economics and looking at policy.
Voting you're not going to get a Bob Hawke.
But if you don't vote you have no right to complain!

Mr Milk
NSW, 1508 posts
17 May 2019 3:59PM
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We don't elect a PM.


We elect a Parliament via individual electorates. The MPs then choose the PM from amongst themselves. This is almost always the leader of a party which has a majority of seats. If the factions in that party fight over who should be PM s/he can be changed.

If we elected the PM, that name would be on the ballot paper in your electorate.

stuk
NSW, 845 posts
17 May 2019 4:03PM
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In all my near 40 years of voting I have never lived in a marginal electorate, not once. Either rusted on Labor or silver lined Liberal/national safe electorates. So I guess it could be said that my vote has never mattered a fig, and this election will be the same.

In truth very few Australians have the power to make any difference in elections

Marsbars
409 posts
17 May 2019 2:04PM
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southace said..
They still won't disclose why the last priminster was asked to leave his office, it was Australians choice to vote him in yet a small group of snails managed to over turn this, so yes no point voting!


Who are they? Are they the Snails? Are the snails the same ones that got rid of Whitlam, Hawke, Rudd, Gillard, Abbott and Turnbull who failed to see out the term of their govts as leaders of their parties and by default Prime Ministers.

Is the priminster ScoMo the same as Is the Prime minister Scott Morrison? Hard to keep up these days with the lingo.



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