Got emailed this and found it to be a good read...


"The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living"

This was written by a 21 yr old female who gets it. It's her future she's worried about and this is how she feels about the social welfare system that she's being forced to live in! These solutions are just common sense in her opinion.



Put me in charge . . ..

Put me in charge of Centrelink payments. I'd get rid of cash payments and provide vouchers for 50kg bags of rice and beans, blocks of cheese, basic sanitary items and all the powdered milk you can use.
If you want steak, burgers, takeaway and junk food, then get a job.


Put me in charge of Medicare. The first thing I'd do is to get women to have birth control implants.
Then, we'll test recipients for drugs, alcohol, and nicotine. If you want to reproduce, use drugs, drink alcohol or smoke, then get a job.


Put me in charge of government housing. Ever live in military barracks?
You will maintain our property in a clean and good state of repair.
Your "home" will be subject to inspections anytime and possessions will be inventoried.
If you want a plasma TV or Xbox 360, then get a job and your own place.


Put me in charge of compulsory job search. You will either search for employment each week no matter what the job or you will report for community work.
This may be clearing the roadways and open spaces of rubbish, painting and repairing public housing, whatever we find for you.
We will sell your 22 inch rims and low profile tires and your dooff dooff stereo and speakers and put that money toward the “common good..”


Before you write that I've violated someone's rights, realise that all of the above is voluntary.
If you want our hard earned cash and housing assistance, accept our rules..
Before you say that this would be "demeaning" and ruin someones "self esteem," consider that it wasn't that long ago that taking someone else's money for doing absolutely nothing was demeaning and lowered self esteem.


If we are expected to pay for other people's mistakes we should at least attempt to make them learn from their bad choices. The current system rewards those for continuing to make bad choices.


AND While you are on Centrelink income you no longer have the right to VOTE!
For you to vote would be a conflict of interest..... If you want to vote, then get a job.

When did the NFI* party establish itself?


* NFI. no ****ing idea..

No wonder we have muppets leading the country when people actually believe this type of rubbish. I have taken ****s that had more thought go into them than this drivel. Probably better content to.

Hopefully for her sake she never becomes unemployed, sick or old.

Some of her ideas are kind of okay in a "I'm alright Jack" sort of way, however in the end it would cost more than having the system we have now. It would be cheaper to give people $200 a week than to give them food and stuff. Plus plenty of businesses rely on people spending their welfare money. With card systems they are trialling, small businesses miss out as the cards can only be used at bigger chain shops.


The vast majority of the money distributed by social welfare programs gets spent in the community the recepient lives in.

Of course in an ideal world it would be great to not have your income taxed to pay for social welfare. Of course we are taxed under the threat of violence, ie you don't pay your tax and you will get into a lot of trouble. Of course lots of this tax is wasted. Of course it can be argued that people who don't have to go to work because the state supports them, won't go to work.

There are tons of arguments against the current system. However alternative systems might be pretty frightening.

^^^ I bet that chicks parents wish that dad had blown her over the curtains with the rest of her sibling. I know I do..

Not just a troll, but a stupid troll

Imagine trying that one here.

Agreed. If someone owes the govt money in fines, unpaid state housing rent, damage to their property etc it shouldn't be up to them to organise Centrepay or whatever to deduct a miserly $5 a fortnight, if they don't cough up the money they owe their 'pay' should be automatically deducted. And deducted at a meaningful rate, not a token payment that will take 60 years to square things up.

Sure, some will say crime will go up because they need the money, but hey it might go down too. It might help those stuck in the vicious circle of fines suspended licenses.

I don't have a problem with "No Work = No Vote" it works for local Government, If you don't own property you don't get a vote.

What!!! just because you shop at Coles or Woolworths or drive a Holden or Ford do you expect to get a vote in that companies financial / management decisions of course not, as your a consumer of that company, so if you are a consumer of government funds and don't put in with employment tax why should you get a say?

I know of a guy working for a labour hire company that was doing 2-3 days work a week and was offered 4-5 days a week and refused as he would lose his Gov. benefits.... He never went back to that employer again and was replaced with someone that was keen to work.

evlPanda said...
Yeah! **** pensioners!

