pepe47 said...

felixdcat said...

You put your finger on it Silvio, if our heroes cops were doing a bit more " keeping the bastards out of town" against (speed trap) money raising for mr Barnett new office maybe then no innocent bystander would need to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. The cop master attitude is “well **** happens” .Not good enough mate!

Yep, Tony Abbott said the same thing in Afghanistan. Which appears to me is what they say when someone else's death won't directly effect them!

Easier said than done. Personally i am glad recent attempts failed to give Police (IMO) uneccessary powers that potentially (and have been demonstrated) infringe on the rights of many to keep a few in line are dnagerous.

So is encouraging the attitude that individuals (cops are simply human individuals with potential for ego corruption like anyone else) can operate outside the law - in the name of the law.

Anti-bikie laws have been introduced with mixed results. IMO the venue and security company need to take a BIG hit and be made an example of here.

3 reasons
1. Unsafe windows in a multi-story venue that contributed. Break proof glazing is not cheap - but neither are flashy solid wood bars, deccies, signage etc etc that is deemed worthy of expenditure. Get priorities right in venues that imbibe customers and potential for accidents/violence are increased.

2. Anyone who has worked in hospitality/entertainment know there are bouncers and dooormen. A lot (but let me stress - not all) of bouncers are well known to organise crime scum/bikies. They know the guys, hang with them in the gym/martial arts venues etc. They also move product for them (again - i am not saying this is universal).

As Torch said - he knew they were trouble the moment he clapped eyes on em. So just why did 'trained' security staff not recognise this?? Because they recognised them on too familiar a basis I would say. In fairness sometimes security have to tread carefully to avoid an altercation but it has been reported they were very pally on the night.

If the OBH's door staff have had a pally-pally relationship with the bikie scum and allowed them entry (despite the laws mentioned above by Mark) with potential for trouble a definate possibility (as proven in this case) then the venue and security company needs the biggest fkn book possible thrown at them! Other venues and security companies will take note, and if they can be found liable for the actions/choice of doorstaff, then that has a decent chance of cleaning up the conduit to bikie influence and/or bikie product moving through venues IMO.

3. To continue to serve beers and ignore an event of this magnitude shows exactly where the OBH's priorities and care for it's patrons is at. Disgusting.



None of this will bring back the poor bugger but may save someone else down the track.

getfunky said...

How do pubs get away with not having security glass (break proof - not just safety glass) fitted to 2nd story windows??

Building was probably built before AS1288. Current version is 2006.

First published in 1957 (AS CA26).

Building is probaly of that era (50-60's) but advancedments in laminated or toughened safety glass probaly not around at that stage or at least not incorporated into the Australia Standards.

Australian Standards cannot be retorspectively applied to building owners unless there is a considerable modification to the building (interior fitouts are not included in this category). Mind you the building was renovated in 2000. Maybe the glass was heritage listed? wouldnt surprize me...

getfunky said...

pepe47 said...

felixdcat said...

You put your finger on it Silvio, if our heroes cops were doing a bit more " keeping the bastards out of town" against (speed trap) money raising for mr Barnett new office maybe then no innocent bystander would need to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. The cop master attitude is “well **** happens” .Not good enough mate!

Yep, Tony Abbott said the same thing in Afghanistan. Which appears to me is what they say when someone else's death won't directly effect them!

Easier said than done. Personally i am glad recent attempts failed to give Police (IMO) uneccessary powers that potentially (and have been demonstrated) infringe on the rights of many to keep a few in line are dnagerous.

So is encouraging the attitude that individuals (cops are simply human individuals with potential for ego corruption like anyone else) can operate outside the law - in the name of the law.

Anti-bikie laws have been introduced with mixed results. IMO the venue and security company need to take a BIG hit and be made an example of here.

3 reasons
1. Unsafe windows in a multi-story venue that contributed. Break proof glazing is not cheap - but neither are flashy solid wood bars, deccies, signage etc etc that is deemed worthy of expenditure. Get priorities right in venues that imbibe customers and potential for accidents/violence are increased.

2. Anyone who has worked in hospitality/entertainment know there are bouncers and dooormen. A lot (but let me stress - not all) of bouncers are well known to organise crime scum/bikies. They know the guys, hang with them in the gym/martial arts venues etc. They also move product for them (again - i am not saying this is universal).

As Torch said - he knew they were trouble the moment he clapped eyes on em. So just why did 'trained' security staff not recognise this?? Because they recognised them on too familiar a basis I would say. In fairness sometimes security have to tread carefully to avoid an altercation but it has been reported they were very pally on the night.

