Chinese Doping or just 'talented?'

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CMC
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1 Aug 2012 2:05pm
www.couriermail.com.au/nocookies?a=A.flavipes


What do you think?
byf
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1 Aug 2012 12:28pm
She obviously does not have TWITter as that seems to be the reason for under performing according to us aussies.
Simondo
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1 Aug 2012 2:32pm
Their current medal tally is stacked heavy in Gold, and not much Silver or Bronze...
Is it a case of first find the best, then pump them up to win Gold...?
It smells fishy...
CMC
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1 Aug 2012 2:37pm
7 second improvement between the worlds and the olympics.

Faster than gold medal winning men.

16 y.o


It all sounds like she is doped until I watched Alicia Coutts come within a dogs dingle of her in the medley.

So is Coutts doped too?
doggie
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1 Aug 2012 12:41pm
CMC said...

7 second improvement between the worlds and the olympics.

Faster than gold medal winning men.

16 y.o


It all sounds like she is doped until I watched Alicia Coutts come within a dogs dingle of her in the medley.

So is Coutts doped too?


They all are, some are better at hiding it than others [}:)]
Scotty88
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1 Aug 2012 1:13pm
Well she certainly is not built like those bohemeths from 94 world champo's.
Sailhack
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1 Aug 2012 3:17pm
Does that infer mean that SUP'er Annabel is doped also?

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/SUP/Annabel-Anderson-beats-all-the-guys/

She might simply be a freak (in a good way)...add hard work & torturous training, good diet etc...
CMC
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1 Aug 2012 3:26pm
Sailhack said...

Does that infer mean that SUP'er Annabel is doped also?

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Stand-Up-Paddle/SUP/Annabel-Anderson-beats-all-the-guys/

She might simply be a freak (in a good way)...add hard work & torturous training, good diet etc...


Not really a good comparison.

None of the guys Annabel beat were world champs. If she beat Danny Ching, Travis Grant or Jamie Mitchell for example I am sure people would be looking at her a little closer.

This girl beat Michael Phelps on time??
DanP
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1 Aug 2012 8:24pm
I reckon Talented.

Yes she outsplit Lochte over the final 50, however she was coming from behind and had insentive to swim fast, Lochte had his race in the bag already with 100m to go - for the record he smashed her with every other split in the race. His final 400IM time was 4.05ish, she swam 4.28, no comparision. 4 other guys in the mens 400IM swam faster than her over the last 50... they were back in the pack and were trying to make up places as well though.

She's been training in Australia for the past few years with Ken Wood, head coach of Redcliff Leagues Lawnton Swim Club in QLD. Jess Schippers old coach from when she was dominating. Schipper changed coaches for this preparation and had a great result.... 24th in Heat and didnt make semi's in the 200Fly.

The system is there with swimming, cheaters will get caught.... hopefully. I give benefit of the doubt... for now.
the gibbo
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1 Aug 2012 7:02pm
Would she have been so openly questioned if she was aussie, i very much doubt it, she would be hailed a hero/genius/legend

Assumed innocent until proven guilty, my arse, trial by media as usual, if this was your sister/daughter you would be livid her golden moment in the spotlight which she would have been training for all her life, tainted

But hey i might eat my words if she tests positive anytime, i hope not, if she does test positive having trained in aus for ages, the poo will hit the fan here too
Sham1984
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1 Aug 2012 9:25pm
Apparently she was pulled out of school when she was 3 and sent to a sports school because she had big hands. That just wouldn't happen anywhere else.

I also heard an interview with an Aussie girl that trains on the goldy with the Chinese, and when the Aussies have a night off or go out to dinner, the Chinese just keep training.

It's talent, training and conditioning, not doping

poor relative
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1 Aug 2012 9:13pm
I give benefit of doubt

Thorpy wiped 5 seconds off the WR when he was 16.
mineral1
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1 Aug 2012 10:03pm
Innocent until proven otherwise. Anyway I reckon she is clean
Aussie coach working for China Olympic team on News tonight highlighted a few other guns who have risen to the top in these Olympics. Nobody saying zilch about them.
How's this head coaches salary, 4 times what he was able to earn here in Aus, and on a huge bonus for every gold medal China win. So far there are two. He reckoned we would be stunned to hear what the bonus level was.
Pitbull
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2 Aug 2012 12:02am
Not sure which way to go on this one. As mentioned above, innocent until proven guilty, however Chinese scientists may have invented a drug which is not detectable with the methods that are being used at the moment. Time will tell.
CJW
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2 Aug 2012 6:50am
mineral1 said...

Innocent until proven otherwise. Anyway I reckon she is clean
Aussie coach working for China Olympic team on News tonight highlighted a few other guns who have risen to the top in these Olympics. Nobody saying zilch about them.
How's this head coaches salary, 4 times what he was able to earn here in Aus, and on a huge bonus for every gold medal China win. So far there are two. He reckoned we would be stunned to hear what the bonus level was.



I read $250,000 bonus for each gold medal an athlete he looks after wins, huge cash
kpb
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2 Aug 2012 7:50am
Even if she is on performance enhancing drugs we won't know until well after the Olympics.They probably don't even have a test for the doping they are doing now,which is why they keep there samples for eight years....I always give benefit of the doubt and would like to think she is clean.
gibberjoe
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2 Aug 2012 8:17am

clean here!
jbshack
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2 Aug 2012 10:39am
What next a female athlete beating Safa Poul ( no idea on spelling and neither did spell check)

Id like to say clean but a bit suss. Its a shame that the stupid commentators asked her right after the race. That's just rude[}:)]

This kids have so much going through there heads at this time. One of the Aussie girls when interviewed after winning gold said the best thing was she gets to fly home Business class
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