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oliver
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16 Mar 2011 8:02pm
Bigwavedave
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16 Mar 2011 10:08pm
I watched it a few days ago. Very disturbing.

Violence is no answer. Yet I was quietly cheering for the big fella!
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Did you make that video Oliver?

Or did you just..... hang on, no you wouldn't have.... but maybe you did....

But your statements last week were suggesting this was bad form ..... I'm really confused....

There must be a reasonable answer.

Surely you wouldn't have just Copied and Pasted a link on here?
busterwa
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16 Mar 2011 8:33pm
fatty should of used some ground and pound aswell. disappointing.

busterwa
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16 Mar 2011 8:41pm
I can relate to his is i used to be the skinny kid oneday after years of tormenting my older brother i.e throwing darts at him and mousetraps and chacing him around the house with knives he snapped and bashed the absolute **** out of me . To this day we are still friends and have never had another fight. now ive just turned into being a seabreese /cyber bully !! lol
I think the school let kids down for no addressing the issue. But sooner or later youl get your just deserts !
Makaha
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16 Mar 2011 8:52pm
I guess this sh-t happens everyday without any of us knowing,**** that skinning smart ar-e runt and hopefully he wakes up to himself. As always theres the little tarts egging on a fight.One can only imagine where they live.At the end of the day the big guy has my full support and the call out should be,don't **** with him anymore.Sorry but this stuff ****s me.How the hell is he going to get a descent education in that environment.

rant over sorry
Simondo
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17 Mar 2011 12:00am
Roy looks a tiny bit like Campbell Brown, ex Hawthorn, now Gold Coast Suns.

Stupid skinny kid though, got what he deserved! I was a partial lightweight in high school.... There's no way in hell I would have picked on anyone for a fight, let alone a strong looking guy like that! Even at 12 or 13, I was full aware of weight divisions !!
oliver
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16 Mar 2011 9:07pm
Elroy Jetson said...


But your statements last week were suggesting this was bad form ..... I'm really confused....

There must be a reasonable answer.


This is Sparta!
busterwa
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16 Mar 2011 9:20pm
fake left hand and leave it there lining up sledgehammer overhand right. fatty didnt need to take him to the ground.
mkseven
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16 Mar 2011 11:46pm
It's disturbing the extent it got to- almost ended up as a case of brain damage or worse. But telling someone to show restraint against something they maybe put up with everyday, well only those that have been there could say if what he did was justified.

They are talking of criminal charges for him and fair enough (goodluck to anyone trying to prove he intended to drop the kid on his head), however they should be pushing that the other kid is charged with assault, and the kid videoing, and the senior who stood by and did nothing, and action taken against the teacher on duty, and civil complaint against the school for not a) providing safe environment & b) not effectively educating on bullying, and also file similar against the education department.

Hopefully everyone has the good sense for it not to go that far and ruin lives. As it appears to me it was a very bad choice, possibly not intended to drop the kid on his hard as much as throw him to the ground. At any point subsequent he appears to have shown restraint as he could have continued and done alot more damage by kicking him in the head etc (exactly what will happen to you if you are that same position by intention- I can prove that on any Saturday night anywhere).

That all said the parents of both need to be scrutinized- bully's parents for raising such a little s***. As for the bullied kid (Casey apparently his name is) how can his parents not see the signs, how can you have your head so far somewhere that you dont see that your son is a potential victim of bullying.

I've got 2 boys, the eldest is overweight... frustrating as he eats exactly the same meals including portion size & is actually more active than my younger son who is skinny. He has been bullied and I saw the signs straight away, school was happy to send him home with "sore stomach" daily, I'd spoken to him about it and he kept denied being bullied. I made a complaint with school & decided on starting him training martial arts with me (a little hard due to shift work) which I always wanted to do as I saw he was potentially a victim. Unfortunately in that short time between deciding to take action and doing so both sons got in trouble for fighting with a group of kids older than them. Anyway that all ended well in the end, easier because I'd made a complaint prior. Now he happily excels in martial arts (picks up kata quicker than me ), knows to walk away and is learning the difference required in situation of when to lock them up or when to drop them on their head.

Point is though- why did Casey's parents not see this, there are changes you should be able to see in your child. And why did they not flag him as a potential victim & encourage similar activity- we've all been kids, we all know that anything different at all can be a typical target of bullying. Maybe that is a failing in this touchy feely world.

