Insurance claims experience - good and bad

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warwickl
warwickl
NSW
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8 Jul 2013 7:39pm
I am currently going through a claim with GIO and things are not going as well as one would hope, in fact its just appalling.


Just wondering about others experience with insurance companies and in particular GIO, thanks
sn
sn
WA
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sn sn
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8 Jul 2013 6:04pm
What type of claim are you talking about?

motor vehicle, household home and contents, income protection, funeral?

I am being looked after by my income protection policy- and have nothing but praise for how AXA/AMP have looked after me.

stephen
warwickl
warwickl
NSW
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NSW, 2360 posts
8 Jul 2013 8:40pm
sn

Thank you for your comments, my claim is as a Land Lord so tenant type insurance.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23685 posts
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8 Jul 2013 6:41pm
Fair enough they were not my fault but I have claimed twice for crashes when people hit me.
It was a dream both times, not even a bit of paper to sign. Rang up and got a taxi / tow / car fixed, picked it up 4 weeks later.

Panelbeater's ability to return a rare car to factory condition, different story... but the insurance co was brilliant.

Craig66
Craig66
NSW
2466 posts
NSW, 2466 posts
8 Jul 2013 9:06pm
Storm / building insurance

Many years ago.
Storm lasted a few days, damage to building while being built.
Insurance guy called to site and was told that part of damage was last night, rest was the night before.He thinks for a second, and then states that because the damage was on two separate occasions we needed to pay for two separate clams.So instead of a $500 excess we had to pay $1000 What a scam, what a pr….k the insurance guy was (not like it was his money I was claiming)
kiteboy dave
kiteboy dave
QLD
6525 posts
QLD, 6525 posts
8 Jul 2013 10:05pm
Insurance always sounds great until you need to use it. Then you've got about 30% chance of getting the compensation you deserve or thought you'd signed up for.

Sibbo V3
Sibbo V3
VIC
110 posts
VIC, 110 posts
9 Jul 2013 12:29am
My car was written off 2 months ago, It clearly wasnt my fault. I had very good service from a big name company and money in my account in less than 8 business days later. I'll wont be changing insurance providers.
elmo
elmo
WA
8894 posts
WA, 8894 posts
8 Jul 2013 11:38pm
Had my wife Mazda RX4 coupe car 3 in a 5 car pile up 20 years ago, had the damage accessed, insurance wanted to write it of for it's $2000 market value less excess.

Car was rare, so did the work myself with a mate, insurance company didn't want to pay said we weren't registered repairers and that we hadn't approval for repairs.

Unbeknownst to the claims dept I went to their valuer got them to value the car for insurance @$5k which was $3k above the market value told the inspector about the repairs which he was happy to sign of the valuation against.

Next day went in to argue the point where I was again told we were non accredited repairers, the repairs weren't approved and that they were going to just write of the car rather than repair.

I explained slowly that it was a rare car which I didn't want written off as per their desire so the repairs were carried out upon which presented them with their companies new above market rate valuation approval proving that the repairs had been done better than properly the car was now worth in their companies eyes more.

Got the check, told them to stick the new policy as I'd already gone through a broker saving 40% who had no qualms about the car.

Insurance companies generally want you to give up or minimize their payout, stick to your guns, don't get angry, call small claims tribunal or ombudsman for advise.
myusernam
myusernam
QLD
6159 posts
QLD, 6159 posts
9 Jul 2013 8:06pm
It's simple.
Read you policy document. If you dont have it, download it.
It states exactly what u can expect. dont let them give you anything less.
warwickl
warwickl
NSW
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9 Jul 2013 9:02pm
myusernam

Agree with your view.

How would you interpret this from the PDS:

"›› floor coverings are damaged (including tiles)we will pay extra to replace continuously joined undamaged floor coverings of the same material in the same room, stairs, hallway or passageway where the damage occurred"

eg would a room open to a hall (no door) with continuously joined floating timber floor and the room has significant water damage - would the hall be included in the claim?
slammin
slammin
QLD
998 posts
QLD, 998 posts
9 Jul 2013 9:23pm
As a previous landlord my experience was terrible. Lucky we weren't up for too much but I can only wonder how bad it is for others less fortunate than we were.

To give you an idea I rang the Rent Tribunal as the landlord and was basicly told that as most landlords rip the tenant off that was how we would be judged. I then rang up later posing as the tenant and was told how and what to say so that the landlord would have to prove we were lying.

It was a quick lesson in now the agreements are geared so we got out.

Best of luck.
myusernam
myusernam
QLD
6159 posts
QLD, 6159 posts
10 Jul 2013 10:25am
warwickl said..

myusernam

Agree with your view.

