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Mackerel
Mackerel
WA
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29 Mar 2013 10:34pm
I find it very interesting that I never seem to meet wealthy people that work FIFO mining jobs. I couldn't count how many people that I've met, earning $200k + a year who have barely any savings and only a mediocre house ( with a mortgage )on the outskirts of the metro area to show for it (and maybe a spa/jet ski/ ute). What the hell are they doing with all their money and what do they ALL ( well most ) seem to waste it?

I have a family member (in law) who, 8 years ago was earning twice my wage, I really envied him as he always had the latest everything. Now I earn what he does, but I own my own house outright, and support my family of 5 on my income alone. He still drives a car that is worth $50,000 more than both my wife and I's cars combined. He is $150k in the hole and looking to buy a property in the hills.

Why is this such a common thing?
cisco
cisco
QLD
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30 Mar 2013 2:40am
There is a lot of ego at mine sites and that seems to override common sense.
Indodreaming
Indodreaming
379 posts
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30 Mar 2013 7:24am
a number i have met go hard on their time off at everything. So spending money including a few with serious substance abuse issues.

With drug testing its gone from a green to white habit which is far more expensive.
mineral1
mineral1
WA
4564 posts
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30 Mar 2013 11:55am
Couple of issues that our teams highlighted with our own workforce with this issue a few years back.
Most have no concept in regards to financial management and what to do with the hard earned, and how to make it work for each at such a young age. A bit of work and this issue gained support to have them skilled in this area to assist them with future stability
There will be of course, those who just blow the cash as fast, or faster than they can earn it, just like those who win big lotto sums, and few years later have zilch left.
However, in saying this, a good percentage of our workforce who are well stabilised now, but don't make a habit of discussing the process on how good they are compared to ol Joe who isn't.
Substance abuse, there are the odd one outs, but can assure that most don't, or no longer do, with the drug abuse identification strategy in place on sites.
Dont for a minute think these are just blue collar types. Our group has Engineers, teachers, multi science, even marine science people at the coal face and not even in the orginal field they worked so hard for.
sn
sn
WA
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sn sn
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30 Mar 2013 4:54pm
A lot of FIFO pay ends up at Burswood, or on too many toys [is there any such thing?] too many tarts, partying and too many holidays- at least that seemed to be the norm with the crews I worked with.

I think the quote that explains it best came from a Pommie football player, [George Best?]

"I spent 90% of my money on booze, fast cars and women, the rest I just wasted"

stephen.

me- I just poured as much as I could into my mortgage, with the occaisional spluge to keep sandwichmaker happy.
adolf
adolf
1862 posts
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30 Mar 2013 5:15pm
I don't know any fifo's. But I think I know the type. Guess they think they are on a good income and choose live well beyond their means. Reality always hits you in the end. Sure you could go down the mortgage road and scrimp and save all your life only to be hit with cancer in the end. Hard to say who is really better off.

We are only given one life and you are dead for a long time - may as well enjoy it while you can.
pepe47
pepe47
WA
1382 posts
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30 Mar 2013 6:28pm
Mackerel said...

I find it very interesting that I never seem to meet wealthy people that work FIFO mining jobs. I couldn't count how many people that I've met, earning $200k + a year who have barely any savings and only a mediocre house ( with a mortgage )on the outskirts of the metro area to show for it (and maybe a spa/jet ski/ ute). What the hell are they doing with all their money and what do they ALL ( well most ) seem to waste it?

I have a family member (in law) who, 8 years ago was earning twice my wage, I really envied him as he always had the latest everything. Now I earn what he does, but I own my own house outright, and support my family of 5 on my income alone. He still drives a car that is worth $50,000 more than both my wife and I's cars combined. He is $150k in the hole and looking to buy a property in the hills.

Why is this such a common thing?


Are you using yourself as the moral and financial benchmark that people should build their lives around?

I'm a fifo worker and I was quite shocked to hear from you how much I actually earn, or was that just the ones you met? I know my wife will be pleased when she hears of the pay rise!!
I also know of two other fifo's on this site and they might be pleased to know what they earn.
Was this a figure you got from the newspaper or did you make it up? Be a shame if the truth got in the way of a good rumour!
No wonder Sam Walsh thought that autohaul would be a great idea, he believes the newspapers also.

Hamsta
Hamsta
505 posts
505 posts
31 Mar 2013 11:47am
200K+ per year..........in mining..........? Best paid jobs are to be found on offshore construction vessels/projects and yes the minimum wage would be around 200K per annum but such a small percentage of the population are employed in offshore construction that it doesn't really even factor in as a viable employment opportunity.....unless you can buy the recruiter a nice $5k watch to keep your name and number at the top of the list when he/she is looking to upman for a project.