Bah, back in the day it just would of been a case of you live, you learn. But now we've got this touchy feely world where 1 punch can kill & video footage preventing incompetent (or wise) police can't sweep things under the carpet.

Enough of my ranting... this is a case for Spoonman!
mkseven
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16 Mar 2011 11:55pm
Oh and Oliver- how the f### would you like it if you logged on to the forum and were refered to as "the fat kid"
Ironman
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16 Mar 2011 11:13pm
I dont think the big fella should get suspended he was just protecting himself. I agree that he shouldn't of turned him over and chucked him on the ground though he should of just walked away. Im in high school now and if that kid came up to me and started to punch me in the face i would knock him.He gets what he deserves.
mineral1
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16 Mar 2011 11:15pm
Similar thing happened at collage when I was at school (sh1t that was a looong time back)
One chubby chap was always on the receiving end from a particular quarter, he never retaliated, just let the crap bounce off and would move away with the normal barbs about being gutless thrown at him as he went.
Used to pizz a few of us off, and the general blue usually resulted when we went to his aid, no harm just a few grazed knuckles and the odd shiner He never got involved, just stood there until it all cooled off and then go about his business.

Anyhow, one day he had enough when this little smart arse runt pushed him just that too far, and the runt got the proverbial flogging, that done, the runt heads off for one of his bigger brothers for some back up, brother shows up same result gets a flogging, same scenario, heads off for next brother, then the next. Final result, it ended with brother number four, along with the rest of the family, nursing a bruised mouth, a few shiners to go around and flattened ego, along with looking rather stupid.
The chubby chap is no longer with us sadly, but seeing that brought back fond memories of the day me ol mate took out four bullies, with no help from us. Nobody picked him from that day on
Little Jon
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17 Mar 2011 2:36pm
The principal does seem to understand right from wrong. Every person has a right to safety and the right to self defence. The teachers failed, the principal failed and the system failed to protect him leaving no other option than self defence.

Thought the vid was pretty funny with the little sh%t trying to walk on his broken ankle, nice move by the big guy, he is a hero.
Mobydisc
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17 Mar 2011 3:22pm
What to do? First thing is the ability for principals to be able to enforce an effective discipline policy that includes expulsion for students who refuse to follow school rules or endanger other members of the school community. Right now in NSW it is basically impossible for a public school principal to expel a student for misbehaving and not following school rules. The only way to expel a student is to show they are not making progress towards the certificate they are at school for, whether its the school certificate in years 9 and 10 or the HSC in 11 and 12.

In other words the older boy could be expelled if he was not submitting assignments and its impossible to expel the younger boy.

Its terrible kids can swear, attack and be abusive towards members of the school community and the worse that can happen to them is to be sent home for a few days and then come back to school.

I think if a kid gets expelled then its up to their parent(s)/guardian(s) to find them a new school. If a new school can't be found then either the child is to be home schooled or sent to a reform school.

For too long there are kids acting basically as a law unto themselves, without answering to or being responsible to anyone, running riot in schools. They make the professional life of teachers a misery and they ruin the education for the students who want to learn.




Diver
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17 Mar 2011 12:31pm
Having been on the recieving end of some pretty sustained bullying, I can only hope that the guy comes out of the whole ordeal OK - and that his parents are there to help him get through it. Can only cringe when you picture the upbringing the hangers and others have had - why are they standing there egging the aggressor on??

As for the staff at the school - haven't they heard of duty of care????

Maybe the others and the aggressor involved should take into consideration advice that "Fast Eddie Rothman" gave to his son Makua; never start a fight with anyone who does not want to fight you, never make someone who is fat or ugly feel bad about themselves, always strive to reach your full potential, help others in need, & never ever disrespect Da Hui.

End of rant
doggie
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17 Mar 2011 1:25pm
Just watched it again, best body slam I have ever seen.
CMC
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17 Mar 2011 4:06pm
The fat kid (Casey) done what is right for himself and his own self esteem for the rest of his existence on this planet.

If he has been picked on for an extended amount of time I honestly don't know how he stopped with just the body slam. He must be a real pacifist. Most kids would have let the years of abuse out on the one kid that pushed him over the edge.

I got bullied myself in school, I was the new kid a lot. First it was Lindy Chamberlain had the same last name. Then I had a speech problem, then I moved to a town where everyone hated surfers and I was the only one. My parents were not sympathetic, in fact one time my old man kicked me up the butt for coming home crying to get me to stand up for myself.

