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Subsonic
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16 Jun 2013 3:06pm
Our household fridge has started acting up. I'm probably gonna have to get someone out to look at it, I thought of asking the brains trust on here first though, to see if I can get a diagnosis....

What it's doing:
The temp in both the fridge and freezer are nowhere near as cold as usual. Both the temp adjustment knobs are cranked right up, yet the bread in the freezer is only half frozen (it usually freezes bread quite well) and things in the fridge are noticeably less cool. The compressor is still turning itself on and off and there's still cold air going into both sections but its just not as cold.

On a side note, it's also blown the light globe. Don't know if the two incidents are related or not?

It's a Simpson fridge, which has up till now given many years of faithful service, despite the punishment it has been dealt in a busy share house
Beaglebuddy
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16 Jun 2013 3:47pm
I work on A/C not refrigeration but here is a possible cause, the coils located on the exterior either underneath or behind the unit could well be clogged with lint preventing the heat from dissipating into the air. In this situation the compressor would probably run continuously unless it's getting too hot and cycling on and off.
A common problem is the damper that divides the air between the frig and freezer but that doesn't sound like the problem here.
It's probably not worth spending any money at all on, it's old and will cost a lot to fix. It's also hard to get decent repairmen these days, nobody fixes old refrigerators, the just chuck em'
If it's not dirty coils it's time to start shopping for a new one, on the plus side the new ones are more efficient.
Subsonic
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16 Jun 2013 3:58pm
Beaglebuddy said..

I work on A/C not refrigeration but here is a possible cause, the coils located on the exterior either underneath or behind the unit could well be clogged with lint preventing the heat from dissipating into the air. In this situation the compressor would probably run continuously unless it's getting too hot and cycling on and off.



Hmm, Its not running continuously, but Im pretty sure its turning on and off a lot more frequently than it should be/usually does on a cold winters day, looks like I might be shopping for a new fridge
Beaglebuddy
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16 Jun 2013 5:40pm
Well how old is it approximately?
You should pull it away from the wall and check behind it and look underneath with a flashlight to make sure it's not clogged with lint.
Make sure the vents inside the frig aren't blocked by food items, look for ice accumulating, replace the lightbulb and make sure that works, check and see the interior fans are running, pull off the cover to get to where the compressor is, that's about all I can think of, anything more will require a professional. $$$
Subsonic
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16 Jun 2013 6:31pm
Its about 6 years old, I'm not gonna retire it straight up. Like you say a bit of research/checking first, I'd rather spend hundreds on a repair than thousands on a new one. I thought it might have been something to do with the thermostat, but the symptoms you describe match what it's doing....
kiteboy dave
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16 Jun 2013 8:44pm
Also probably obvious but carefully check your

log man
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16 Jun 2013 9:15pm
Geez Dave!
Supergus
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16 Jun 2013 9:46pm
kiteboy dave said..

Also probably obvious but carefully check your



Ha !!!
airjunkie
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16 Jun 2013 7:48pm
Subsonic said..


Its about 6 years old, I'm not gonna retire it straight up. Like you say a bit of research/checking first, I'd rather spend hundreds on a repair than thousands on a new one. I thought it might have been something to do with the thermostat, but the symptoms you describe match what it's doing....



I've repaired quite a few fridges in my time and six years old is not that old at all, but the symptoms you describe don't lend themselves to anything obvious
if the rear coil was blocked enough to cause a problem then it would definitely not cycle in and out it would keep running until it locks out on high pressure so it's very unlikely that this is the case.
being six years old i'd assume it is a frost free fridge/ freezer and would have at least one fan and as has already been said by Beaglebuddy - check that fans are working in my experience these are the most common items to fail (in modern fridges). fan failure in the fridge is usually the easiest one to spot as there is usually quite a large temperature difference between the different shelves
With fan failure in the fridge sometimes you will get items towards the back of the fridge freezing you can test this out by placing a tomato right at the back (but not touching 1 - 2 cm from the back/coil) top shelf or second one down usualy leave it a day or two and see if it freezes if so its definitely the fan

If that didn't get results then you can test your thermostats usually hidden in the fridge or freezer behind a thin white plastic panel in the back wall or the roof the panel will either be clipped or screwed int place. I usually warm them up with some warm water (don't go mad and boil the kettle) wrap them in some cloth to insulate them to see if i can pull the temperature down further than it was already (a thermometer would be handy to see the change here)


Fridges are usually pretty hardy and it is extremely rare in my experience to see one that is only six years old be a bin job unless:
-It has been laid on its back or side for transit and run before the oil has had time to settle back into place
-It has one of those stupid screens and a processor running it and these are only normally junked because the computer costs more than the whole fridge does to replace

Finally and sorry for stating the obvious here - give it a good clean out and defrost , even a frost free freezer can end up with a bit of ice or a foreign particle blocking the air passage that sometimes is there for a fan to cycle in and out to keep the fridge at the correct temperature (between fridge and freezer)

good luck with your fault finding hope this helps





Subsonic
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16 Jun 2013 8:00pm
Thanks airjunkie/beaglebuddy, I'll give it all a go. Failing that I'll call a professional in for a looksee
arancini
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16 Jun 2013 8:51pm
sounds like its not going into defrost.

