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Gizmo
Gizmo
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14 Jun 2010 4:45pm
Stopped into a fast food store today for a burger (1pm), it took 14 minutes to even get served, mind you lots of staff around 3 cleaning in the kitchen, 3 dealing with the drive through, 2 serving, 1 making the burgers, 1 cleaning up the dining room and the manager doing the fries. With 10 or more staff why do customers wait (I believe an excessive time just to be served?)
The looks on some of the young staff peoples faces looks like their goldfish had just died or their chickens were sick!!! .....
Is it just me or are we starting to accept poor customer service as normal... if this is normal, and we accept it as normal the young kids coming into the workforce are in for a hell of a shock when they get a real job in the real world. (I wouldn't hire any of the people I saw today)

My wife just thinks I'm getting grumpy in my old age
desertyank
desertyank
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14 Jun 2010 3:29pm
You probably are getting grumpy in your old age, Brian!

That being said, i agree with you about service. People here don't seem to give a s@^t either...
westozwind
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WA
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14 Jun 2010 3:40pm
The service matches the quality of the food served.
Would you trust a teenager to cook a gourmet meal?
It's all relative.
Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
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14 Jun 2010 5:34pm
westozwind said...

The service matches the quality of the food served.
Would you trust a teenager to cook a gourmet meal?
It's all relative.

While I tend to agree to some point but all I wanted was a quick bite to eat and not a gourmet meal. So tell me why other stores of the same brand can do it right and others can't?
Bunnings is another example, there are 4 different stores I use depending on what job I'm doing, 3 are what you expect from a "supermarket" type hardware store but 1 is F#@kn hopeless, 20 mins to get a snap on hose connector!!! (and its been like this for years) ... It seems that all the staff there seem to come down to the level of the dumbest of the crew rather than try and raise the standards.
cisco
cisco
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14 Jun 2010 6:06pm
I like it when they ask "Are you right??"

My response is "Usually. What are we discussing??"
getfunky
getfunky
WA
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14 Jun 2010 4:39pm
Like.. wot-everrr!

Come to Perf, on a good day you get bad service.
doggie
doggie
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15 Jun 2010 11:33am
getfunky said...

Like.. wot-everrr!

Come to Perf, on a good day you get bad service.


Down south, even worse
Gorgo
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15 Jun 2010 1:49pm
If you're referring to McDonalds, I can't understand why everything takes so long.

If you order the so-called healthy choice food then it takes even longer and costs a fortune.

Their coffee is not too bad.

Subway is usually pretty quick and the food is less toxic than others.

What I do on my fairly frequent trips is have an Italian restaurant (ie. proper restaurant not fast food joint) en route on the speed dial. When I am 20 minutes away I order a pizza and it's just coming out of the oven when I walk in the door.
superlizard
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15 Jun 2010 2:29pm
was ordering from a similar place drive through... and i said, can i have X... she says "yes", then i say explicitly can i have it in a meal... she said, "sure..." and i said i want it in a meal not by it self, and she said "no problem"... i drive to pay and pick it up, and they hand me out just "X" without the meal... and they say, "oh, she charged you for "X" only, not the meal"... WTF?!!

i reckon, good customer service in general (across any industry or any type of retail) is a rare species where i live...

especially if the company in question already has your money... then they'll f... you over and leave you to rot... (that's my experience so far).

in terms of quality of service and quality of goods you buy, we are all doomed...
Diver
Diver
WA
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15 Jun 2010 12:51pm
westozwind said...

The service matches the quality of the food served.
Would you trust a teenager to cook a gourmet meal?
It's all relative.


I reckon it is across the board. There are some "gourmet" restaurants where the service and attitude stinks almost as much as the food.
Legion
Legion
WA
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15 Jun 2010 2:20pm
I reckon you get what you deserve if you eat at fast food places.
grumplestiltskin
grumplestiltskin
WA
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15 Jun 2010 3:00pm
The trouble is, these days its too easy for these kids (actually not only kids, everyone) to get jobs.

Because the shops are crying out for staff, the employees hold the power and get away with attitudes you would never have gotten away with 20 years ago.

I know I sound like some old fart carrying on about the 'ol days (coz I am)

When you actually had to compete for jobs you were bloody happy to get one, and your attitude matched.

Combine the above with the Unfair Dismissal Laws and its suddenly impossible to get rid of someone no matter how bad they, or their attitude, are.
superlizard
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15 Jun 2010 5:20pm
Legion said...

