tgladman said...

Just watched insight with the bikies and some lawmakers. New legislation states that an individual (from any section of any community in oz) can be charged for associating with another individual that has a criminal record.
Surely these new laws are ludicrous and could affect individuals outside outlaw motorcycle
Clubs.

saw bits of it
yeah must be pretty bad for the DPP NSW guy to be agreeing with the bikers. Thought that christian bikey made a good point. Some of the others were knobs but

Mark _australia said...

Yeah the poor buggers they are just motorcycle enthusiasts, and some just happen to have criminal records.
Just like, say the local footy club or cricket club where the vast majority of people also have serious indictable charges and the clubhouse is full of weapons

Did they seriously think that they could form criminal organisations and NOT have association laws eventually (as other countries do)

Don't see any DPP lawyers criticising the anti association laws for convicted paedophiles.........?

Agreed. But introducing anti association laws that are applicable to every citizen, is bordering on impeding regular joes rights to associate with whom
He pleases. Sure society needs to address issues of criminality more often than not commuted by bikies, but surely not by introducing laws that apply to all citizens
In an unjust manner.

Seriously.

Do you really think these gangs and their lawyers are fighting against these laws as an injustice and a threat to the broader community's civil rights (local footy clubs, Christian bikers etc). They don't give a flying"f@#k about the wider community.
They see it as a threat to their core business, "selling drugs" end of story.
Some of their points are valid and will be an issue to the broader community, but fighting a bad law for being poorly designed is a totally different thing than fighting a bad law to save your drug business from going down the gurgler is a different matter altogether.
Just don't be gullible enough to think the 1%s and their lawyers are doing it for the good of society.
My thoughts anyway.
W

It is a fallacy that it can apply to all citizens
Anti association laws will only apply to proven members of a gang that is deemed a criminal organisation by a judge after application by the State prosecutors and / or Police.
The only way the gang can be listed as such an organisation is with hundreds of pages of info provided, detailing all kinds of stuff.

I agree that the bikie gangs are in no way concerned about civil liberties. They wear a 1% patch and openly say it means they are the 1% who refuse to abide by the law etc. So what, now they are suddenly concerned about the rights of the 99%? Gimme a break.

If they are talking about consorting laws for 'just anyone' with a record : It is already illegal for kiddy fiddlers to associate - where was the outcry about that? Yes we know they are bad people, but should murderers etc be treated waaay better than paedophiles? No way. Serious offences, serious consequences and so it bloody well should be.

Dont get me started on paedophiles.

I have a question.

WHy are we doing testing on live animals when there are loads of Paedophiles in the lock up