Dog in an apartment block

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elbeau
elbeau
WA
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22 Dec 2011 10:49am
We have bought an apartment in Port Macquarie and hoped to move in along with our

faithful family dog of many years. Clean, quiet, healthy and friendly with a vets letter

confirming this. Now blocked by anal owners of other units. We look like heading for

mediation then arbitration if that doesn't work. Any clues please from those that have

faced a similar situation.
Carantoc
Carantoc
WA
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22 Dec 2011 10:54am
Swap it for two cats

Everybody happy
RPM
RPM
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22 Dec 2011 11:05am
elbeau said...

We have bought an apartment in Port Macquarie and hoped to move in along with our

faithful family dog of many years. Clean, quiet, healthy and friendly with a vets letter

confirming this. Now blocked by anal owners of other units. We look like heading for

mediation then arbitration if that doesn't work. Any clues please from those that have

faced a similar situation.


Good luck going against a BC. You will not win when it is in regards to dogs in appartments.

We had a woman living in our appartment complex and she had a painfull little white tampon with 4 legs. I have no problem making a complaint to get it removed as I cant stand maltese terriers.

If it was a staffy, brittish bulldog or a boxer then happy days!
felixdcat
felixdcat
WA
3519 posts
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22 Dec 2011 11:10am
It is your appartement tell them to stick it up their anal bit!. If they give you shiiiiit play hard rock flat out all day b4 10-00pm swear a lot and be an arsse hole![}:)]
Buy a white stick and go around pretending you are blind and tell the ****s that it is a guide dog.
Telle them your missus is deff and it is an alarm dog to tell her when the door bell is ringing or the gaz is leaking....
dusta
dusta
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22 Dec 2011 11:46am
even though you own the unit you don't own the complex . Therefore you have to conform to BC rules . Sucks but thats how it is and thats why living in a strata environment sucks the wang bigtime .
mattyjee
mattyjee
WA
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22 Dec 2011 12:04pm
Next time they mention it say "what dog? I don't have a dog. I only have my mother in law staying with us for a while. what are you implying?"
FlySurfer
FlySurfer
NSW
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22 Dec 2011 3:14pm
Family member vs apartment?

Family wins.

Try bribing the other residents... Hello my new dear neighbour, what will it take for you to be happy with my 4 legged son living with me?
Mobydisc
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22 Dec 2011 3:41pm
Dogs and apartments don't mix. Dogs need to exercise and space to move. They need somewhere outside to go for a piss and defacation. Dogs who are in enclosed spaces when their bosses are out start barking. They make the place stink of dog too.

If the strata made an exception for one person, other people would want the same exemption to apply for them too and thats fair enough. Then before you knew it some idiot would have half a dozen dogs in their flat and make the building uninhabitable for the rest of the residents.

I live in a flat, and its a pain as it limits your freedom. However the rules are necessary for a bunch of people to live together reasonably peacefully who have little in common besides they live in the same building. The trade off for me its close to where I work and a major train station. Plus its been a good investment since we bought it.

Whats the solution here? I don't know of any besides moving or getting rid of the dog. Pretty sad situation either way. I'd love to have a dog but if I did I'd have to move to my house which is out of the city and would be a long commute to work. Not having a dog is one of the prices I pay to live in a unit.






pweedas
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22 Dec 2011 12:41pm
dusta said...

even though you own the unit you don't own the complex . Therefore you have to conform to BC rules . Sucks but thats how it is and thats why living in a strata environment sucks the wang bigtime .


That's pretty much it.
The rules are set up based on long experience and previous problems with various owners over the years and unfortunately, pets of any description are a major part of these problems.
If it was legal, children would be included too.

If an exception is made for you because you say your dog never has fleas and never makes a noise and doesn't dig in the garden and doesn't drop big steaming darkies on the lawn, then the rules go out the window for everyone and it ends up that anyone can keep anything.
The other problem is that dogs chosen for unit life are usually the small yapping variety that like to sit behind the front window and bark their silly heads off at anything that moves anywhere on the complex, mostly when the owner is not home.

It's one of the big downsides to living in a strata development of any sort.

You are highly unlikely to get anywhere with this one.
The rules were there when you bought in so you either accept them and buy or you don't accept them and buy elsewhere.

If you make a big fuss about this you will almost certainly lose and end up living amongst a whole lot of people you have now rubbed up the wrong way.
Same in the unlikely event that you win, only more so.


pweedas
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22 Dec 2011 12:44pm
Wow! I think I might have been channelling Mobydisc.
felixdcat
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22 Dec 2011 3:21pm
Let your flat to some cashed up bogans! after 2 weeks the other tennants/owner will beg you to comeback with your dog![}:)]
Skid
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22 Dec 2011 7:18pm
Suspect you will have little chance of changing the BC rules. Perhaps Flysurfers "Hello my new dear neighbour, what will it take for you to be happy with my 4 legged son living with me?" might work. Possibly followed up with, "I am going to get him into therapy, he thinks he's a dog"

Failing that, there might be some ideas here... www.27bslash6.com/strata.html

I have a similar but different problem, my girl and I would like to breed some rare breed chickens. The only problem is that requires a rooster. It seems the only way to make sure a rooster doesn't crow on Sunday morning is to eat him on Saturday night
elbeau
elbeau
WA
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22 Dec 2011 6:27pm
Skid said...