I reckon you get what you deserve if you eat at fast food places.


are you saying if someone orders a fresh salad sandwich on a wholemeal bread, from Subway, they deserve bad customer service because Subway (just using it as an example here), is also a fast food place.?

following similar logic, anyone buying from shops that sell cheap goods, should also receive bad service...

flying with a cheap airline... again, should one expect bad service... (both from the flight staff and the pilot)

in conclusion, if you get paid less, does that mean you should be rude and do a sh1t job... tell you what, even many security guards in shopping centers are not really paid much... what happens if you get attacked, and the "low paid" security guard walks by...

i.e. how do you draw a line where you should start expecting good customer service?

there is a fast food joint in melb - called Don Don... a tiny small Japanese take away... cheap... they always smile when you take order, and you get served the food before you finish putting the wallet in your pocket (fresh/warm)... every single time.... no exceptions...

Gorgo
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15 Jun 2010 5:21pm
Legion said...

I reckon you get what you deserve if you eat at fast food places.


Fair enough to an extent.

I am curious about the economics of food courts. I used to go to a place where you could get a plate piled high with fried rice, fresh vegetables and big chunks of chicken thigh meat for $7.50, with a pretty reasonable spicy sauce. There was always friendly, fast service and sometimes a few extras thrown in.

Up the street at the name gourmet restaurant you would pay $18-$22 for something similar.

How does that work? How do the food court people make a profit? If they can make a profit and provide pretty decent quality then why can't we get that from other places?
superlizard
superlizard
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15 Jun 2010 5:28pm
^^^ it's all to do with the attitude... it's what differentiates loosers from non-loosers... no offence to anyone, but if you have good attitude towards life, that will reflect in your work/career/life
choco
choco
SA
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15 Jun 2010 5:17pm
Eat at a Fast Food outlet and you get junior wage service,eat at a trendy restraunt and you get top wage service but farkall food
Gorgo
Gorgo
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15 Jun 2010 5:56pm
I hear what you're saying but that is not the case. Chinese students at food courts, young Aussies working in cafes, sandwich bars etc etc. You can get good quality food at reasonable prices with friendly, helpful service.

They're obviously making money because the businesses are still there several years later on. The people are making a living because I see them driving a late model car into the car park. The rents in the CBD must be astronomical.

The cute chicks at the cafe always have a smile and I hear about their weekends clubbing or plans for a trip OS. They're doing whatever anybody else is doing. They're not totally impoverished or bitter or grumpy.

So how can one business sector keep on doing it without too much major stress, while another business makes mega-profits peddling an inferior product with bad service?

Oop! I think I just answered my own question.
Mark _australia
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15 Jun 2010 5:40pm
grumplestiltskin said...

The trouble is, these days its too easy for these kids (actually not only kids, everyone) to get jobs.

Because the shops are crying out for staff, the employees hold the power and get away with attitudes you would never have gotten away with 20 years ago.

I know I sound like some old fart carrying on about the 'ol days (coz I am)

When you actually had to compete for jobs you were bloody happy to get one, and your attitude matched.

Combine the above with the Unfair Dismissal Laws and its suddenly impossible to get rid of someone no matter how bad they, or their attitude, are.


Too right. When I was at uni in the early 1990's you could not get a job. After applying for about 100 jobs, I got one pumping petrol at a servcie station and that had 30 applicants.... only got it as my parents knew some bloke who knew someone etc etc. Now they advertise for similar jobs and consistently get no applicants as Gen X seem to think they can do nothing at school, and get offered a $100K job when they have no skills.
Trouble is, in WA the mining boom reinforced that perception - people with little skills can get a high paid job as a cleaner or in a kitchen up north, and Maccas / HJ's / KFC etc in Perth employ the dopes, or desperate 14 y/o's for very little pay.
The service is disgraceful at most retail outlets as a result.
And you are right - my god they get away with things that would result in instant dismissal as recently as 10 years ago



busterwa
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15 Jun 2010 7:35pm



;-) is this have a winge week!!!!
colinwill78
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15 Jun 2010 9:53pm
I find the rudest and most out of touch people are aged between 50-65. They're worse than mums with prams!
doggie
doggie
WA
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15 Jun 2010 8:06pm
colinwill78 said...

I find the rudest and most out of touch people are aged between 50-65. They're worse than mums with prams!


Dont get me started.
doggie
doggie
WA
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15 Jun 2010 8:13pm
busterwa said...




;-) is this have a winge week!!!!


That was so good [}:)] Michael Douglas at his best! I feel his pain!
mineral1
mineral1
WA
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15 Jun 2010 8:17pm
colinwill78 said...

I find the rudest and most out of touch people are aged between 50-65. They're worse than mums with prams!


