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poor relative
poor relative
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25 Nov 2012 7:57pm
I used to be able to do upto 7 or 8 - 12 hour nights in a row no worries.
However over the last 6 months its a real struggle.
I do two and i'm moody, irritable, miss out on life etc etc

Anyone else have this trouble.......
BulldogPup
BulldogPup
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25 Nov 2012 8:05pm
As long as I get 4 to 5 hours kip during the day after any N/S it's sort of ok .... it's when you get no solid sleep that it's a real struggle.
Beauty of my Nites is that there are no bosses to convolute the job & stop common sense prevailing.
another bonus is that I get to go down the beach during the weekdays if I want and that = no crowding (mostly)
The body clock thing makes it tricky though mate - hope you have some good luck with it all too
Craig66
Craig66
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25 Nov 2012 11:06pm
move 12 hours either east or west, problem solved
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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25 Nov 2012 8:51pm
P.R how much sleep are you getting each day? Real sleep uninterrupted?

I have no idea how anyone can survive on Bulldogpup's system
I used to do 5 or 7 x 8hr nights and sleep minimum 8hrs in the day. Cold dark winter days, up to 12hrs

Back to P.R: if you only do 2 it is worse as you don't get a system going. The more nightshifts in one roster, the better.
- a nap before work really helps - like 1hr sleep after dinner, then shower and off to work
- sleep as much as possible after 1st n/shift to get body clock reoriented. Sleep as long as you can, might mean a bit dehydrated in the day though but I used to do 6hrs at least, up for a couple of hours then back to bed for 3 or 4 hrs even if I didn't feel 'that tired'. Invariably, I slept.
- no caffeine in the latter part of your shift!
- some people say maintain the same eating patterns regardless of time - so eat breakfast before work and dinner after work (I never tried it but many swear by it. I can see how a roast dinner and beer at 0600 helps one sleep though... mmmmmm)
greenleader
greenleader
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25 Nov 2012 11:14pm
a man's gotta know his limitations.
poor relative
poor relative
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25 Nov 2012 9:21pm
^^ LOL

I think its something that gets worse with age, y'know the older you get the more difficult nights get and the more interesting your garden becomes.
Skid
Skid
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25 Nov 2012 11:26pm
^^ Some good tips from Mark. (though I used to have brekky when I got home)
If possible, try to stay out of bright light in the morning. It 'resets' your body clock to be awake.
I have worked a few different start/finish times, including a night shift that went from 4pm to 4am, it was actually fairly good as I would scamper home and get to bed while it is was still dark.
Wear dark sunglasses in the morning if needed. Make sure your bedroom is very dark. (I used total blockout curtain backing, secured to window frame with drawing pins. Also draft 'sausage' to seal gap under door). Earplugs and aircon or fan.

Eat good food and try to maintain some exercise...

Good luck (these are the sunglasses I mentioned)
tightlines
tightlines
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25 Nov 2012 9:40pm
Hope I don't get like that when I get old Reli
12hr nightshift last night, 20k SUP downwinder today and I am back at it tonight, hope it's a quite one.

I don't agree with the 2 nights only is worse Mark, I work 2 days then 2 nights, but ocassionally I do a shift swap and do 4 days in a row, or 4 nights in a row.
I find I am knackered after 4 nights in a row as I dont get a lot of sleep during the day and the accumulative effect of lack of sleep knocks me around then, if I only do 2 nights its over before I know it.

My job is not very physical or stressful (usually) though, I find if I have two busy stressful nights it knocks me around heaps more.
tightlines
tightlines
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25 Nov 2012 9:44pm
I agree about avoiding the bright light in the morning skid, I used to finish at 7 but the roster has been changed and now it is 6am M-F (10hr shift) and 8am (12hr)sat, sun.
I hate the later finish you are driving home in full sunlight and I find it heaps harder to get to sleep.
BulldogPup
BulldogPup
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25 Nov 2012 9:49pm
Mark _australia said...
P.R how much sleep are you getting each day? Real sleep uninterrupted?

