Has the sky fallen in yet?

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log man
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1 Jul 2012 12:03pm
When should we expect the end of civilization as we know it? The Carbon Tax is in and Tony's on his way out.
Gizmo
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1 Jul 2012 11:41am
"Has the sky fallen in yet? "........... It has for many boat people floating in the ocean north of Australia
mineral1
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1 Jul 2012 11:05am
log man said...

When should we expect the end of civilization as we know it? The Carbon Tax is in and Tony's on his way out.


Tony the mad Monk reckons he is going to repeal the carbon tax Not sure how is will do this, as he (if elected) cant get control of the senate for at least 18 months, and the chances of him ousting those water melons (Greens) is a good as a snow ball in hell
By the time he has any chance of doing any thing, the carbon trading scheme, the one the conservatives came up with, and cant have.... just yet, will be in place. That's the scheme where "friends" of elected, get in on the ground floor and flog paper chips as "carbon credits" and make a fortune out of bugger all.
So every time I see and hear him ummn and arrrn in the media, I get a small chill knowing he is nothing short of a black faced liar, like ninety nine percent of all those in office
BabaORiley
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1 Jul 2012 3:37pm
Log man my man, if your going to post anything with sky in the title, please say something in there about there being nothing about chem trails in the article.
I was disapointed to read more politicle rant.
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1 Jul 2012 5:13pm
log man said...

When should we expect the end of civilization as we know it? The Carbon Tax is in and Tony's on his way out.


Nah, Jools is goneski so too the rest of the debt loving Socialists running the show.
Little Jon
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1 Jul 2012 8:58pm
No it is still up there
swoosh
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1 Jul 2012 9:08pm
log man said...

When should we expect the end of civilization as we know it? The Carbon Tax is in and Tony's on his way out.


a pretty good example of the quality of political journalism in this country at the moment. no wonder the political system has turned into some kinda of absurd popularity contest.
Mobydisc
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1 Jul 2012 9:08pm
Yeah the sky still up there. However history shows dramatic ends usually start with small beginnings.

Electricity is going up about 20% in NSW. About 10% of the rise is attributed to the carbon tax. Nothing much many can do to reduce household power consumption as its already quite low and has been reducing in recent time. So basically its a tax that cannot be avoided and won't change behaviour unless we decide to suffer from poor health from living in a freezing house through winter.

If Gillard and co were really concerned about climate change or whatever the latest term is, they'd outlaw the export of coal from Australia, or institute some sort of carbon tax on the exported coal.

Its disgusting that a tax on burning coal is levied on Australian consumers, as increased business taxes will be passed onto consumers, while every hour of the day huge ships set sail with Australian coal.


SandS
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1 Jul 2012 9:22pm
It may do when the rest off Australia and me starts burning their wood fire again to save cash .
We stopped burning wood two years ago , even though it's available and reasonably priced .

Well now , the electric heaters will be boosted with the good old smokey fire !

Breath deeply Jules and loggy
Mobydisc
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1 Jul 2012 9:26pm
SandS said...

It may do when the rest off Australia and me starts burning their wood fire again to save cash .
We stopped burning wood two years ago , even though it's available and reasonably priced .

Well now , the electric heaters will be boosted with the good old smokey fire !

Breath deeply Jules and loggy


Yeah,

might move back to the farm and chop down and cut up some trees for firewood. All it costs is a bit of labour, a few litres of petrol and a bit of chainsaw maintenance.

Nothing like a good wood fire to give character to a house. No need for a TV either, just watch the fire. Its wonderful.

Carantoc
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1 Jul 2012 8:28pm
log man said...

When should we expect the end of civilization as we know it? The Carbon Tax is in and Tony's on his way out.


When should we expect the end of climate change as we know it ? The Carbon Tax is in and global warming is on its way out.
log man
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2 Jul 2012 1:10am
Carantoc said...

log man said...

When should we expect the end of civilization as we know it? The Carbon Tax is in and Tony's on his way out.


