Recently acquired the perfect soulmate, won't complain when you are drunk, come home late, lipstick on your doodle etc etc

Now my question is

Should I get him nutted at 6 months as the Vet crowd recommend ? but other owners I speak with say, nah just go with it

Boy (obviously) Staffy, his old man weighs 23kg, so I'm thinkin that'd be a bit to handle in the wrong situation

Just askin other Breezers there thoughts on this going by another topic running at the moment

Just had his 10 week jab today, pills shoved down his throat, some sxxt syringed up his nose, thermometer up his date, strangely

enough he was a little subdued this arvo

Hope to hear some positive and informative replies

Ta

Veebs

Hey thanks Hooked

Yeah I'm fully aware of how well natured these hounds are/can be

But I just don't wanna be on the wrong side of a lawsuit or end up on TV, or have my lad removed from me if it can be avoided

So I'm still asking the question, to nut or not to nut


BTW I won't let him become a ball dog, they are much more intelligent than that, and he'll be doin plenty of beach/park time
to keep him occupied

I would think that if he's done he would be less likely to be stolen by bandits too?

Mahanumah said...
Definitely get him done. If you're not a registered breeder then why do you want him whole. Backyard breeders can be a big problem because they don't understand the issues a breed can have.

I got my Staffy from Staffy rescue in Vicco and the whole reason they exist is because of irresponsible backyarders and deadbeat owners who just don't care.

Staffys are awesome dogs but they do need lots of training. Teach them properly and you'll have the best dog in the world. Don't and you'll have trouble

perfectly said

Good on you Veebs for seeking info before making a call.

My beautiful staffie of 13 years died just over a month ago. She was purebred, registered with papers, bought from a registered breeder as a pup etc. I grew up with the misguided notion that mixed breeds were unpredictable etc, so at the time felt that was the best option. She had good bloodlines, so the breeder talked me into not desexing her to leave options open for a litter one day. The years went past and I never took her down that path. I don't think she was any extra trouble compared to desexed dogs, but she always kept a very lean weight compared to other staffies which was a good thing.

18 months ago her womanly bits became infected and she had to be desexed at 12 years of age to address that issue. Apparently complications with bits that aren't in use can be quite common. In my un-expert opinion, things went downhill very quickly for her since the late desexing - almost instant loss of energy, weight gain, hormonal lumps. From what I now understand, when desexed young before the hormones have kicked in, the body adjusts. When it happens suddenly when old, it's a massive shock to the system. If I had my time again, I would desex as a pup without hesitation. No dramas of being on heat, cheaper registration, no risk of associated health issues and no risk of accidental breeding.

In recent days I have started to look at adopting a new dog. I have been horrified by the euthanasia stats in Australia. I will always adopt homeless dogs from now on. The number of staffies in particular needing homes is FRIGHTENING - even purebred. If interested, check out www.pestrescue.org.au. There are also some interesting euthanasia stats by Council area in NSW at http://www.savingpets.com.au/nsw-pound-survey-201112/. A bit of Googling pulls up similar stats for other states. Thousands of beautiful healthy happy dogs put to sleep each year because we as a community don't want them.

So I guess my hot tip? Go the snip. Despite your best efforts, your mate may one day slip out of your yard for some action as per the other thread. Better to be safe than even accidentally contribute to a sad problem.

Other sad fact is how quick many Councils are to euthanase with minimal to no effort to locate owners (even when chipped and registered) or rehome. Many stories similar to the other thread - any excuse to euthanase, dogs euthanased within hours of pick up before the owners noticed they were missing etc. Very sad. The good news is, there are some Councils and communities who have really picked up the ball on this issue and are now not euthanasing ANY rehomable dogs. Euthanasia rates down from over 50% to under 10% with only terminally ill or seriously aggressive animals being euthanased.

Lots of sadness in this issue, but lots of hope too. Australians love dogs and our dogs bring us so much joy. We owe it to them to try harder

The problem of getting laid today is that you want more tomorrow.

I feel he will get all the love and attention he needs so do him the favour!

Take away this male curse we are born with and free him of it.

A pitbull is the most dangerous dog in the world, this is not disputable. And... the problem is even worse when the dog is an unaltered male.

Staffie, pitbull, same thing.

needsalt said..
Good on you Veebs for seeking info before making a call.

My beautiful staffie of 13 years died just over a month ago. She was purebred, registered with papers, bought from a registered breeder as a pup etc. I grew up with the misguided notion that mixed breeds were unpredictable etc, so at the time felt that was the best option. She had good bloodlines, so the breeder talked me into not desexing her to leave options open for a litter one day. The years went past and I never took her down that path. I don't think she was any extra trouble compared to desexed dogs, but she always kept a very lean weight compared to other staffies which was a good thing.

18 months ago her womanly bits became infected and she had to be desexed at 12 years of age to address that issue. Apparently complications with bits that aren't in use can be quite common. In my un-expert opinion, things went downhill very quickly for her since the late desexing - almost instant loss of energy, weight gain, hormonal lumps. From what I now understand, when desexed young before the hormones have kicked in, the body adjusts. When it happens suddenly when old, it's a massive shock to the system. If I had my time again, I would desex as a pup without hesitation. No dramas of being on heat, cheaper registration, no risk of associated health issues and no risk of accidental breeding.

