Climate change. An interesting point.

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stribo
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18 Mar 2009 12:18am
Cassa
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18 Mar 2009 9:55pm
very interesting point made here!
Sailhack
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19 Mar 2009 9:33am
Climatechange through the eyes of a schoolteacher........now THAT'S scary! I don't think we can simplify it to that extent, and his focus is obviously on the weak-minded followers that will 'believe' if it can be simplified to their understanding, which is what extremests do.

Use that same argument in any situation...Smoking, for instance...

We could 'kill' all smokers to save the non-smokers who 'might' develop lung cancer, or we could do nothing...If we 'kill' smokers, we have no more tobacco smoking, therefore no more risk of dying from passive smoke induced lung cancer and all live happily forever in the 'Garden of Eden'...If we do 'nothing' we risk 'all' dying a horrible death! Hmmm, makes a reasonable argument, doesn't it???

Hmmmmm, load of crap! And if I'm wrong about this guy? Climate change will wipe-out the whole human race...prob not a bad thing, as apparently we're the disease anyway!

(BTW, for anyone who thinks that I'm for real about 'killing' smokers...get a life, or more importantly, get your own opinions instead of listening to this type of propaganda)

[edit] Just reading back, prob a bit harsh, but I'm getting a bit sick of hearing about 'global warming', we can't reverse the damage that's been done, and there's no way that China, USA, India, and all other 'developed' countries will reduce their emissions as fast as these emissions were produced because our population is growing at a rate that is not sustainable on this planet, and personally, I don't believe that without some kind of catastrophy of immense proportions (like the worst-case scenario in the vid) this will change...I'm just going to make the most of what I have until the 'end is upon me'!
stribo
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19 Mar 2009 9:07am
Sailhack said...

Climatechange through the eyes of a schoolteacher........now THAT'S scary! I don't think we can simplify it to that extent, and his focus is obviously on the weak-minded followers that will 'believe' if it can be simplified to their understanding, which is what extremests do.

Use that same argument in any situation...Smoking, for instance...

We could 'kill' all smokers to save the non-smokers who 'might' develop lung cancer, or we could do nothing...If we 'kill' smokers, we have no more tobacco smoking, therefore no more risk of dying from passive smoke induced lung cancer and all live happily forever in the 'Garden of Eden'...If we do 'nothing' we risk 'all' dying a horrible death! Hmmm, makes a reasonable argument, doesn't it???

Hmmmmm, load of crap! And if I'm wrong about this guy? Climate change will wipe-out the whole human race...prob not a bad thing, as apparently we're the disease anyway!

(BTW, for anyone who thinks that I'm for real about 'killing' smokers...get a life, or more importantly, get your own opinions instead of listening to this type of propaganda)

[edit] Just reading back, prob a bit harsh, but I'm getting a bit sick of hearing about 'global warming', we can't reverse the damage that's been done, and there's no way that China, USA, India, and all other 'developed' countries will reduce their emissions as fast as these emissions were produced because our population is growing at a rate that is not sustainable on this planet, and personally, I don't believe that without some kind of catastrophy of immense proportions (like the worst-case scenario in the vid) this will change...I'm just going to make the most of what I have until the 'end is upon me'!


So how do you form your opinions Sailhack? From your own biased views?
For instance when you buy a windsurf board do you believe the manufacturers write ups about the board or do you read and gather information from every source available and then make an opinion.

"I'm just going to make the most of what I have until the 'end is upon me"

Yeah stuff the kids/future generations,animals and all the fish/coral in the ocean etc.etc. Long as i have a good time while i'm here and don't think about these issues it'll all go away.
I am by no means perfect Sailhack....But these comments you have made are just plain stupid and selfish. Reminds me of an ostrich putting its head in the sand.

patsken
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19 Mar 2009 10:30am
Stribo don't pick on him...

He's from over the other side of the "Rabbit Proof Fence"
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19 Mar 2009 12:15pm
Anthropogenic (man made) global warming is a lie. That's why the members of this religion have re-named it "climate change" due to the fact that since 1998 the mean global temp has been dropping! Science does not support this theory - fullstop.

www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=83947f5d-d84a-4a84-ad5d-6e2d71db52d9

(US Senate report into man made global warming claims late last year).
Sailhack
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19 Mar 2009 7:33pm
Here we go............reply to another 'ranter' (bit like myself)
stribo said...



So how do you form your opinions Sailhack? From your own biased views?

Yep!

For instance when you buy a windsurf board do you believe the manufacturers write ups about the board or do you read and gather information from every source available and then make an opinion.

Nup, My first board was sold to me with kit on special, my second looked like a good price here on Seabreeze buy'n'sell...otherwise with everything else I buy pre-loved gear that's going cheap here, or on Eeeeeebay.

"I'm just going to make the most of what I have until the 'end is upon me"

Yeah stuff the kids/future generations,animals and all the fish/coral in the ocean etc.etc. Long as i have a good time while i'm here and don't think about these issues it'll all go away.

If you knew me, you wouldn't ASSUME any of that comment...and you know why you shouldn't assume? (fyi - it makes an ASS out of U and ME) ha-ha, it's still a goodie!

My comment (and you quoted it) was - "I'm just going to make the most of what I have until the 'end is upon me"

What I have is a life based around family, simple pleasures, compassion for others, and living a 'highly' ecologically-sustainable lifestyle...As I've stated before on these forums my work revolves around sustainability, I, as many other building designers do, am thriving for an 'energy-neutral' home design, and all projects I work on are aimed at the highest level of efficiency I can achieve, my hobbies (windsurfing/fishing) revolve around sustainability, and I bring this home with me also...even to the point that in less than 5 weeks my house is getting fitted with a 1.5kw PV solar panel system. I have a rainwater tank (although not required here as our water is provided through an artesian water-table that is actually rising!)

I am by no means perfect Sailhack....But these comments you have made are just plain stupid and selfish. Reminds me of an ostrich putting its head in the sand.


You're right Stribo....You are by no means perfect...nor am I!

My comments weren't aimed at you, although you seem to take it a bit personally, maybe you've got a thing for this guy? (strike that, low blow sorry). My point being, IF he's right, and from the industrial revolution until now, we've managed to ruin our planet to the point of extinction within 10 years, then there's no amount of picketting or protesting that will undo these damages, no matter how much money we throw at it!

I think his intentions are good, as are yours...it's just that his logic is a bit screwed up, and yes, I'd loooove to see less polluting, but the fact is that as our population grows, so will the pollution....pure maths! I'm saying that as an individual, I'm responsible for my choices and my family's, and by doing whatever I can, including investing in PV Solar that costs around 10K based not on the fact that in about 10years I can enjoy free power, but moreso to lower my own carbon footprint, and not supporting companies or governments that aren't pro-active in regard to the environment...I'm doing my bit!

Perhaps instead of spreading unfounded fear-mongering propaganda, you might look at doing your bit?

End rant

Sailhack
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19 Mar 2009 7:35pm
patsken said...

Stribo don't pick on him...

He's from over the other side of the "Rabbit Proof Fence"



Nah, I'm on THIS side...(aren't I)
stribo
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19 Mar 2009 9:25pm
Nice rant there Sailhack.
The view in the video ... that view has been around for quite some time and you've proven,by the finer details in your retort,that people are taking the unfounded fear-mongering propaganda on board.
sinker
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21 Mar 2009 11:53am
........VOTE GREEN............

Its all you can do.

BTW you're both right.
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