The only way it ever ends is to stand up to the bullies. They only pick on the weak as they are scared, gutless kids themselves and never expect to get anything in return. That's why they prey on the weak kids, the ones least likely to react.

Teachers, parents, whatever can not control what happens. You need to teach your kids not to be a victim, if they don't stand up now it will affect the rest of their lives.....
oliver
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17 Mar 2011 2:26pm
chelles888
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17 Mar 2011 3:00pm
As a child i was bullied severely by a group of girls from primary school right through to highschool all because in grade 4 the "popular" boy liked me "not so popular" and not them, pretty pathetic hey and it affected my education for sure, couldnt wait to leave school and left early, always wagged and generally had a pretty unpleasant school experience. Payback for me was 8years later seeing the stupid b.tches looking fat, ugly and depressed and to top it off their man was checking me out lol. As a mum of 3 children i know how hard it can be to control these things and they may hate me at times for stepping in but god help any little **** who lays a hand on my child. Themselves, their parents and the school will have me to answer too. I hated my folks when i got bullied going to talk to the school only because nothing ever improved and it just made it worse, as a parent now i'm torn between getting involved and possibly making it worse for the child or letting the child handle it. Its happened once to both my boys and i encourage them to stand up for themselves first and walk away or tell the bully to grow up, i then encourage them to actually punch back if a fist is thrown but as that is quite severely frowned upon and teachers didnt give a **** when being told by my boys i had no choice but to confront it myself and the bullying stopped. Being bullied myself i understand the torment these victims go through and god damn it makes me soooo angry and upset. My eldest is in year 8 now anf fingers crossed nothing happened so far, i hope to god it stays that way. My advice to any parents is to encourage your child to have as many interests as possibly, sign up for as many things as possible because safety in numbers helps. I have also taught them to really value the friends they do have and if they see that one kid who's alone and all by themselves go introduce themselves, include them in, nobody wants to be alone. The kid who was picked on in the clip looked lonely, probably had issues with his weight he was struggling with and whilst i dont agree wioth the extent he took it i am on his side however he is lucky he didnt put that kid on his head, could of ended his life as well as his own:0( its a sad sad world we live in at times we do have the power to change xx
Kitewing
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17 Mar 2011 7:59pm
oliver said...




i had a bully who used to pick on me in primary school, the teacher saw him picking on me, i snapped and punched him 4 times in the face, the teacher called him over and said...."Mathew....you deserved that!" he never picked on me again.
getfunky
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17 Mar 2011 5:04pm
For the life of me I just don't understand how someone can punch someone right in the face who has no interest in fighting?? WTF is wrong with some people?

Hope that little excuse for a human being has a life-time limp to remind him of his own actions.

Agree, the pathetic sh!ts that egg on the bully need a slam too.

Hope the Casey kid get his situation sorted and stays outta trouble from here.

No way should he be suspended. Chastised maybe - but his education record should not suffer.
myusernam
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17 Mar 2011 7:19pm
how about taking responsibility for your own actions. I.e. skinny bully "If I keep pushing this kid and he snaps, he could royally f me up" Same as "if i jump in front of a speeding train I might get squished"

He did it and it happened. Full props to Casey for standing up for himself.

Stern warning for him not to ploeax kids on the head when he snaps in future.

Skinny kid can retreat to his corner humiliated.

All is well that ends well

(actually I reckon Casey should tap the skinny kid once more for good measure, in an occupationally health and safe way of course. Maybe a more traditional broken nose or kick in the nuts would be the go)

Casey if you're reading this good for you buddy. That little fkker had it coming.

Toots
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17 Mar 2011 6:14pm
Let this be a lesson to all you bully 12 year olds, if you wanna step to this fat forty year old watch out Mutha**ckers, I watch Sparticus.

Seriously though, we all have been bullied and we all bully without even knowing it(read all the posts here calling for the castration of the bully), its life in the pecking order. Bullying is not restricted to schoolyard violence, Anyone watched question time before? It comes from the top.
japie
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17 Mar 2011 9:18pm
How the fark could you live it down if the little sh!t was your kid?

You are so right Funky, what sort of "bringing up" posesses a person to do that? I know that if he were my boy I would be creeping with shame, as I hope his parents are, although somehow I doubt it.