When should we expect the end of climate change as we know it ? The Carbon Tax is in and global warming is on its way out.


the science is looking more and more certain, the legislation is passed, both liberal and labour agree it's happening, both agree on the targets.......it's over......denial is over.
petermac33
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2 Jul 2012 2:26am
Yes denial is over and the science is agreed that CO2 causes the earth to heat and to cool Much in the same way that a log fire can cause your house to heat or to act like a fridge and cool.

And don't forget fire can also cause three superstructures to fall symmetrically [into the path of most resistance] in near free-fall speed into a very,very convenient little pile.
Ricochet
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2 Jul 2012 9:17am
the sky hasnt fallen yet but wow the polls have
Sailhack
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2 Jul 2012 10:14am
^^^ @PM33 - oh dear!

doggie
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2 Jul 2012 11:52am
petermac33 said...

Yes denial is over and the science is agreed that CO2 causes the earth to heat and to cool Much in the same way that a log fire can cause your house to heat or to act like a fridge and cool.

And don't forget fire can also cause three superstructures to fall symmetrically [into the path of most resistance] in near free-fall speed into a very,very convenient little pile.


Really tell me more Peter
Cambodge
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2 Jul 2012 1:55pm
Isn't the path of most resistance also the path of the only force that is operating, namely gravity?
Sailhack
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2 Jul 2012 2:50pm
doggie said...



Really that quenches my thirst on that subject...thank you Peter


doggie
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2 Jul 2012 12:52pm
Sailhack said...

doggie said...



Really that quenches my thirst on that subject...thank you Peter





Ricochet
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3 Jul 2012 9:40am
lightwood said...

What was this dude thinking?

http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne/funny-stuff/bad-medicine/blog/video-craig-emerson-breaks-into-random-song-about-whyalla/20120702-gmih.html


it show the level of intelligence of the sort of people running our country after the next election they will have to change the partys name to the 'tarago party' cos thats about all the seats they will manage to keep
log man
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3 Jul 2012 1:22pm
Ricochet said...

lightwood said...

What was this dude thinking?

http://www.triplem.com.au/melbourne/funny-stuff/bad-medicine/blog/video-craig-emerson-breaks-into-random-song-about-whyalla/20120702-gmih.html


it show the level of intelligence of the sort of people running our country after the next election they will have to change the partys name to the 'tarago party' cos thats about all the seats they will manage to keep


Awww come on your lot have got Barnaby......and he's going to be deputy prime minister.......good god!
Carantoc
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3 Jul 2012 11:43am
log man said...

When should we expect the end of civilization as we know it?


December 21st 2012

Don't worry about the carbon tax when all those volcanoes go off, the giant lizard overlords arrive and Obama accidentally admits the twin towers was an inside job.


CMC
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3 Jul 2012 1:45pm
The only way Tony Abbott could remove the (socialist policy) Carbon Tax hitting businesses for additional tax revenue would be to increase GST (conservative policy).

That way the rich make more money, the worker just pays more for everything. While doing that he can finish the job of removing all laws regarding employment rights to really maximize the profits of his rich mates. Meanwhile, cut health spending, education and everything else the average Aussie relies upon but hey... No national debt right?? Fantastic. That's all that's important right??

The best policy of course would be somewhere in the middle.
SandS
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3 Jul 2012 9:06pm
This wood fire is is going off !!!!!!
japie
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3 Jul 2012 10:38pm
Mobydisc said...

If Gillard and co were really concerned about climate change or whatever the latest term is, they'd outlaw the export of coal from Australia, or institute some sort of carbon tax on the exported coal.

Its disgusting that a tax on burning coal is levied on Australian consumers, as increased business taxes will be passed onto consumers, while every hour of the day huge ships set sail with Australian coal.



