Big Melbourne Ferris Wheel

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Simondo
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5 Dec 2011 12:46pm
I was on the train going past the "Melbourne Ferris Wheel" re-construction site the other day. I said to myself, "it would not surprise me if there is a major safety issue on this site before it is finished". Complex steel erection is not easy.

Here's an article on a recent safety issue.
www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/wheels-safety-in-doubt-union-20111204-1odk0.html

It's called The Southern Star Observation Wheel.
www.thesouthernstar.com.au/

Wiki lists construction costs as $100M. Unknown when it will be completed / reopened. Major capital cost outlay commenced in 2008.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Southern_Star(observation_wheel)

It had operated for "up to 1 month" before it was shut down with structural cracks in the steel.

Who's the ultimate owner? Is anyone getting sued yet? I would imagine this re-build is happening under insurance? Is a very unfortunate outcome so far. Millions spent, pretty much no income.
log man
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5 Dec 2011 2:06pm
Simondo said...

I was on the train going past the "Melbourne Ferris Wheel" re-construction site the other day. I said to myself, "it would not surprise me if there is a major safety issue on this site before it is finished". Complex steel erection is not easy.

Here's an article on a recent safety issue.
www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/wheels-safety-in-doubt-union-20111204-1odk0.html

It's called The Southern Star Observation Wheel.
www.thesouthernstar.com.au/

Wiki lists construction costs as $100M. Unknown when it will be completed / reopened. Major capital cost outlay commenced in 2008.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Southern_Star_(observation_wheel)

It had operated for "up to 1 month" before it was shut down with structural cracks in the steel.

Who's the ultimate owner? Is anyone getting sued yet? I would imagine this re-build is happening under insurance? Is a very unfortunate outcome so far. Millions spent, pretty much no income.


Who the **** is going to ride on the thing once it's finished. Unfortunately we all need to realize that we are Australians and as such we need to realize we are a total crap at building anything that requires it to be standing up in 2 weeks.
Simondo
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5 Dec 2011 2:48pm
I agree, who's going to ride on it?

I think the best possible outcome at this stage is;
- a little bit of bankruptcy
- new owner buys it for a song
- with existing contracts and wages paid of course

PS - Australian's are OK at building things. We just can't afford to build big stone buildings and mass brick buildings anymore.

A big steel wheel like that will always be pushing the limitations of structural steel.
BulldogPup
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5 Dec 2011 12:12pm
So was it designed or aimed at being a sort of UK-type Millenium Wheel thing - basically aimed at the tourist market?
and was the government or Vic Tourism dept involved?
(can't get the links to open for some reason????)

Just on the Construction thingo - bloody shame that we can't compete and do ourselves proud that way for sure!
felixdcat
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5 Dec 2011 12:22pm
Was one here in Perth and I used to drive in front of it often. The bloody thing was always empty! Mind you, you could have driven to Kings Park and enjoy a far better view for free!
doggie
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5 Dec 2011 12:30pm
Simondo said...

I agree, who's going to ride on it?




Poms and boat people
BulldogPup
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5 Dec 2011 12:31pm
hahahaha - aint touchin' that
jev7337
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5 Dec 2011 3:35pm
log man said....
Unfortunately we all need to realize that we are Australians and as such we need to realize we are a total crap at building anything that requires it to be standing up in 2 weeks.


True. But it doesn't look like you're from oz based on your spelling.

doggie said...

Simondo said...

I agree, who's going to ride on it?




Poms and boat people


Poms Yes.
Boat p...le No.

So there goes half the revenue.
Cambodge
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5 Dec 2011 5:15pm
Can't be bothered looking into it...but how come lots of other cities have successfully built much bigger ferris wheels? e.g. London, Singapore, etc, etc.

Is it the big RANGE of temperatures that's the problem in Melbourne?...from single-digit degree winter days up to 44+ degree days? If so, that's hardly a surprise for the designer??!
choco
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5 Dec 2011 5:43pm
they should just build a big ladder
SandS
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5 Dec 2011 8:36pm
We in Victoria are pretty good at big concrete buildings and other types of construction , compared to anyone .

The wheel will eventually be finished and all the tourists will love it . Some pour bugger who did the original computations is very likely still trying to forget about it though.
Simondo
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5 Dec 2011 9:26pm
Melb Temperatures - you would need to engineer against a range from -5 to about 50.