How would you interpret this from the PDS:

"?? floor coverings are damaged (including tiles)we will pay extra to replace continuously joined undamaged floor coverings of the same material in the same room, stairs, hallway or passageway where the damage occurred"

eg would a room open to a hall (no door) with continuously joined floating timber floor and the room has significant water damage - would the hall be included in the claim?


of course. they will try it on, just dont give in. read them the clause from the PDS. You have time on your side. They have to resolve claims, the longer it hangs on the books, the worse it is for their KPI's. Just hold out. If it says that in the PDS that's what it means. If they refuse, ask for it to be escalated. Recently suncorp tried the same thing on me with the exact situation. I said I would go all the way to the ombudsman if need be. It was escalated to the internal suncorp arbitration first of all. came back with a 180 degree backflip. You have got to remember they can save millions by saying no initially and holding out on people. Just be polite but firm and say that's what my PDS states and escalate everything till they capitulate. YOU hold the cards in the PDS, not them.

Many years ago on a different claim I rang the sales team as though I was thinking of taking out a new policy, ran the scenario I had suffered past them as a hypothetical, got the answer I wanted and then said I had that exact scenario and I had a policy but they wouldn't pay and asked to be put through to a manager. No need for that though, just read them the clause, take no excuse for an answer and escalate. There is a section in the PDS about disoutes and their internal process. follow that first letting them know you will go to an ombudsman once that avenue is exhausted (all the while politely) It says it in black and white in the PDS. They are legally bound to do so
Supersonic27
Supersonic27
NSW
235 posts
NSW, 235 posts
10 Jul 2013 6:25pm
It is what I do for work, as an external loss adjsuter to several insurance companies.

One of the major insurers, can't mention names, did some training with us, and part of it was an exercise, where the internal claims manager came up with an odd scenario, and went round and asked all his claims staff, about 20 different people. Can't remember exact figures, but 6 or 7 said it would be approve, 6 or 7 said it was a decline, 1 or 2 said unsure and they would refer it on to their team leader, and a couple fluffed around and said a partial acceptance/partial decline.

Unfortunately, it can depend on who you get/who your case manager is, even down to what mood they are in!!! (believe it!)

Insurance companies are just a bunch of mostly average people, who would mostly prefer to be doing something else, who have to interpret a confusing PDS, and want to refer difficult claims onto someone else..... Most days at 5.01pm dont stand near the door!

And going back to that training day, the claims manager with that company, quite high up, said to us to do WHATEVER we could to get the claim thru, AWAYS give the customer the benefit of the doubt, believe whatever the customer says........

I have seen things generally change for the better in the industry, even over the last 5 years. Insurers have worked out that once you lose a customer, you can really never get them back. Also a happy customer that has had a good claims experience, is a good ambassador and will tell their friends.

Also, another thing the public don't realize, and I can divulge here as it is general knowledge, for something to go to Financial ombudsman (FOS). Actually costs the insurer, not you. If you lodge a claim with FOS, FOS immediately send a rather large invoice straight to the insurer.......so if the claim is under about 5K........most companies will roll over.

Keep pushing, be nice about it, never yell at the poor 20 something on the phone, and politely ask how he or she came to that decision, say you disagree and want the claim reviewed.

Good luck!
Chris6791
Chris6791
WA
3271 posts
WA, 3271 posts
10 Jul 2013 6:04pm
As others have said, escalate your claim through their chain of command, don't yell, don't scream, don't make demands. Be reasonable but firm. And don't make the threat of legal action or going to the ombudsman the first card you play, leave that card until you have exhausted all of their options. It's how I got a brand new car out of Ford to replace a lemon a few years ago.

And as I just found out, when you get a renewal notice in the mail jump on their website and get a new quote for the exact same policy/cover, you might find it a bit cheaper. They take the automatic renewals for a ride...

warwickl
warwickl
NSW
2360 posts
NSW, 2360 posts
11 Jul 2013 12:28pm
Thanks for the advice and I have mostly followed it but I admit I spat the dummy once but it was the only way I could get their attention and escalate my claim.

To me it seems the claims team is over coached with standard lines of reply and as such they do not seem to always be listening to the customer.

Based on advice yesterday all should proceed to my satisfaction, time will tell.
jamdfingr
jamdfingr
QLD
663 posts
QLD, 663 posts
11 Jul 2013 4:54pm
Had my $200 second hand kite stolen through break in.

Aami said new for old and wrote a cheque for $2500 for brand new cabrinha kite....

Went to the onboard in Adelaide and bought complete 2nd hand windsurfer setup....

Then bought another $350 2nd hand kite....

Win!
Cassa
Cassa
WA
1305 posts
WA, 1305 posts
11 Jul 2013 3:27pm
4 yrs ago I had an issue with some unruly teens in my neighbourhood, I had a little chat , with them . 2 days later when I went fishing I found that my boat fuel tank had been filled with several litres of water. the prick's had repaid me. reported what happened to the noddy's, they came around , not alot they could do without evidence. They were evicted soon after I notified the owner of the house
Was insured with SGIO , they covered every thing except the service of the motor, complete new fuel injection system at just over 5k', no complaint's from me , great service.
Good luck with your issue!
warwickl
warwickl
NSW
2360 posts
NSW, 2360 posts
11 Jul 2013 8:45pm
well now a twist, approved yesterday as twice before and now not approved today.