Anyways, people have all sorts of financial obligations that they need to meet but don't necessarily advertise to all and sundry. Some people value experiences more than material objects.
Underoath
Underoath
QLD
2434 posts
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31 Mar 2013 4:06pm
If you want good money become a bell diver with underwater welding experence.

Pros: Top money

Cons: Stort life

beermate
beermate
WA
25 posts
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1 Apr 2013 2:45pm
Mackeral I feel sorry for you.
If he earned twice as much as you 8 years ago and now you earn more than him you have been on a much better wicket. What with the mining boom going on.
I work in the resources sector (for many years now) and have never earned over 200K in a year from doing FIFO work until this year. Most of the people I know are the same.
The more I earn the more tax I pay (it's a scaling thing setup by the government to rip people off for trying harder). Lets not forget the Medicare rebate and on and on it goes. My travel from down south to parking at the airport cuts into my earnings as I cannot claim against this.
But hey that small amount I end up earning above some others (after tax) is the compensation I get paid for being away from family.
There are plenty of people on the bones of their bums that dont work FIFO. Maybe you can go over and be there finacial planner, for a small fee of course.
Hey but you just judge evryone else by a couple you met. Fool.
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15101 posts
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1 Apr 2013 6:48pm
I think it is one of those things where you think its great having all this extra money, and start spending accordingly. It's nice being able to buy things that you had to save for before.

I found I went through this when I first started out when my wage doubled, and then doubled again. I spent a lot of money on 'stuff'. Nothing seedy, and nothing outstanding, but I spent more than I would have on a lower wage.

Luckily for me, I got over this and decided to buy a house at the right time, so the spending on extra stuff tapered off.

I suspect these FIFO miners will change their spending habits after a few years. I mate in the military was telling me the same thing happens with those guys.

CMC
CMC
QLD
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1 Apr 2013 9:08pm
I've got 2 brothers, they both work in the mines.

The youngest one went to barrow island for a couple of years and put every penny on his mortgage and lived off his wife's receptionist wage.

The other makes just as much money, has a loan for a 10k car and is broke at the end of every week. He just gives it away, shouts the bar and spends it on god knows what.

I'm still not sure which ones got it correct.

I went to Uni followed a career and earn less than half of either of them.
Sailhack
Sailhack
VIC
5000 posts
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2 Apr 2013 10:18am
Mackerel said...

What the hell are they doing with all their money and what do they ALL ( well most ) seem to waste it?


Not sure if spending is a waste - that's what keeps the economy going. If all the >$100k income earners were frugal with their coin, the economy would be a lot worse - let those with money, spend it - I say!!!


Best you just look at how you live your life, how you spend/save your income & don't compare yourself with others. "The grass is always greener...somewhere".
myusernam
myusernam
QLD
6158 posts
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2 Apr 2013 9:28am
a bogan and their money is soon parted...

Mooranbah standard car is a SS
felixdcat
felixdcat
WA
3519 posts
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2 Apr 2013 12:04pm
Mate of a mate is a cashed up? FIFO, has 2 big boats (on mortgage) a house (on mortgage) a brand new top of the wasa Land Cruiser (on mortgage) needed a bigger car to tow the bigger central console to the ramp and got one of those big Ford ute (on mortgage), maintain a crew of "mates" that go fishing with him (yes he pays for the lot: fuel, bait, beer even clean the boat).
The boat cost 3l of fuel per 1 km???? Twin 250 hp.
Had to borrow money from his bro to pay fpr the boat rego.... was broke????
Said he is making $250K a year WTF???
pueter66
pueter66
QLD
205 posts
QLD, 205 posts
2 Apr 2013 5:46pm
Yep as usual, there are a lot of people blowing money that they get. That will happen in any job regardless of wage.
I have been doing drive in drive out of the mines for 10 years and there are good rewards but the cost is also high. High tax, high cost of living, additional living costs, price of fuel as i do 60000 kms plus a year and the biggest cost was watching my 7 year old daughter grow up with me not there half of the time that was the highest cost. Not being there for Christmas and Birthdays. The strain of my wife running the household by herself. I am not complaining as i made a choice to do this as it was the right thing financialy for the family. But the gains after all costs are taken out arent that much in front of the average Joe.
Be carefull not to judge people that you know nothing about. I also work in Moranbah
Mackerel
Mackerel
WA
313 posts
WA, 313 posts
2 Apr 2013 8:02pm
Wow, some great insight from you guys.
Firstly though, I did not mean to attack anyone working FIFO or mines ect and I realise I sure did bunch everyone together in my initial post. I was only going on a few examples of people I know, hence the reason for my post.
AndyR
AndyR
QLD
1344 posts
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12 Apr 2013 12:40am
There's more people in the high rise CBD buildings in every capital city earning 200+ K than miners in the country..