In recent days I have started to look at adopting a new dog. I have been horrified by the euthanasia stats in Australia. I will always adopt homeless dogs from now on. The number of staffies in particular needing homes is FRIGHTENING - even purebred. If interested, check out www.pestrescue.org.au. There are also some interesting euthanasia stats by Council area in NSW at http://www.savingpets.com.au/nsw-pound-survey-201112/. A bit of Googling pulls up similar stats for other states. Thousands of beautiful healthy happy dogs put to sleep each year because we as a community don't want them.

So I guess my hot tip? Go the snip. Despite your best efforts, your mate may one day slip out of your yard for some action as per the other thread. Better to be safe than even accidentally contribute to a sad problem.

Other sad fact is how quick many Councils are to euthanase with minimal to no effort to locate owners (even when chipped and registered) or rehome. Many stories similar to the other thread - any excuse to euthanase, dogs euthanased within hours of pick up before the owners noticed they were missing etc. Very sad. The good news is, there are some Councils and communities who have really picked up the ball on this issue and are now not euthanasing ANY rehomable dogs. Euthanasia rates down from over 50% to under 10% with only terminally ill or seriously aggressive animals being euthanased.

Lots of sadness in this issue, but lots of hope too. Australians love dogs and our dogs bring us so much joy. We owe it to them to try harder

Good one Salt - the girls near us walk dogs at the local pound, 80% of these are stay crosses that can"t get new homes because folks are too scared that they haven"t been socialised - so good one you Veebs make the call and love the dog

Anyone looking for a great dog could do a lit worse than going here:

Www.staffordrescuevictoria.org.au

Got my Staffy from here. Best dog ever. They take rescues from all over the country, assess each dog and provide full details of the type of environment that would suit. Obviously the nutso ones are put down but all the rest will respond well to training and love.

All dogs leaving here are neutered so don't even ask. Duty of care and all that.

kk said..
I would think that if he's done he would be less likely to be stolen by bandits too?

Well I hope for their sake their Machete is bigger than mine

edit : Not quite sure how I embedded that pic into your post, but ahh

Mahanumah said..

Beaglebuddy said...
Staffie, pitbull, same thing.

You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

English Staffys are completely different to pitbulls.

And for the record... There are no dangerous dogs... just dangerous owners. Train your dog properly and it won't be dangerous.

Having said that... it is still your responsibility to keep your dog under effective control at all times. That's something most dog owners don't understand.

For the record, the correct name is Staffordshire Bull Terrier (where the breed originated).

I don't think staffys or pit-bulls are a beginners dog and there can be no doubt that because of this, staffs figure so prominently in rescue stats.

Ados said..

VB MAN said..
Thanks to all of you for your informative opinions

Looks like we're heading off to the chopping block Big Guy (sorry, was talking to the hound)

Tho still 3 months away I know he's gonna love me for it (not)

Nah, he won't even know they are gone. Good decision.

Ta

But I kinda wonder if it was me, and how happy I'd be about it

SpaceCoyote said..
I don't know how quickly staffies develop, but when I got my golden retriever pup I did a bit of research and in general people recommended not to get him desexed till around 12 months. First year is quite important as far as development of your pup goes and he needs the hormones to develop properly.

I can understand desexing a pit-fighting breed to calm them down but a Golden Retriever? They are already overly calm, they don't jump fences, unwanted reproduction is out of the question.

We'd had our previous whippet 6 years before I finally relented and let an insistent vet desex him while he was under the knife for another condition. I'd resisted their suggestions for years. If anything it made him worse, he became even crankier. Don't blame him. And it didn't drop his non-existent reproductive rate either. Found another vet.

SpaceCoyote said..
I don't know how quickly staffies develop, but when I got my golden retriever pup I did a bit of research and in general people recommended not to get him desexed till around 12 months. First year is quite important as far as development of your pup goes and he needs the hormones to develop properly.

I think I read something that suggests that if you don't get them snipped by an early age, it is too late to stop the behavior that you were wanting to stop.

That would add insult to injury. Behavioral problems and no nuts.

Get him desexed mate I have had three staffies all purebred over the last thirty years all males and all desexed I dont understand as far as wanting a balls to the wall confident dog you should have got a Jack Russell terrier
A typical day for my staffy entails

>7am wake up drop a fart
>grab a mouthful af biscuits and a peice of vegemite toast off the kids go back to sleep whilst farting and snoring
> wake up about 11am go through doggie door grab two kilos of flour out of the pantry spread it around the house with his best mate pixie the fox terrier whilst farting all the time
> crash till 3pm snore and fart wake up see what kids have got left in their lunch boxes while farting
>crash till 730pm walk to dishwasher see whats left on the plates fart go back to bed snore and fart till next morning

staffies dont make good guard dogs mate we rely on our little foxy to protect the house