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ThePhil
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27 May 2013 11:11pm
FormulaNova
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28 May 2013 6:29am
What's the point Phil? How should the playing field be leveled? In simple terms? You need to have a simple solution otherwise no one will understand it, let alone implement it.

For a moment there I thought you were going to torch the VW. I guess it does carry that much petrol though, so would be hard to ignite.



lightwood
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28 May 2013 8:59am
He also didn't allow for gst credits in his sums.
gibberjoe
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28 May 2013 9:26am

ford & . gm are producers in many many countries australia imports many models from these outlets

Australian vechicle production runs are too small to be economic so these plants are being closed.

the product will be imported like mazda. The ford & gm brand will go on being sold here and near the

same amount of people will be required, to service the industry. when you buy a ford or gm vehicle

the biggest part of the profit goes to the overseas masters....
ThePhil
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28 May 2013 10:26am
FormulaNova said..

What's the point Phil? How should the playing field be leveled? In simple terms? You need to have a simple solution otherwise no one will understand it, let alone implement it.

For a moment there I thought you were going to torch the VW. I guess it does carry that much petrol though, so would be hard to ignite.





You just lower the $1,000 threshold and say you will have a fine for anybody flaunting it. Same that they already do just with a lower threshold.
lightwood said..

He also didn't allow for gst credits in his sums.


Yea allowed for cos it's the overall cost to the consumer. i.e. go through me pay it, go through others don't.
pweedas
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28 May 2013 1:14pm
It's a bit more complicated than just counting the dollars per Ford employee. There are a whole lot of people not directly employed by Ford who will feel the pinch when they close down so you need to include those in the calculation.
Also, there are Australian car parts manufacturers who supply parts to the industry who will be affected and will have to scale down their ops or could even be forced to shut down altogether if their business is already marginal, and given the diminishing number of people who buy Australian made cars then that's quite possible.

I think the bottom line is, do we want a local car industry or not?
If not, then let things run their course and in 10 years they will all be gone.
Not too much different to a whole lot of other Australian manufacturing businesses. It seems we can't even make our own underdacks any more. That important job has been shipped offshore with almost everything else.
If we do want to keep some sort of manufacturing capacity, then we are obliged to look for ways to support them.
With cars, that could start by getting the government and Australian companies to buy Australian cars.
It's truly pathetic that a large proportion of guvvy cars are toyotas and hondas and anything except Australian cars, and then have to hand over my tax money to support the industry that they torpedoed by their own neglect.
But hey, isn't that what governments are good at? Spending my hard earned money?
FormulaNova
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28 May 2013 1:23pm
ThePhil said..

FormulaNova said..

What's the point Phil? How should the playing field be leveled? In simple terms? You need to have a simple solution otherwise no one will understand it, let alone implement it.

For a moment there I thought you were going to torch the VW. I guess it does carry that much petrol though, so would be hard to ignite.





You just lower the $1,000 threshold and say you will have a fine for anybody flaunting it. Same that they already do just with a lower threshold.




I agree. They should lower it, so they will catch more GST.

From my dark/evil side, I would suggest that if the government 'randomly' lost items and paid the 'declared value' as compensation to the purchaser, I think there would be a more honest compliance with declaring the true value You wouldn't declare your kite as only being $200 if it could be lost and you only got paid the $200...


Trouble is, it must be a bit difficult to police, although lowering the value would be a good start. Maybe even just set a constant 12.5% levy on everything and be done with it. Anything that comes in must pay that amount or be processed in order to drop it down to any lower value.

I, probably like some people, think you should get a level playing field, I'm just not sure how it is going to happen.

FormulaNova
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28 May 2013 1:27pm
pweedas said..

With cars, that could start by getting the government and Australian companies to buy Australian cars.
It's truly pathetic that a large proportion of guvvy cars are toyotas and hondas and anything except Australian cars, and then have to hand over my tax money to support the industry that they torpedoed by their own neglect.


I think that's exactly what they should be doing. Who cares if the employees want a choice in the car they get. Take an Aussie car or none.

I don't want to be encouraging a government employee to buy an imported car, just because they like it.


Pugwash
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28 May 2013 1:50pm
^^^ That's a good idea. Take the choice away from government employees. They are unintelligent and biased. Take away their vote as well
felixdcat
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28 May 2013 2:23pm
Dear Mr Government, I have a small buisness building overpriced outdated equipment that no one wants to buy! Could you send me $ 20 million to help me?
busterwa
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28 May 2013 5:51pm

100 years and the only thing Ford has invented is a passenger under-seat compartment for a woman's shoe.




Issa
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28 May 2013 6:52pm
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Haircut
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30 May 2013 10:35pm
they'll all be back, somewhere down the track
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