What about all the people born into rich families who don't have to go out and get a job and choose not to? They should be entitled to the vote too shouldn't they?

Anyway what is your vote worth? Most people live in electorates that are strong Labor or Liberal/National. Votes there are basically worthless as the party with the safe electorate could run a two legged dog as their candidate and it would win against Jesus Christ.

Self funded retirees get more benefits from the government through lower taxation on their superannuation contributions and exemptions from tax than the average Aged pensioner.

Self funded retirees tax exemptions is costing the federal government billions and the cost is going up and and up.

Social welfare for the middle and upper classes. Thats what its about nowdays.

Gizmo said...

Mobydisc said...

Self funded retirees get more benefits from the government through lower taxation on their superannuation contributions and exemptions from tax than the average Aged pensioner.

all super contributions are either taxed at 15% if they're a concessional contribution and non taxable if they are a personal contribution. If the super is turned into a pension earning and income are tax free.
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Aged pensioners would be paying NO tax...(except GST) + (Carbon Tax)

Not entirely true, an allocated pension in draw down phase is tax free. There income outside of super is still taxable, rent investment earnings etc....

Aged pensioners can still get the pension and pay tax, for a couple the asset test is just over a Mil and you can earn up to about 60k p.a under the income test.

What about when one is a pensioner and the other works, one is still a tax payer but essentially as a couple they are getting a pension.

Gizmo said...

I think some people are missing the point and trying to obscure things with padantics....
All I'm saying is "I'm getting sick of people sitting back and wanting handouts without getting off their backsides and working"

Moral of life.... You never get more out of life than you are prepared to put in!!!!

But your points all have no or very weak evidence to support them, you call it pedantic, I call them facts.. Or even the other side of the debate.
I agree people who wait for handout are less deserving but sometimes they can't do any better, what would happen if you threw 5-6% of the population on the scrap heap, its the natural rate of enemployment, zero unemployment is impossible..
And where would these people work? There is less jobs than people in Australia.


And out of interest where can't you vote in local elections, I know its not the case in NSW. Seems strange to take half the population out of a system that is based on everyone gets a vote.

Gizmo said...

Every day I back out of my driveway to go to work and know across the road is an able bodied guy mid30's that is living with mum and hasn't worked for 10years +.
And some of the companies I contract to who employ people are finding it hard to get good motivated workers and one of the reasons is "it's easier to be on Gov benefits".
Believe it or not but I'm seeing it every day.

Yep, i dont not agree, if your able to work, you should.

but I see self funded retires trying to scam centrelink daily. also see a lot of people lying on the taxes too, I don't make any distinction, it's all pretty **** behaviour in my opinion.

^^^ all he has to do is go to the Doc, say work makes him feel bad, get a bit angry/cry a bit and bang! - he's on disability pension. Even better than Newstart as then you don't have to even pretend to look for work.

doggie said...

Mark _australia said...

^^^ all he has to do is go to the Doc, say work makes him feel bad, get a bit angry/cry a bit and bang! - he's on disability pension. Even better than Newstart as then you don't have to even pretend to look for work.

So thats all you have to do, say work is bad?

Yep, and you get your GF to be your carer so she gets paid aswell.

Actually, it is a prick of a process.

Mark _australia said...

doggie said...

Mark _australia said...

^^^ all he has to do is go to the Doc, say work makes him feel bad, get a bit angry/cry a bit and bang! - he's on disability pension. Even better than Newstart as then you don't have to even pretend to look for work.

So thats all you have to do, say work is bad?

No, you do have to fake a bit of a mental issue.
Even better is the other option, you can just drink grog to excess and eat heaps of junk food - now how good is that! - and eventually get disability pension.

Piece of piss Mark, sure the old avoid Vietnam tricks would work, I heard a surfer at the time walked into the doctors smeared in his own poop after living in a cave and tripping for a week or so

And you are right, some people are scamming it, it is very much how you answer the questions they give you.