Mobes my man, I have just moved from Newcastle, which is reputed to have the biggest coal loading terminal in the southern hemisphere, to Gladstone which surely has the second biggest. I have to cross the train line from the Bowen basin to get home. It is almost like there is a continuous train of coal they are so frequent and so long. And they are busy expanding both the Newcastle one and the Gladstone one. Plus they are not the only ones, there are more up the coast!

The logic just escapes me entirely. Unless perhaps it is a surreptitious attempt at discovering just how pliable and gormless they have managed to render the Australian population?
Little Jon
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4 Jul 2012 7:54am
CMC said...

The only way Tony Abbott could remove the (socialist policy) Carbon Tax hitting businesses for additional tax revenue would be to increase GST (conservative policy).

That way the rich make more money, the worker just pays more for everything. While doing that he can finish the job of removing all laws regarding employment rights to really maximize the profits of his rich mates. Meanwhile, cut health spending, education and everything else the average Aussie relies upon but hey... No national debt right?? Fantastic. That's all that's important right??

The best policy of course would be somewhere in the middle.


Rich people should pay their taxes too and stop bludging off the poor. If Abbott was so worried about the economy he would get rid of the gst but he knows gst is a tax on the poor as the wealthy don't pay gst.

Mobydisc
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4 Jul 2012 8:23am
japie said...


Mobes my man, I have just moved from Newcastle, which is reputed to have the biggest coal loading terminal in the southern hemisphere, to Gladstone which surely has the second biggest. I have to cross the train line from the Bowen basin to get home. It is almost like there is a continuous train of coal they are so frequent and so long. And they are busy expanding both the Newcastle one and the Gladstone one. Plus they are not the only ones, there are more up the coast!

The logic just escapes me entirely. Unless perhaps it is a surreptitious attempt at discovering just how pliable and gormless they have managed to render the Australian population?


Yes,

I'd like to see anyone who is convinced the carbon tax is a good way to reduce Australian carbon dioxide emissions to drive to Newcastle or Gladstone and just spend an hour by the train tracks watching train after train carrying thousands of tonnes of coal for export. Then let them think about how Australia can help reduce the emissions of carbon dioxide.

If the buring of coal is such a sin then this industry is a monster.



lightwood
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4 Jul 2012 8:48am
How do you figure the wealthy don't pay GST?
CMC
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5 Jul 2012 4:46pm
The Accounting professor at the local Uni told me they have done papers and studied the real effects of the Carbon Tax.

The Academic opinion is that at its current level the cost to business will not make a big enough difference to them to take any real action or make decisions to generate less Carbon.

Reality is it's a tax brought in under the guise of environmentalism as it's the softest way to introduce it. Rely upon peoples environmental conscience.

I don't know about you but i'd prefer the government to just come out and say with an ageing population and reduction in tax revenue additional tax was required. This is the case no matter how it's collected.

Abbott has no idea, no miracles. If you remove the tax from one end he has to find another way to collect it.

The tip is and if you look at the main deciding point at the last election with a hung parliament the billions of dollars unaccounted for in Abbotts budget papers that it was better for them to say it was a mistake than reveal the plan to increase the tax revenue to fill the hole. Odds on it was an increase to GST which would have been a lot less popular than a carbon tax......
Kiting
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5 Jul 2012 3:32pm
Another little tax to add to the multitude of other little taxes that "arent much extra". Will make zero difference to carbon emissions, cost Australia whilst rewarding our competitors.

Assuming the gov then distributes ALL proceeds to renewable energy concepts it deems the best, instead of those the free market would have allocated to once viable, rewarding the unsustainable and hampering the actual solution. As a result, the move toward renewable energy to take even longer over the long term.

Another destructive measure over the long term. But yes, the sky has not fallen in over night, it was never the claim. As commodity prices drop and we deal with reality at some point in the future, lets see how our overtaxed businesses compete offshore..

Morally wrong, she has managed to sell it to the illinformed though, sounds great in theory I suppose.
Little Jon
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5 Jul 2012 8:37pm
me thinks businesses are grossly undertaxed, about time those bludgers started pulling their weight
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