De frost it manually and try again.

Fridges can have quite a few different de frost mechanism,

Hot gas, = noisy

Off cycle, not commom

Electric resitive heat most common, if its failing to de frost the comp will still cycle, but the evaportor (the cold coil) will not complete de ice = poor performance.
joeyjojo
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16 Jun 2013 9:13pm
Mine did the same; ^Manual defrost was the go. Ice was stopping the fan in the back of the freezer from spinning in-turn no cool air being distributed to the fridge!



Chris6791
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16 Jun 2013 10:32pm
+1 to the manual defrost, but if you can store the contents of the fridge elsewhere try and leave it overnight with the door open. Give the innards every chance to defrost and drain away. Plus everything BeagleBuddy said about cleaning the coils and vents.
evlPanda
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17 Jun 2013 12:04pm
airjunkie said..
Fridges are usually pretty hardy and it is extremely rare in my experience to see one that is only six years old be a bin job unless:
-It has been laid on its back or side for transit and run before the oil has had time to settle back into place


This still applies to fridges made before 1930.

As suggested above check seals, dust and gunk buildup around back, and clear any excess ice. Usually thermostat or gas leak.
~$70 call out fee + $70/hr + parts.

felixdcat
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17 Jun 2013 1:49pm
joeyjojo said..
Mine did the same; ^Manual defrost was the go. Ice was stopping the fan in the back of the freezer from spinning in-turn no cool air being distributed to the fridge!


Had the same issue with mine!
Chook2
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18 Jun 2013 6:29pm
Similar problem with mine in the garage.
The switch that works the light had displaced and was not turning the light off. (Only found this after I replaced the globe which had burnt out). With the heat of the light on all the time, I had kept turning up the thermostat to keep it cool and the ducts were frozen over.

I left it turned off while I got a globe from Perth and there was quite a large puddle of water after it all thawed out. It must have been solid in behind with ice.

A new globe fitted and now my "nectar" is once again cold, with the original thermostat setting.
Chris6791
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18 Jun 2013 10:01pm
I had a split on a seal on the freezer door and I left it for maybe 18 months before I finally replaced it two weeks ago. When I undid the screws for the seal I found the void inside the freezer door was frozen solid with ice. I'm guessing it wasn't so good for the efficiency of the freezer... turns out every time the freezer went through a chill cycle the air inside the door void chilled, contracted and sucked a little bit of fresh air and moisture in with it through the split seal, that froze, and the cycle repeated.

I knew a dodgy seal is inefficient but but I thought it was just cold air leaking out/hot air sneaking in, I never considered the door would freeze solid.
pweedas
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18 Jun 2013 11:44pm
Subsonic said..
It's a Simpson fridge, which has up till now given many years of faithful service, despite the punishment it has been dealt in a busy share house


It's probably the busy share house that caused the problem.
Each time the door is opened and left open for a minute while someone gazes over the pickings inside for something to stuff in their gob, a whole lot of new air full of moisture is loaded into the fridge. The door is then shut, the air is cooled and the moisture freezes out on the evaporator coils behind the icebox, or the icebox itself if there are no evaporator coils.
The auto defrost can only thaw so much ice and then goes back into freeze mode again.
Once the coil is covered with a thick layer of ice, it can only transfer a small amount of heat from the air to the evaporator coils so even though the fridge runs almost non stop, it has a hard time bringing the internal temperature down.
Sometimes the evaporator coils can end up as one big solid ice block. It can also be so big that it forms up against the fan and stops it turning. You can usually hear when this happens because it gets really noisy.
WHen turned off, it can take a day to thaw out even with the doors open.

Anyway, the fix has already been stated above. Just turn the fridge off, open the freezer doors and leave open overnight or longer. Maybe a whole day. If you see a big puddle coming from under the fridge then that was the problem. Check that the fan is working if it has one. They are located behind the freezer box covered by a plastic plate.
Turn it off before you start poking around inside or you might get electroluxed.
Foreeze a jolly good fellow.
Chris6791
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19 Jun 2013 8:28pm
pweedas said..

Turn it off before you start poking around inside or you might get electroluxed.
Foreeze a jolly good fellow.


That reminds me of the time I was working in a pizza shop with a dodgy coolroom, the bloody thing always froze up. We tried lots of different things to defrost it on a regular basis. I ended up climbing up on the roof of the coolroom, turned it off, read a little wiring diagram and pulling a wire for the compressor. Worked a treat, the fans ran without the compressor and in no time the unit was defrosted. We did it once a week and it worked a treat.

Then I got lazy and did it without turning off the power, I promptly got zapped
longwinded
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20 Jun 2013 5:09pm
Thanks seabreezers. Had same problem as subsonic posted. Defrosted and genuinely suprised that it made about 2 litres of water after 7 hours before water stopped coming from a conceled panel. Fired back up and working a treat now. Will get seals changed as well as I think this may have been the root cause of the frost.
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20 Jun 2013 10:59pm
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