Sure got his come uppance though and hopefully it will bring him round.

Toe rag!
Little Jon
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17 Mar 2011 9:32pm
doggie said...

Just watched it again, best body slam I have ever seen.


Hulk Hogan would be proud
Makaha
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17 Mar 2011 6:37pm
japie said...

How the fark could you live it down if the little sh!t was your kid?

You are so right Funky, what sort of "bringing up" posesses a person to do that? I know that if he were my boy I would be creeping with shame, as I hope his parents are, although somehow I doubt it.

Sure got his come uppance though and hopefully it will bring him round.

Toe rag!

Yep I agree,but somehow I think his oldies will be thinking of cutting a deal with some media outlet,cash in it could be there only opportunity.
Bigwavedave
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17 Mar 2011 8:47pm
I have been thinking about this vid all week.

While at first I found it disturbing, I came to the conclusion that we have given the namby-pamby do gooders enough time to trial their pacifist- no-retaliation philosophy a fair go. IT HASN"T WORKED. Bullying has not declined and is getting worse in it's level of violence. The bullies are getting away with their crime and the victims are being scarred for life.

I was bullied at school in the 70's. My dad was a boxer and showed me how to defend myself. I used his technique and once the bullies found out that a punch in the face from a victim wasn't worth the hassle, the bullying stopped.

Let's stop bubble wrapping our kids. Teach them to defend themselves.

Sometimes the old ways are still the best ways.
Little Jon
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17 Mar 2011 9:50pm
japie said...


You are so right Funky, what sort of "bringing up" posesses a person to do that? I know that if he were my boy I would be creeping with shame, as I hope his parents are, although somehow I doubt it.

Sure got his come uppance though and hopefully it will bring him round.

Toe rag!


Trouble is idiots breed more idiots. Reminds me of when I was waliking out of work one day and I noticed this kid on the other side of the street smoking but he would of been 10 to 12 years old. I tried not to stare or make it obvious I was looking at him but he noticed and gave me the finger and said something or other. Next moment, a car pulls up with what looked like his parents. He jumps in the back seat STILL SMOKING AWAY. They probably dropped him off to buy the cigs and went round the block.
getfunky
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18 Mar 2011 1:29pm
Bigwavedave said...

I have been thinking about this vid all week.

While at first I found it disturbing, I came to the conclusion that we have given the namby-pamby do gooders enough time to trial their pacifist- no-retaliation philosophy a fair go. IT HASN"T WORKED. Bullying has not declined and is getting worse in it's level of violence. The bullies are getting away with their crime and the victims are being scarred for life.

I was bullied at school in the 70's. My dad was a boxer and showed me how to defend myself. I used his technique and once the bullies found out that a punch in the face from a victim wasn't worth the hassle, the bullying stopped.

Let's stop bubble wrapping our kids. Teach them to defend themselves.

Sometimes the old ways are still the best ways.


Agree (unfortunately).

I hate violence, but in the real world, the only thing that stops a bully (that thrives on stacking peer pressure on a picked on person) in their tracks is a good smack in the chops and humiliation in front of the same peers.

Thought my dad was from Mars with his philosophy on bullies "You have to walk up to the biggest one (who was 2 yrs older than I) and punch him right in the face and if he gets up punch him again."

Turns out he was right (as I eventually learnt). And yes - even if you get whupped that bully is gonna think long before trying it again.

It's sad that biffo is the best way in these situations but when you have an ugly pack mentality like in that vid - the only thing that works is fear of the same whack in the mush (or body slam in this case).

Get ya kids to self defence if it's happening to them. At very least they will get fitness and some self asteem out of it. If they wipe the smug smile off the bully, even better.
cRAZY Canuk
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18 Mar 2011 7:38pm
Violence is no answer on either side of the coin, as much as I admire the one kid for sticking up for himself - I was taught never hit someone unless you expect them to hit you back - I didn't hit many people.

The out come for the skinny kid could have been much worse than it was it's a miracle his head didn't break his fall.

Because of the severity of his actions the kid that was picked on should be suspended it's one thing to hit someone picking on you in defence it's quite another to body slam him. The other issue is all that's going to happen is the bully is going to get a "gang" and it will just get worse. The bully should just be expelled!

I had a gym teacher that if he found a couple kids fighting he'd drag'm into the wrestling gym give'm boxing gloves make'm fight by the rules and let'm have at - worked well too bad it stopped
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