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Sharks, sharks and more bloody sharks

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Created by Youngbreezy 4 months ago, 17 Apr 2018
Youngbreezy
WA, 376 posts
17 Apr 2018 11:39PM
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Well I had hoped and expected that the heated argument around sharks would have reignited following the recent incidents in Margaret River

To get things going again I have posted a pic of the my preferred shark mitigation strategy


I hope you like it, they're currently doing a 2 for 1 special in the Margaret River area!!

novetti
WA, 215 posts
18 Apr 2018 8:17AM
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Thank god the two attacked survived to live another day.

Very good it happened at the competition period with all attention to the world watching (so they can see the true colors of ecowarriors going above common sense).
Lets see if the embarrassment forces some real action on this (some f K fishing happening).

Why a tourist would come to expensive WA to surf and be shark bait? 99.99% of surfer tourists would rather spend their dollars somewhere else with waves and where is safer too.

Australia is exceeding in the level of stupidity in pushing Tourism dollars away in many fronts...this is another one

www.ferraris-online.com/pages/article.php?reqart=FOC_201804_SS

No quokkas or maybe Dinossaurs (if we had them) would attract tourism dollars here if this trend continues on.
5 years in row international visitors numbers dropping in WA...and it will continue to drop unless something big changes.

oz surf
WA, 327 posts
18 Apr 2018 8:35AM
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Youngbreezy said..
Well I had hoped and expected that the heated argument around sharks would have reignited following the recent incidents in Margaret River

To get things going again I have posted a pic of the my preferred shark mitigation strategy


I hope you like it, they're currently doing a 2 for 1 special in the Margaret River area!!


I don't think that there is anything to argue about mate.
It's a big blow for tourism. We should be promoting shark fishing tours and competitions

Mark _australia
WA, 17948 posts
18 Apr 2018 8:36AM
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Its pretty simple

There was less shark attacks:

(1) when we allowed fishing for sharks

(2) before we stuck tourists on boats waving meat to attract them

(and possibly to a lesser extent when they bury whales at popular beaches (duh not hard to figure that one was retarded)

myusernam
QLD, 4979 posts
18 Apr 2018 11:31AM
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also when we hunted whales. less food.
big sharks eat mammals not fish i hear so the rise in mammal numbers said to be more of those bad boys.
heading over to WA for a month at the end of the year. No GWS in my neck of the woods and the thought of getting in the water over your way doesn't really appeal. Mate suggested a scuba off some rocks off albany and I told him to Jam it. Might hire a board in gero but i'll be shxtting myself. And i'm no shark wus i kite/ wsurf and dive / spearo with plenty of sharks and in croc areas but those GWS are a different thing altogether. Figure if it scares me then it must scare the non watersport tourist.

esoom
103 posts
18 Apr 2018 9:46AM
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Youngbreezy said..
Well I had hoped and expected that the heated argument around sharks would have reignited following the recent incidents in Margaret River

To get things going again I have posted a pic of the my preferred shark mitigation strategy


I hope you like it, they're currently doing a 2 for 1 special in the Margaret River area!!


Great idea ,free shark and chips for the next 12 months for pensioners and the homeless !!!!!!!!!!

Bara
WA, 362 posts
18 Apr 2018 9:58AM
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The margaret River pro has been cancelled due to these attacks now. Apparently its safe enough for locals day in day out but not safe enough for a bunch of pros in their workplace despite jetskis drones and helis for protection. Now if thats not a wake up call nothing is. McClowan over to you sport watcha gonna do????

thewest.com.au/sport/surfing/world-surf-league-cancels-margaret-river-pro-surfing-competition-due-to-unacceptable-risk-after-gracetown-shark-attacks-ng-b88809783z

MDSXR6T
WA, 927 posts
18 Apr 2018 10:36AM
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Bara said..
Now if thats not a wake up call nothing is. McClowan over to you sport watcha gonna do???

They will do exactly the same thing as when they lost the Red Bull air race, rally australia etc. SFA.

Isn't there a big surfclub carnivool this weekend? More food for the bitey's following the salmon north! Or maybe they will just stick to the pool?

evlPanda
NSW, 8461 posts
18 Apr 2018 12:57PM
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Just putting it out there, but wouldn't it be easier to cull surfers because they come up onto the beach? Would also reduce shark attack numbers.

I hear they taste something in-between chicken and penguin, so...

Adriano
8819 posts
18 Apr 2018 11:08AM
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Gold evil. Chicken n chips.