I know plenty of managers, business, law, sales proffesionals earning bigger than miners.
GypsyDrifter
GypsyDrifter
WA
2371 posts
WA, 2371 posts
12 Apr 2013 7:01pm
Mackerel said...
Wow, some great insight from you guys.
Firstly though, I did not mean to attack anyone working FIFO or mines ect and I realise I sure did bunch everyone together in my initial post. I was only going on a few examples of people I know, hence the reason for my post.



Our household has just joined the fifo phase
and we have a plan!..
BIG boat
BIG 4x4
Bl@@dy BIG shed
$60k in the bank

and then we stop.
It's all looking good so far but then we are not 28 any more
GypsyDrifter
GypsyDrifter
WA
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12 Apr 2013 7:02pm
oh and we are not getting $200k
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
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12 Apr 2013 11:12pm
GypsyDrifter said...

Our household has just joined the fifo phase
and we have a plan!..
BIG boat
BIG 4x4
Bl@@dy BIG shed
$60k in the bank

and then we stop.
It's all looking good so far but then we are not 28 any more


Sounds like a 10 year plan.

Do you think you can survive it that long?

If everything did not have to be so BIG............you might be able to do it in 3 to 5 years and have 5 to 7 years extra to enjoy it in while you are 5 to 7 years younger.

Believe me. The older you get the harder everything is, be it work OR play.

GypsyDrifter
GypsyDrifter
WA
2371 posts
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12 Apr 2013 9:27pm
Actually cisco it's a 3 year plan...
being two people with no kids...
and no mortgage
all the money is saved for our plan

13 months ago...we downsided our house
upsized our block and kicked our mortgage out the door
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
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12 Apr 2013 11:57pm
GypsyDrifter said...
Actually cisco it's a 3 year plan...
being two people with no kids...
and no mortgage
all the money is saved for our plan

13 months ago...we downsided our house
upsized our block and kicked our mortgage out the door


Sounds like you have it all under control GD. No Kids = plenty of disposable income. That is why gays always have cash to splash.

Is it no kids at all or you gave them the boot long ago??
Stuthepirate
Stuthepirate
SA
3591 posts
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13 Apr 2013 12:34am
I left the defence force for the golden handcuffs of the mining industry.
First two years DINK and decided to buy a house (agreed it was the end of the housing boom)
4 years and 2 kids on and only one income, still only managing to keep on top.
I don't buy fancy **** but i enjoy taking the wife and kids out when i'm home (2:1)
We're looking to upgrade from 3/1 house to 4/2 soon which will mean more stringent budgets but i still can't fathom the families in WA on single or even double incomes below $100K.
Price of living and comodities in WA are pricing everyone out of all markets including the propety markets and leaving for the investment teams to monopolise.
GypsyDrifter
GypsyDrifter
WA
2371 posts
WA, 2371 posts
13 Apr 2013 1:59am
cisco said...
That is why gays always have cash to splash.

Is it no kids at all or you gave them the boot long ago??


Not too sure what to make of that 1st comment cisco..Oh cisco

No! I made the decision at 19 that I would never be able to afford kids
and also do what I wanted to do in life..
GypsyDrifter
GypsyDrifter
WA
2371 posts
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13 Apr 2013 2:16am
Stuthepirate said...
We're looking to upgrade from 3/1 house to 4/2 soon which will mean more stringent budgets


See now this is what I don't fathom!
Family increasing and you feel you need more room! That part I understand...
but as you work away..why can't you buy a home in a different area and spend the same amount or even god forbid less on your new home?
There are 4 x2's around for $330K and just under $300K! with a shed and a pool.
Stuthepirate
Stuthepirate
SA
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13 Apr 2013 9:11am
GypsyDrifter said...
Stuthepirate said...
We're looking to upgrade from 3/1 house to 4/2 soon which will mean more stringent budgets


See now this is what I don't fathom!
Family increasing and you feel you need more room! That part I understand...
but as you work away..why can't you buy a home in a different area and spend the same amount or even god forbid less on your new home?
There are 4 x2's around for $330K and just under $300K! with a shed and a pool.


There are plenty of houses out there for that but as an investment for my retirement, while i'm making good money i'd like to pay something off that will appreciate more in time. Also, with kids it's a matter of schooling zones too. I could pay extra and put them in Private schools or move to an area with good performing public schools and use that extra money on the mortgage.
MDSXR6T
MDSXR6T
WA
1019 posts
WA, 1019 posts
13 Apr 2013 9:26am
GypsyDrifter said...
There are 4 x2's around for $330K and just under $300K! with a shed and a pool.


But not really anywhere half decent or if they are then they arent in the metro area. Really need to start at around 450k i think.

I think a combined family income of less than 120k a year must be bloody tough if your paying a normal mortgage (400k??) or renting.

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