5 months down the track and all we have to show is a bare concrete floor in the lounge, dining and kitchen areas.

Lets see what tomorrow brings after my effort to try and have a calm discussion with yet another person - how many more do they have I can talk to?

I thought the claim had been escalated but this now seems like a put off.

I have been told someone will call me tomorrow - sure, to date in 5 months only one phone call back from them advising all approved.
Supersonic27
Supersonic27
NSW
235 posts
NSW, 235 posts
11 Jul 2013 9:32pm
And that is another thing with the code of practice, they cannot change their mind from an acceptance to a decline.

Once they have told you or indicated the claim is accepted, they MUST follow thru and accept the liability, and cannot change their mind.

Obviously they CAN change their mind the other way.....decline and then decide to accept.....
warwickl
warwickl
NSW
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NSW, 2360 posts
11 Jul 2013 9:58pm
Hi Supersonic27

How/where do I find this code of practice?
Supersonic27
Supersonic27
NSW
235 posts
NSW, 235 posts
12 Jul 2013 9:54am
Chris6791 said..

warwickl said..

Hi Supersonic27

How/where do I find this code of practice?


Google/Bing/Yahoo is your friend, assuming this is what Supersonic is referring to I just searched 'Insurance Code of Practice'

http://www.codeofpractice.com.au/Portals/0/Code%20of%20Practice%202012%20-%20FINAL%20l.pdf



Sorry folk, I went to bed, but yes that is where you will find it. Love google!
Gunna1
Gunna1
154 posts
154 posts
12 Jul 2013 9:01am
Something I always do is record, names dates, times and content of every contact with the insurance company and remind them of previous conversations. They do make notes on their systems of contacts with clients, however they are usually not very comprehensive. I also remind them that they tell us when we call that "all conversations are recorded for training purposes" even though I am sure they don't! This was helpful in one case when I was told I was covered by one person and then another person tried to knock the claim back. I told them to listen to my previous conversation, they supposedly "checked the recording" and agreed with my version of the original conversation and paid the claim.
Gunna1
Gunna1
154 posts
154 posts
12 Jul 2013 9:04am
Oh, and I agree with previous posters. ALWAYS stay calm and respectful.
choco
choco
SA
4186 posts
SA, 4186 posts
12 Jul 2013 5:34pm
Never had a problem with any insurance claims, I even have my windsurfing gear insured under farm package and last year got a nice cheque for $1,100 to replace my carbon mast which broke when I had a crash
warwickl
warwickl
NSW
2360 posts
NSW, 2360 posts
12 Jul 2013 8:30pm
Thanks again Guys for helping keep me on track.

I am now back to where things were a week ago, ie approved again to fix the problem. Now approved 4 times.

Next week will prove if this is fact.

I have also reviewed the Code of Practice which is also a link on GIO web site and I can not find one part where they have complied with the performance of a claim in my situation.

The Code of Practice also requires an insurance company to report their failure to FOC, mmmm.
warwickl
warwickl
NSW
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12 Jul 2013 8:31pm
PS

Hard not to spit the dummy
Chris6791
Chris6791
WA
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12 Jul 2013 7:53pm
choco said..

Never had a problem with any insurance claims, I even have my windsurfing gear insured under farm package and last year got a nice cheque for $1,100 to replace my carbon mast which broke when I had a crash


Interesting, all accidental damage policies I've seen don't cover the item if you are using it. Or did you leave that 'lil details out?
choco
choco
SA
4186 posts
SA, 4186 posts
12 Jul 2013 9:33pm
Chris6791 said..

choco said..

Never had a problem with any insurance claims, I even have my windsurfing gear insured under farm package and last year got a nice cheque for $1,100 to replace my carbon mast which broke when I had a crash


Interesting, all accidental damage policies I've seen don't cover the item if you are using it. Or did you leave that 'lil details out?


No details left out,I specifically asked for cover on and off the water it does cost me extra a year though
paddymac
paddymac
WA
943 posts
WA, 943 posts
12 Jul 2013 8:13pm
We had house and car with GIO. After the hail storm trashed both GIO was fantastic. My wife was about 7 months pregnant. The ceiling in the baby room fell in after the skylight broke. She rang up and told them the story - straight to the top of the queue, fully repaired in weeks. Car was dented but drove fine. They offered me a right off plus an option to buy it back. I took the option to buy back and the difference got us an upgrade to the wife's car. Happy customer!
the gibbo
the gibbo
WA
776 posts
WA, 776 posts
14 Jul 2013 2:45pm
House break in claim with Youi, outstanding, quick no real questions other than some proof of ownership, faultless
Changed my car and the missus from RAC to them and saved $700ish
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