If the OBH's door staff have had a pally-pally relationship with the bikie scum and allowed them entry (despite the laws mentioned above by Mark) with potential for trouble a definate possibility (as proven in this case) then the venue and security company needs the biggest fkn book possible thrown at them! Other venues and security companies will take note, and if they can be found liable for the actions/choice of doorstaff, then that has a decent chance of cleaning up the conduit to bikie influence and/or bikie product moving through venues IMO.

3. To continue to serve beers and ignore an event of this magnitude shows exactly where the OBH's priorities and care for it's patrons is at. Disgusting.



None of this will bring back the poor bugger but may save someone else down the track.

Sorry GetFunky - All the points you've raised above accept the fact that people in todays "modern" society are able to kill other people and then have others be held partially responsible for their actions. That's just not appropriate.
- If it had of been an outdoor balcony (the Cott) the guy would have still been thrown over and landed on his head. The glass surely didn't contribute to the death.
- Security guards let them in, sure. But again, how they can be held responsible for actions they didn't participate in - unless they knew the guy was going to be targeted. It's the same us saying the other bikies with him should be responsible because they knew he would be dangerous or that other punters should have seen the trouble coming so called police.

I was at the VIP bar at Big Day Out when Metallica were playing. Watched a guy go and talk to a bunch of bikies. They ignored him for 15 seconds, looked at each other then threw him to the ground and literally took turns standing in a circle kicking the **** out of him. There were 2 security guards up there and 8 bikies. No one could of stopped it except the cops who's only real deterring feature is to make their life hard in the future by charging them and dragging them through the courts - the "he's not worth the trouble so walk away" angle. Seen it work, but only with the cops. The bikies use the same angle on the security guards that try to stop them from entering. The "it's not worth your wage for us to have a punch up so just let us in" angle. Seen it work.

I actually can't see this dark side of society ever reversing it's trend - the drugs are getting harder and more available. The culture is becoming more mainstream with the popularity of UFC for example. However, this dark society still has rules and an honour code but this is diminishing almost as fast as technology is developing. Society is literally crumbling around the good people in the world - so what's the choice?
- Hide and live in fear and be told you asked for it when you want to go to a bar for a drink?? (ala raped women labelled as sluts if they wear a mini skirt)
- Stand up against them in their current form and get the **** kicked out of you and live in fear.
- Hit the gym, take roids and ice and become one of them???

I actually think the young generation hasn't got much choice with the above options. Living happily and being a nice guy doesn't seem an option.

WHY SHOULD GOOD PEOPLE HAVE TO MOVE IN FEAR IN ANY PART OF SOCIETY???

and how the hell does it change back the other way?

Here is your hero cop...felix.
I bet like your mate he wishes he didn't go to the "pub" that afternoon.
You guys sadden me with your garbage.
Take responsibility for your actions.






Truth is the commissioner is correct if the deceased wasn't at the pub drinking his chances of being assaulted would of greatly decreased. These attacks happen on a regular basis in the pub scene.

Blame who ever what ever. Not going to bring the poor young mans life back.
Time to say **** the pub scene.. id rather go and spend time precious time with my family and as "redgum" says.
Dosent matter to me ill sit down and watch you all on my colour tv"

Lets not turn this into a Cop Bash. would you risk your life every day for the money they get, i think not! then after risking life and limb you get abused, assaulted, spat on and more by scummy toe rags who have no respect for anything or anybody, who, then when they go to court get all the legal aid they want and a slap on the wrist by out of touch judiciary. I think I might turn a bit arrogant after while of this treatment from the general public, and who do we call when we need them?

felixdcat said...

busterwa said...

Here is your hero cop...felix.
I bet like your mate he wishes he didn't go to the "pub" that afternoon.
You guys sadden me with your garbage.
Take responsibility for your actions.






Truth is the commissioner is correct if the deceased wasn't at the pub drinking his chances of being assaulted would of greatly decreased. These attacks happen on a regular basis in the pub scene.

Blame who ever what ever. Not going to bring the poor young mans life back.
Time to say **** the pub scene.. id rather go and spend time precious time with my family and as "redgum" says.
Dosent matter to me ill sit down and watch you all on my colour tv"

Was not having a go at the poor bottom of the feeding ladder cop when I said hero cop butt at the big knobs cops wearing scrambled eggs on their hat and making sure to please the power that rules town that they will be plenty of cash register along the streets and the wealthy will be well protected. Constable Butcher was doing his job and has been let down very badly. And you have to feel sorry (not) for the poor men than assaulted him and now have difficulties to sleep at night cause they are depressed I suggest run them out of town covered in tar and feathers!
Also I hope you will never have to watch on your colour TV a report of one of your family or friend been bashed to death, maybe you live in a small country hole but that does not make you immune against bikies or thugs.