Probably because they get fed up with listening to your whinny, me me mine lar lar sh1t
decrepit
decrepit
WA
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15 Jun 2010 8:17pm
colinwill78 said...

I find the rudest and most out of touch people are aged between 50-65. They're worse than mums with prams!


Oh well, I'll be OK next year then???
saltiest1
saltiest1
NSW
2575 posts
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15 Jun 2010 10:43pm
business is cranking here. guess why?? good service.


and i enjoy what i do.
OceanBlue64
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16 Jun 2010 8:53am
There is always the other side of the coin. I work in a customer service industry - warranty repairs on brown goods for quite a few major brands and it is often very hard to be 'nice' to customers whan all you get is abuse and customers arrogant demands.
Lets face it - if you want good service, treat the people who serve you with a little respect. We are just trying to do our job.


In saying that, some customer service staff are just hopeless.
saltiest1
saltiest1
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16 Jun 2010 9:48am
OceanBlue64 said...

There is always the other side of the coin. I work in a customer service industry - warranty repairs on brown goods for quite a few major brands and it is often very hard to be 'nice' to customers whan all you get is abuse and customers arrogant demands.
Lets face it - if you want good service, treat the people who serve you with a little respect. We are just trying to do our job.


In saying that, some customer service staff are just hopeless.




theres a lot of people who are sick of dud gear they buy as well though. when i buy something these days, i almost expect to bring it back for a replacement its happened so often now.
OceanBlue64
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16 Jun 2010 10:30am
saltiest1 said...

OceanBlue64 said...

There is always the other side of the coin. I work in a customer service industry - warranty repairs on brown goods for quite a few major brands and it is often very hard to be 'nice' to customers whan all you get is abuse and customers arrogant demands.
Lets face it - if you want good service, treat the people who serve you with a little respect. We are just trying to do our job.


In saying that, some customer service staff are just hopeless.



theres a lot of people who are sick of dud gear they buy as well though. when i buy something these days, i almost expect to bring it back for a replacement its happened so often now.


Thats a real good reason to be rude to the guy who fixes it

Lets face it - everyone wants things/services for stuff all money. You get what you pay for. You want a $2 burger - dont expect full table service. You want a $2000 plasma for $599 - dont expect it to last.
Gizmo
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SA
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16 Jun 2010 10:25am
OceanBlue64 said...

You get what you pay for. You want a $2 burger - don't expect full table service.



I'm not complaining on the food (its what I expected and paid for) it was the poor service that annoyed me along with the lack of motivation of the staff, which costs NOTHING!!!.
I waited patiently 14 minutes (timed on the order picking screen) to get served.
If people think this level of service is "normal" we are ALL in for a downhill slide.
Why can some stores get it so right and others go so WRONG in the same food chain?
doggie
doggie
WA
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16 Jun 2010 9:04am
Gizmo said...

OceanBlue64 said...

You get what you pay for. You want a $2 burger - don't expect full table service.



I'm not complaining on the food (its what I expected and paid for) it was the poor service that annoyed me along with the lack of motivation of the staff, which costs NOTHING!!!.
I waited patiently 14 minutes (timed on the order picking screen) to get served.
If people think this level of service is "normal" we are ALL in for a downhill slide.
Why can some stores get it so right and others go so WRONG in the same food chain?



How bad is it when you, as well as them can see how long its taking and you can see that they dont really care. I waited at another burger chain after placing my order and the same thing happened but 5 people got served infront of me.
When I went to the manager he said he would fix it then I waited another 10 mins and he ****ed it up as well Im a laid back kinda bloke but that got fired up.
OceanBlue64
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16 Jun 2010 11:42am
doggie said...

Gizmo said...

OceanBlue64 said...

You get what you pay for. You want a $2 burger - don't expect full table service.



I'm not complaining on the food (its what I expected and paid for) it was the poor service that annoyed me along with the lack of motivation of the staff, which costs NOTHING!!!.
I waited patiently 14 minutes (timed on the order picking screen) to get served.
If people think this level of service is "normal" we are ALL in for a downhill slide.
Why can some stores get it so right and others go so WRONG in the same food chain?



How bad is it when you, as well as them can see how long its taking and you can see that they dont really care. I waited at another burger chain after placing my order and the same thing happened but 5 people got served infront of me.
When I went to the manager he said he would fix it then I waited another 10 mins and he ****ed it up as well Im a laid back kinda bloke but that got fired up.


I do agree that there is shocking service from some of these outlets. It really comes down to poor management. I have walked out of a few of these type of outlets without buying anything just due to poor service.
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