Suspect you will have little chance of changing the BC rules. Perhaps Flysurfers "Hello my new dear neighbour, what will it take for you to be happy with my 4 legged son living with me?" might work. Possibly followed up with, "I am going to get him into therapy, he thinks he's a dog"

Failing that, there might be some ideas here... www.27bslash6.com/strata.html

I have a similar but different problem, my girl and I would like to breed some rare breed chickens. The only problem is that requires a rooster. It seems the only way to make sure a rooster doesn't crow on Sunday morning is to eat him on Saturday night


Thanks Skid. Funny read.
elbeau
elbeau
WA
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22 Dec 2011 6:32pm
Moby and Pweedas. The dog already lives in an apartment elsewhere and she is no

problem. Clean quiet and well behaved. She is exercised regularly.The difference is the

type of people that live there. They like her and see her as an asset, burglar deterrent

etc. There are no queues of people trying to move 6 dogs in. Just a friendly

neighourhood apartment block. The strata doesn't prohibit dogs and states that animals

cannot be excluded without a good reason. We will take it further.
gibberjoe
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SA
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22 Dec 2011 9:21pm

How many....Hamburglers do you get a week >???????
pweedas
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22 Dec 2011 9:36pm
elbeau said...

The strata doesn't prohibit dogs and states that animals

cannot be excluded without a good reason. We will take it further.


Oh. That's different. If the strata rules don't exclude pets then you have every right to have one. Cat, dog, goldfish,.. whatever.
I'm surprised it's not in the rules but if it's not then you should win.
Good luck.
Haircut
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23 Dec 2011 12:26am
It's unfortunate that BC committees generally attract retirees with too much free time and who lack normal hobbies to keep them occupied, and the BC becomes the hobby, which often spells bad news for everyone not retired and living in the strata.

The trick is for the committee to find a balance that suits most of the occupants, without turning it into a retirement village, but with a committee being made up of 65 - 85 yo's a retirement village seems to be how it ends up

i hope you get to live there with your dog










seafever17
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WA
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23 Dec 2011 12:04am
Dont give up.
Go around and door knock your new neighbours.Bring your wife or your mum and the dog.
Intrduce yourselves as the new owners of number x. Wish them a merry xmas and chat for a while. Keep chatting! When it seems right and the ice has really been broken then give a card and unwrapped box of chocalates. Clearly they have not got a gift for you.This will make them feel a bit awkward. Now they owe you. Offer them salvation in the way of a signature for your letter saying that they dont object to you and your family moving in. Thank them sincerely either way.
Repeat.
If that fails then you don't want too surround yourself with folks like that. Move on.
wodgina6722
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229 posts
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23 Dec 2011 3:08am
Dog owners are mental. They seem to be completely oblivious to the constant barking, pissing and pooing their neighbours have to put up with.

How many times I've heard ' but my dogs well behaved' yeah right...

They are not anal you're disrespectful

cisco
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23 Dec 2011 12:32pm
We love dogs and have a Ridgeback X that lives with us on a quarter acre block. She usually gets walked twice a day.

Anything short of the above situation we believe is unfair to the animal.

We have lived in medium density units and just do not believe having cats or dogs on site is fair to the animals or the neighbours.

Next door to us, unfortuneately, are six units on the same size block as us, at which the body corp and owners allow pets. There are 4 dogs there and they are locked up all day and they howl all day and there is nothing we can do about it.

I thought it was, and believe it should be a by law of all councils to disallow the keeping of pets such as dogs or cats at medium and high density residential sites.
Ados
Ados
WA
421 posts
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23 Dec 2011 10:52am
wodgina6722 said...

Dog owners are mental. They seem to be completely oblivious to the constant barking, pissing and pooing their neighbours have to put up with.

How many times I've heard ' but my dogs well behaved' yeah right...

They are not anal you're disrespectful




wow, easy there tiger....he was just asking for advice...Sure, there are some dog owners that don't do the right thing, but can't we give him the benefit of the doubt here?
as for Strata places, we live in a villa that is in a strata title but unless there are specific guidelines saying we can't do this or that, then we pretty much ignore them. We are very good friends with our neighbours so as long as we keep it sweet with them, then we do what we please.
pweedas
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23 Dec 2011 10:58am
Haircut said...

It's unfortunate that BC committees generally attract retirees with too much free time and who lack normal hobbies to keep them occupied, and the BC becomes the hobby, which often spells bad news for everyone not retired and living in the strata.