Agree with felix, all good until its you or someone that you love. It mite not be you but another family member.
Pull your head in buster

^^^^

So the bouncers have been sacked, no doubt gone to the four corners of the globe to never be seen again.

An all too familiar ring will resonate from this, similar to an incident at a hotel in Leederville.

Torch said...

doggie said...

Torch said...


- Security guards let them in, sure. But again, how they can be held responsible for actions they didn't participate in

I thought thats what would have been taught at crowed controller school, how to identify trouble and refuse or manage people.

If I were at work and identified a obvious safety issue that could cause injury or death and decided not to do anything about it, im pretty sure the coroner would be looking at nailing my arse in the event some one got killed.

I have spoken to the cops and funny enough all bouncers have been sacked and the cops are chasing evidence against them.

Good onya mate, best thing you could have done.

Its actually my girlfriend who is to the good deed, shes signing the statement, the cops are here as we speak....

doggie said...

worrier said...

doggie said...

Wtf is "Rock Machine"?

Bunch of fwits with too many roids in there system.
Should be put against a wall and shot the whole bunch of the pricks
W

Agree, these types should be taken off the street.

The problem is that the bouncers are either friends or part of the "Bikie" club. If they are a member of a "gang" they, the bouncers should not be able to work in the industry.

Imo these clubs should be not be alowed to operate like in SA. The sooner this happens the better!!

how about until you all get to know them which will prob never happen then you can judge them. but until then maybe you should keep your opinion to your self. the comment about all roided up is a load of bull

doggie said...

Reflex Films said...

the obh is one of my favourite locations for a quiet beer - such a great view and usually a really nice crowd too - a mix of ages and a nice laid back scene

such a shame something like this had to happen there - what goes through somebody's head to make them throw a fellow human out of a second story glass window ? my guess is ice rage..

I think you have hit the nail on the head, they prob watched some UFC before going there as well just to make matters worse.

Disclaimer :: Not having a go at UFC as a sport but what watching it does to some idiots

no actually it had nothing to do with ice.

LOGMAN said...

Western Australia, Yer, totally ace.

i know a member of rms offspring wont turn to ****!!!! that was so f***n rude for you to say that!!!! myself and a member of rm will be raising our child and i know the child will be raised to have respect etc just like their dad. just becuase they are apart of rm doesnt mean ****!!! its like saying someone from wa has started a fight so lets take it out on everyone from wa!!! its exactly what your saying about rm. they are not all bad guys!!

chick12 said...



...you make it out like all bikies are bad ...

I think they do quite a good job of that themselves. First off by forming gangs with names that deliberately sound bad.

If they are all benevolent and caring why not name their gang something nice and register as a charity ?

I think being bad is what they want to be.

chick12 said...

LOGMAN said...

Western Australia, Yer, totally ace.

i know a member of rms offspring wont turn to ****!!!! that was so f***n rude for you to say that!!!! myself and a member of rm will be raising our child and i know the child will be raised to have respect etc just like their dad. just becuase they are apart of rm doesnt mean ****!!! its like saying someone from wa has started a fight so lets take it out on everyone from wa!!! its exactly what your saying about rm. they are not all bad guys!!

Wow, strange reaction?

chick12 said...

Carantoc said...

chick12 said...



...you make it out like all bikies are bad ...

I think they do quite a good job of that themselves. First off by forming gangs with names that deliberately sound bad.

If they are all benevolent and caring why not name their gang something nice and register as a chari

I think being bad is what they want to be.

im not saying that they are good im saying that its not all of them that are bad. alot of rm members are family men who actually respect people and dont go out to start fights etc instead of hanging aorund pubs clubs etc they are at home with their partners and kids

Then may I suggest they quit the gang, which has obviosuly been infiltrated by a bad lot and now has a bad reputation. Oh hang on - can't do that 'cause if they do they will get the **** beaten out of them. Nice club to join.

subasurf said...

chick12 said...

i know a member of rms offspring wont turn to ****!!!! that was so f***n rude for you to say that!!!! myself and a member of rm will be raising our child and i know the child will be raised to have respect etc just like their dad. just becuase they are apart of rm doesnt mean ****!!! its like saying someone from wa has started a fight so lets take it out on everyone from wa!!! its exactly what your saying about rm. they are not all bad guys!!

Stay Classy bogan chick12....stay classy.

Hey Subasurf

Do you think the Smith children will be as foul mouthed as their mother ?