Dr Mary Anne Demasi... Mmmmhhhh.....

Lowering cholesterol with meds will achieve nothing as having low cholesterol is not good. Mark,one day you just might wake up but I'm certainly not betting on it.


www.sott.net/article/267896-Saturated-fat-heart-disease-myth-UK-cardiologist-calls-for-change-in-public-health-advice-on-saturated-fat

Mark _australia said..


I think you like butter and are reading into it what you want it to say.

Everyone from WA that was around in the 70's knows the reason for liking butter Mark !

Remember the old Sunnywest butter ad......"Butter eaters make better lovers"

I didn't see Catalyst, although it sounds like the scientists came up with a theory. So P33, why would you believe this theory if it has a scientific basis? Don't you see. You are now the sheeple. It is a conspiracy by the butter manufacturers and the coconut growers.

^^^nothing was researched or properly tested. it was personal opinion and anecdotal evidence from a couple of doctors in the u.s.
that may be why pm33 has so readily accepted it

I'm with you on this one PM.
Fat is good.
Sugar is NOT!!

patsken said..

Mark _australia said..





I think you like butter and are reading into it what you want it to say.

Everyone from WA that was around in the 70's knows the reason for liking butter Mark !

Remember the old Sunnywest butter ad......"Butter eaters make better lovers"

Bit young to remember that ad Ken
But am interested..... do you rub the butter on yourself or her..........?

Woohoo.....KFC here I come

Chris6791 said..
I watched up to the bit where they pulled apart the validity of the original research in the 50's or whenever it was, then I figured, meh, this is what I pay my GP to know so I changed channel and watch a show on doomsday preppers.

Doomsday preppers is quality also now I know where to go when it happens. Why doesnt anyone take the zombie apocolypse more serious.

evlPanda said..

petermac33 said..
And get off the cholesterol lowering meds as you don't need them anymore,now it's admitted that there is no correlation between a high saturated fat diet and high cholesterol.

Cholesterol is still bad for you. There's absolutely no argument about it.

Have got to wonder what else they lied to us about.

They didn't lie. They were wrong. They correct it. Faith, dogma or blamestorming is neither required nor wanted.

"The scientific method is a body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge." - Boring Science.

I just watched it. It seems the original research that set off the cholesterol/saturated fat scare was a scam whereby the author cherry picked national dietary habits to draw a statistical correlation between heart disease and cholesterol.

There is good reason to believe that cholesterol is benign. In dietary studies that limit cholesterol uptake the body manufactures more to make up the discrepancy. Cholesterol seems to be a defense against inflammatory lesions cause by oxidised bits including cholesterol itself. More antioxidants mopping up free rads would probably work to minimize the lesions.

Free rads are a natural byproduct of the energy production cycle. Sugar is implicated in the production of excess free rads, carbohydrates less so.

I'm a fan of the Mediterranean diet. It's yummy. Spag bol, greek salads, lamb chops, pasta, more salads and bread and olive oil, basil pesto ... yummo. It has runs on the board. The Maccas diet doesn't.

evlPanda said..

petermac33 said..
And get off the cholesterol lowering meds as you don't need them anymore,now it's admitted that there is no correlation between a high saturated fat diet and high cholesterol.

Cholesterol is still bad for you. There's absolutely no argument about it.

Well,... there is. The suggestion in the show was that cholesterol does not have a definite correlation to heart attacks.

A doctor on the program was saying that when he first started looking at it, he assumed that he was seen anomalies when he say people that died with high levels, and other people that died with low levels. After a number of years, he realised it wasn't an anomaly.
You should watch the program. Whether you believe it or not, its interesting.


There was also a suggestion that when you try to lower your cholesterol level, your body does what it can to try and restore it to the levels it was.

There was also the suggestion that only a very small amount of your cholesterol comes from your diet, and that the majority of its made by your body anyway.

Cut sugar out of your diet and really limit your carb intake. Lots of veg and meat, doesn't have to be lean, in fact it's the fat that stops hunger pangs. It's the reason why you can never last on those diets of lean meat (fish,chicken) and salad, you're always bloody hungry. Meat and bone broths stop hunger pangs too, protein is your friend. Raw nuts are a good snack too.

I've been grain, dairy and sugar free for about 4 months now, dropped 12 kilo and have never felt better. You may need to supplement zinc, magnesium and B6 but if you can stomach liver you can forgo them too.

The average GP knows sweet FA about nutrition, it's a tiny component of their training. In contrast a dietician puts in four years.

What you eat has very little effect on your cholesterol levels and regardless, cholesterol is good. Animal fat is good for you and safe to cook with, so is coconut oil. All other vegetable oils are unstable when heated, resulting in oxidation and the formation of free radicals. It's the free radicals that convert HDL to LDL cholesterol, that's the bad stuff.

Stop eating processed $hit, buy whole food and cook it yourself, remove preservatives from your diet. Find a good butcher. Anthony @ Morris pl in Innaloo is great, great value grass fed free range animals. Avoid farmed fish, they are fed crap.

I agree with smicko but some grains like brown rice are ok. All dairy is pasteurised so if possible stay away from that,raw milk the exception. For decrepit I would recommend watching The Beautiful Truth,a two hour doco that opened my mind up big time. Much of the food from overseas by law has to be nuked,irradiation i think they call it so buy local if possible. Just read the above link of dietary guidelines and what a croc! Coconut is a wonder food,super high in nutrients with great taste and they are telling you to avoid it.

What's so bad about grains?

decrepit said..

NotWal said..

decrepit said..



Yep I saw the show, and found it very impressive.

Dr asked me to modify my diet several years ago to try and get my "Bad" cholesterol down. Diet didn't make any difference, so he concluded my body just makes too much so put me on pills.

So now what do I do?

See if my Dr watched the show, ask what she thinks?

Just stop taking them?



Or try a compromise and drop to half dose?

I have heard (apocryphal) that a calcium scan may help. Plaques require calcium so if you are laying up plaques in your arteries there will be a tell tale trace in your blood. If the calcium is clear then it doesn't matter what your cholesterol count is.

Wow, why did this get a red thumb?????

NotWal Hardie told me a similar thing yesterday, he'd heard it from a pharmacist.

Another thing to discuss with my GP.

I think it would be extremely hard for me to give up grains.

What's the negative impact of them, and is it the same for wholemeal and processed?

What about Freeka or Freekah grain, listening to the data on that grain (green wheat processed before ripe) This is supposed to be a super food
I did watch same program, and currently on medication to keep my counts low, but then I need to counteract the debilitation with muscle mass which is a side affect