Engineers involved.... I'll speak to a few in the coming weeks to get to the inside gossip. Every major structural engineering was involved. As a minimum there was;
- Design
- Verification / Certification
- Construction Sequencing / Temporary Construction

Thinking out loud, most structural engineers would be frothing at the chance to work on something like this. Perhaps the Professional Fees were reflective of this. And I know "managers"... When 3/4 of the fee is spent but only 1/3 of the service is delivered... Push comes to Shove... People get dragged off the project. Service is delivered to a fee. Not saying it happened here... But that concept happens.

I'm a Cost Engineer, and this is about the last I will say on the matter. I have not worked on this project, and I am not bound by any confidentiality agreement. But once I find out more info, it will go into the Confidential Vault. And I would expect the same in return.
lotofwind
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5 Dec 2011 9:39pm
Just dont build a Ferris Wheel at the end of a runway.

Cambodge
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5 Dec 2011 11:33pm
A well-designed ferris wheel...clearly engineered to withstand aircraft impacts! Obviously constructed to post-9/11 specifications.
theDoctor
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6 Dec 2011 1:09am
Cambodge said...

Can't be bothered looking into it...but how come lots of other cities have successfully built much bigger ferris wheels? e.g. London, Singapore, etc, etc.


They are popping up in major cities around the world because they are star gates that will be used as portals for the invading inter dimensional reptilian shape shifters that will arrive come the end of 2012....
superlizard
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6 Dec 2011 8:29am
Cambodge said...

Can't be bothered looking into it...but how come lots of other cities have successfully built much bigger ferris wheels? e.g. London, Singapore, etc, etc.

Is it the big RANGE of temperatures that's the problem in Melbourne?...from single-digit degree winter days up to 44+ degree days? If so, that's hardly a surprise for the designer??!


doubt it, as european temperatures range -20 to 30+, and haven't heard of any of their wheels coming loose... some built 30-40 years ago...
doggie
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6 Dec 2011 9:08am
theDoctor said...

Cambodge said...

Can't be bothered looking into it...but how come lots of other cities have successfully built much bigger ferris wheels? e.g. London, Singapore, etc, etc.


They are popping up in major cities around the world because they are star gates that will be used as portals for the invading inter dimensional reptilian shape shifters that will arrive come the end of 2012....


Isnt the Queen a lizard? If so then your stargate shapeshifter theory is dashed
Cambodge
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7 Dec 2011 10:49am
The Queen is just the protrusion into our blinkered three-dimensional space of the much greater multi-dimensional stargate shapeshifter lizard beings. Sheesh...Have you not read the hitchhiker's guide???!
Toots
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9 Dec 2011 12:57am
doggie said...

Simondo said...

I agree, who's going to ride on it?




Poms and boat people


Meh, Boat people are the hard industrious worker types who will work 20 hours a day and be able to afford their own shop in their second year of living here.
Poms and Houso's.
cantswm4sht
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10 Dec 2011 3:55pm
could be a problem, the melbourne wheel will still be incomplete by then
theDoctor said...

Cambodge said...

Can't be bothered looking into it...but how come lots of other cities have successfully built much bigger ferris wheels? e.g. London, Singapore, etc, etc.


They are popping up in major cities around the world because they are star gates that will be used as portals for the invading inter dimensional reptilian shape shifters that will arrive come the end of 2012....


weiry
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10 Dec 2011 7:08pm
God, have you people been living in the dark ages, have you seen the sydney harbour bridge australians are capable, to say we cant is a load of SH!T
frant
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10 Dec 2011 8:29pm
Two words..... Chinese steel.
cantswm4sht
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11 Dec 2011 9:46am
Hmmm, wonder if you remember the westgate bridge in melbourne collapsing during construction, or the crane collapse during roof construction of the new melbourne venue
weiry said...

God, have you people been living in the dark ages, have you seen the sydney harbour bridge australians are capable, to say we cant is a load of SH!T


weiry
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11 Dec 2011 9:01pm
cantswm4sht said...

Hmmm, wonder if you remember the westgate bridge in melbourne collapsing during construction, or the crane collapse during roof construction of the new melbourne venue
weiry said...

God, have you people been living in the dark ages, have you seen the sydney harbour bridge australians are capable, to say we cant is a load of SH!T





Hmm wonder if you remember the westgate bridge and the bolte bridge are still there and going strong
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