The trick is for the committee to find a balance that suits most of the occupants, without turning it into a retirement village, but with a committee being made up of 65 - 85 yo's a retirement village seems to be how it ends up



That would be nice if everyone put their hand up to volunteer for the strata council at the annual general meeting.
The reality is that many people do not even bother to turn up to the AGM and almost no one volunteers to go on the council.
The younger ones excuse themselves on the grounds of "too busy with work (or anything else they can think of)"
The older ones excuse themselves on the grounds of medical conditions or often being away or not qualified, or anything else they can think of.
So you end up with the strata council consisting of the few who realised that if no one did it the whole BC would fall apart, backed up by a few more who couldn't think of a good excuse in a hurry.

It's a totally thankless task.
No matter what decisions are made there is always someone who is not happy with it and you cop flack.
Why would anyone want to volunteer for that?
They wouldn't, and they don't.



Ados
Ados
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421 posts
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23 Dec 2011 11:15am
cisco said...

We love dogs and have a Ridgeback X that lives with us on a quarter acre block. She usually gets walked twice a day.

Anything short of the above situation we believe is unfair to the animal.

We have lived in medium density units and just do not believe having cats or dogs on site is fair to the animals or the neighbours.

Next door to us, unfortuneately, are six units on the same size block as us, at which the body corp and owners allow pets. There are 4 dogs there and they are locked up all day and they howl all day and there is nothing we can do about it.

I thought it was, and believe it should be a by law of all councils to disallow the keeping of pets such as dogs or cats at medium and high density residential sites.


Have you been to Paris? people there live with their dogs in apartments etc - you see them in restaurants and are welcomed in most places. Oz is pretty dog-unfriendly compared to other places I think.
A good example of dog owners behaving responsibly is Leighton dog beach.

Yes, I love dogs too

wodgina6722
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23 Dec 2011 7:46pm
Dog owners are oblivous such as Ado and French are diicks.

If you people were such dog lovers you wouldn't leave them at home in a tiny appartment 'yapping' for 10 hours a day.
youngbull
youngbull
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23 Dec 2011 11:38pm
wodgina6722 said...

Dog owners are oblivous such as Ado and French are diicks.

If you people were such dog lovers you wouldn't leave them at home in a tiny appartment 'yapping' for 10 hours a day.



I agree with 2nd paragraph, don't know about other one.

I love dogs as much as the next person. I live in a rental so I own other pets. No biggie.

It boggles my brain why animal lover's cry about an issue of this nature. It's an apartment. The B.C is there for a reason. If your neighbor liked heavy metal full noise you would complain to the B.C as would everyone else for a dog barking and the smell. IMO give the dog away to family or friends. Stop wasting your time and fight for something to add to this country.

evlPanda
evlPanda
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24 Dec 2011 2:12am
Just ask your dog to call the body corp and explain the situation.



Ados
Ados
WA
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24 Dec 2011 7:37pm
wodgina6722 said...

Dog owners are oblivous such as Ado and French are diicks.

If you people were such dog lovers you wouldn't leave them at home in a tiny appartment 'yapping' for 10 hours a day.



I won't stoop so low as to call you a name (what are you, 13 years old?) anyhoo,
my dog died about 3 years ago, just after my son was born. he was loved and was part of the family. he was a staffy and never was left alone. best mate for years.
You were obviously touched my a dog in a weird place many years ago..
please get some professional help mate.


lotofwind
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24 Dec 2011 11:32pm
wodgina6722 said...

Dog owners are oblivous such as Ado and French are diicks.


If I had to make the choice to either have my dog put down or wodvgina6722 put down,
I woud have to send a gift basket to wodvgina6722's family.
Haircut
Haircut
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26 Dec 2011 2:31pm
pweedas said...


It's a totally thankless task.
No matter what decisions are made there is always someone who is not happy with it and you cop flack.
Why would anyone want to volunteer for that?
They wouldn't, and they don't.



yep, agree. I think in the situation you describe above, if there are a spread of ages living in the complex with some disgruntled residents, and if it tends to only be senior aged people volunteering, employing external services to handle the BC matters is the way to go, rather than having residents doing the job. I appreciate it adds to the BC fee, but one would hope everything is handled fairly and more professionally as a result.

Though personally I've found that those volunteering for the sake of having the position filled because no one else wants to do it are quite down to earth. It's been the overly passionate ones who thrive on being a BC committee member that end up being a headache for almost everyone else





sn
sn
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26 Dec 2011 2:22pm
wodgina6722 said...

most parents are mental. They seem to be completely oblivious to the constant noise, smell and mess their neighbours have to put up with.

How many times I've heard ' but my kids are well behaved' yeah right...

They are not anal you're disrespectful


fixed it for you

not being nasty wodgy, but its all in how they are brought up, dogs OR kids

having said that- I agree with you that dogs should not be left shut in a small apartment/ flat/ villa or whatever by themselves- its just not fair on anyone- including the dog.

On another thread- I guess you work at Wodgina- wotcha doing there- I used to be there a couple of years ago, loved the place (apart from the flies, dust, heat, humidity, mud, stinkbugs, annoying shutdown crews, Gupta the dodgy mining engineer, being woken up by cattle headbutting our dongas) kinda miss the place- never got bored!

Stephen
seanhogan
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26 Dec 2011 5:55pm
vadgina, I think you wanted to say "french have big dicks and my bum still hurts"....
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