I have no idea how anyone can survive on Bulldogpup's system
I used to do 5 or 7 x 8hr nights and sleep minimum 8hrs in the day. Cold dark winter days, up to 12hrs

Back to P.R: if you only do 2 it is worse as you don't get a system going. The more nightshifts in one roster, the better.
- a nap before work really helps - like 1hr sleep after dinner, then shower and off to work
- sleep as much as possible after 1st n/shift to get body clock reoriented. Sleep as long as you can, might mean a bit dehydrated in the day though but I used to do 6hrs at least, up for a couple of hours then back to bed for 3 or 4 hrs even if I didn't feel 'that tired'. Invariably, I slept.
- no caffeine in the latter part of your shift!
- some people say maintain the same eating patterns regardless of time - so eat breakfast before work and dinner after work (I never tried it but many swear by it. I can see how a roast dinner and beer at 0600 helps one sleep though... mmmmmm)


You have to get at least 4 or 5 hours deep sleep brother .... sometimes going down for a quick surf or a swim and having another go works for me
It aint easy & wouldn't pretend it is trying to get sleeping during the day down pat ... a lot depends on how hard you've worked during the night too as the others have mentioned
never ever grab a kip during the night shift - that screws with it all
paulford
paulford
WA
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25 Nov 2012 9:59pm
Staying awake through the night is the way to go. Spent too many nights working sleeping as a security guard in an office block which really screwed me. Would get home at 9am and spend all day awake and then only sleep when i should of been working.
You'll get better sleep in the day wearing ear plugs and eye mask.

patsken
patsken
WA
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25 Nov 2012 10:35pm
26 years of shift work has taught me a couple of things (8 hour shifts):

Night shift does not get easier as you get older - it gets harder.

I now try to get 4 or 5 hours in the morning and an hour or 2 before work - many years ago I would go straight to work from whatever party etc was on

I don't need the room to be totally dark but I do have one of those airline eye masky thingys that gets used in summer and earplugs if it's noisy outside.

In winter I need an electric blanket to stay or get warm when I do go to bed after a NS and in summer generally a fan does the trick if it's not a howling hot easterly.

Also I don't mind doing one or two nights and then dropping off the nights and then going back out on them - what I DO hate is doing nights and then straight onto days after that.

It has been stated that shiftwork shortens your lifespan but I've gotten to 50 odd without any major problems unless you count stuffed knees - I put that down to Dutchies famous chop.


Other than that you just put up with it or get another job......
poor relative
poor relative
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25 Nov 2012 10:43pm
I try to do less and less..... without much luck

My current routine is to try and have a quick kip on nights during a break just to refresh a bit then straight home and straight to bed.
I used to be able to sleep for at least 8 hours get up in the arvy and feel ok.
Now i sleep til about 11am and feel like ****, cant sleep after i awake and an hour before work is impossible.

I think when i get up i'm going to try the exercise thing - go for a run or a ride or whatever and try and get an hour in in the afternoon.....

Nights suck
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
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25 Nov 2012 10:44pm
Skid said...
, try to stay out of bright light in the morning.


So... drive home with eyes closed? :)
Yeah, done that after a nightshift. Only lasted briefly.... bit scary
Mark _australia
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25 Nov 2012 10:45pm
Skid said...
, try to stay out of bright light in the morning.


So... drive home with eyes closed? :)
Yeah, done that after a nightshift. Only lasted briefly.... bit scary



patsken said...
It has been stated that shiftwork shortens your lifespan but I've gotten to 50 odd without any major problems


look out, you're due to die any minute. Can I have your windsurf gear?

BulldogPup
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25 Nov 2012 10:59pm

look out, you're due to die any minute. Can I have your windsurf gear?




haaaaaa .... gold
busterwa
busterwa
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26 Nov 2012 12:01am
Welcome to my world and about 80 percent of the workforce!!!.
Just be conscious that fatigue related injuries increase significantly within the last three hours of a shift. Namley afternoon shift and more importantly night-shift.
Also working in an environment that is producing 24/7 has heavy social implications weather it fifo or local based.
For the drive home i usually open the driver window and let the cold air hit my skin rather than a warm heater that will send you to sleep.


You'd have to explain more about your shift roster including (rotation)relative for me to comment any further. Where i work every 2 weeks we change shifts but fortunately the company allows us to make shift swaps so if i have a stretch of nights ill try and pick up 4-8 week stints then on the flip-side on days.
So insted of doing 2 days 2 nights shift swap and do 2 nights 2 nights for a few weeks the 2 days 2 days etc. if you get the adjist

Also the 12/24/7 being a attached without kids i often shift-swap workmates during times like Xmas and important dates to give them time with here kids its big Kudos$$$$ for the single man .

Your going to hit a wide variety of persona and moods on shifts because of sleep deprivation and personal factors but staying calm and being diffusive is always the best resolution. Those that are normally placid can become aggressive and require time alone. (keep quiet and support them)

There is a plethora of ways to tackle a shift work and manage personal fatigue but it comes down to the individual.
many people drink coffee all night then cant sleep during the day.many turn to eating and diet abuse other drinking (like myself)

Anyways good luck if you find the answers you seek let us know ;-)
ps: the "experts say to have a shut eye during long night-shift as it reduced fatigue
myusernam
myusernam
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26 Nov 2012 6:56am
My night shifts were a peace of pxss! Get to work, stoke up the BBQ. Fry up a feed. Have dinner and a yarn. Quick checks (work - 10 min) Then the news would be starting, back up to the recliners. Then another 2 min console task then whatever was on TEEV. Usually hve a bowl of icecream. Watch TV till sleepy, then off to bed. (3 on shift - took turns week about.. One guy had to get up every couple of hours until 3am for 2 minutes of console work, the other guys slept through) so even if you were the one getting up u still got heaps of sleep. 2nights, 2 days, four off, so only worked 2 days out of eight really.
BulldogPup
BulldogPup
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26 Nov 2012 5:00am
^^^^
Geez send me an appo form will ya cobber
Scotty88
Scotty88
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26 Nov 2012 6:38am
Google 'Ken Davis'.
You need some rainforest sounds.
I go to sleep to it every night.
Btw I haven't done nightshirt for 18 years and don't miss it one bit.
BulldogPup
BulldogPup
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26 Nov 2012 6:44am
Scotty88 said...
Google 'Ken Davis'.
You need some rainforest sounds.
I go to sleep to it every night.
Btw I haven't done nightshirt for 18 years and don't miss it one bit.


freeballer mate
Mobydisc
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NSW
9029 posts
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26 Nov 2012 2:32pm
myusernam said...
My night shifts were a peace of pxss! Get to work, stoke up the BBQ. Fry up a feed. Have dinner and a yarn. Quick checks (work - 10 min) Then the news would be starting, back up to the recliners. Then another 2 min console task then whatever was on TEEV. Usually hve a bowl of icecream. Watch TV till sleepy, then off to bed. (3 on shift - took turns week about.. One guy had to get up every couple of hours until 3am for 2 minutes of console work, the other guys slept through) so even if you were the one getting up u still got heaps of sleep. 2nights, 2 days, four off, so only worked 2 days out of eight really.


This was replaced with a script or someone in India doing it for $4 an hour? I think shift work would be kind of fun for a while but would eventually kill me.



Scotty88
Scotty88
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26 Nov 2012 12:43pm
BulldogPup said...
Scotty88 said...
Google 'Ken Davis'.
You need some rainforest sounds.
I go to sleep to it every night.
Btw I haven't done nightshirt for 18 years and don't miss it one bit.


freeballer mate



Sh1t you are getting very red thumbs Pup.
A stalker on the loose ?
myusernam
myusernam
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28 Nov 2012 3:45pm
Mobydisc said...
myusernam said...
My night shifts were a peace of pxss! Get to work, stoke up the BBQ. Fry up a feed. Have dinner and a yarn. Quick checks (work - 10 min) Then the news would be starting, back up to the recliners. Then another 2 min console task then whatever was on TEEV. Usually hve a bowl of icecream. Watch TV till sleepy, then off to bed. (3 on shift - took turns week about.. One guy had to get up every couple of hours until 3am for 2 minutes of console work, the other guys slept through) so even if you were the one getting up u still got heaps of sleep. 2nights, 2 days, four off, so only worked 2 days out of eight really.


This was replaced with a script or someone in India doing it for $4 an hour? I think shift work would be kind of fun for a while but would eventually kill me.






yeah i only lasted two years. we were there for safety/ breakdowns/ switching etc. but had redundancy so we just turned shxt off and left it for the day shift. night shift was sleepy time. day shift u worked but it flew by because you were so busy. did but loads of fishing. left before I became unemployable.
Sadly the next job i got (and still have) is pretty slack also. I dont seek these jobs out, they just seem to find me.
GypsyDrifter
GypsyDrifter
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28 Nov 2012 5:29pm
Alot of guys in mining rely on restavit from the chemist for their sleep when doing nights.
worrier
worrier
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28 Nov 2012 7:51pm
I do 14 hr night shifts on Shutdowns in PNG and the Philippines fairly regularly. Tried lots of methods but I find 30 mins to 1/2 an hour in the gym after breaky then wack in the earplugs in and I usually get a good solid sleep. Of course if the Mary's start cacklin and carrying on around the dongas it is a waste of time
W
laurie
laurie
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29 Nov 2012 10:35am
poor relative said...

I used to be able to do upto 7 or 8 - 12 hour nights in a row no worries.
However over the last 6 months its a real struggle.
I do two and i'm moody, irritable, miss out on life etc etc


Would it have anything to do with withdrawls from running, riding, swimming, kiting, pork pies, and then trying to survive on 3 hours of sleep?

That would make me irritable.
spot1
spot1
WA
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29 Nov 2012 8:53am
just done 14 nights (13 hr per night) with 1 stand down
and it sucked
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