It is apt. Too chicken to brave the waters and accept personal responsibility so they want to get rid of the natural order...which is that sharks rule the oceans, not surfers....

I suspect this knee jerk reaction will crop up every time there's an attack....

What happened to the tough surfers they used to breed in the 1960's and 1970's?

Bara
WA, 362 posts
18 Apr 2018 11:13AM
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What happened to the tough surfers they used to breed in the 1960's and 1970's?


lol they fished the great white numbers down to safe levels. yeah we are pussies these days.

Bara
WA, 362 posts
18 Apr 2018 11:14AM
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Just putting it out there, but wouldn't it be easier to cull surfers because they come up onto the beach? Would also reduce shark attack numbers.

I hear they taste something in-between chicken and penguin, so...



lol spoken from nice safe east coast. no need to cancel comps there

ThePhil
WA, 1202 posts
18 Apr 2018 11:50AM
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Went all the way down to watch the Margaret river pro last year. No spectators were allowed on the rocks at Gracetown, due to dept of Environment.

I'm not kidding, that's like saying no spectators allowed at Ledge Point for Ledge to Lano.

mousetrap
WA, 62 posts
18 Apr 2018 1:32PM
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Conspiracy perhaps? The comp was probably cancelled due to the poor conditions. I reckon they would've still run it if the box was pumping this week. Imo these shark encounters and their publicity couldn't have happened at a better time. The more people afraid to surf here the better as crowded lineups suck.

Poida
WA, 1696 posts
18 Apr 2018 1:36PM
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Where are all the shark shields?
plus some bubble wrap for the brazos. ??

Bara
WA, 362 posts
18 Apr 2018 1:43PM
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Conspiracy perhaps? The comp was probably cancelled due to the poor conditions. I reckon they would've still run it if the box was pumping this week. Imo these shark encounters and their publicity couldn't have happened at a better time. The more people afraid to surf here the better as crowded lineups suck.


i reckon theres some truth in that but just maybe we get the best of both worlds down here now - less crowds and some action on protection as the tourism dollar takes a hit. Fark knows we have earnt a break our way!

Adriano
8819 posts
18 Apr 2018 2:26PM
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Bara said..lol spoken from nice safe east coast. no need to cancel comps there



evlPanda said..
Just putting it out there, but wouldn't it be easier to cull surfers because they come up onto the beach? Would also reduce shark attack numbers.

I hear they taste something in-between chicken and penguin, so...



Sorry to have to draw your attention to the facts and away from the emotional surfer diatribe...as you can see, the east coast is hardly "safe", as you put it....nor is the increase in attacks specifically due to increased shark numbers...

taronga.org.au/sites/tarongazoo/files/downloads/changing_patterns_of_shark_attacks_in_australian_waters.pdf
From the report:

Conclusion
"Patterns of attack have changed substantially over time as a result of the changing population and human behaviour. If human activity related to water-based activities and the use of beaches, harbours and rivers continues to change, we can expect to see further changes in the patterns, distribution, frequency and types of attacks in the future. Encounters with sharks, although a rare event, will continue to occur if humans continue to enter the ocean professionally or for recreational pursuit.

"It is important to keep the risk of a shark attack in perspective. On average, 87 people drown at Australian beaches each year (SLSA 2010), yet there have been, on average, only 1.1 fatalities per year from shark attack over the past two decades. It is clear that the risk of being bitten or dying from an unprovoked shark attack in Australia remains extremely low."

Bara
WA, 362 posts
18 Apr 2018 2:39PM
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Adriano said..


Bara said..lol spoken from nice safe east coast. no need to cancel comps there





evlPanda said..
Just putting it out there, but wouldn't it be easier to cull surfers because they come up onto the beach? Would also reduce shark attack numbers.

I hear they taste something in-between chicken and penguin, so...





Sorry to have to draw your attention to the facts and away from the emotional surfer diatribe...as you can see, the east coast is hardly "safe", as you put it....nor is the increase in attacks specifically due to increased shark numbers...

taronga.org.au/sites/tarongazoo/files/downloads/changing_patterns_of_shark_attacks_in_australian_waters.pdf
From the report:

Conclusion
"Patterns of attack have changed substantially over time as a result of the changing population and human behaviour. If human activity related to water-based activities and the use of beaches, harbours and rivers continues to change, we can expect to see further changes in the patterns, distribution, frequency and types of attacks in the future. Encounters with sharks, although a rare event, will continue to occur if humans continue to enter the ocean professionally or for recreational pursuit.

"It is important to keep the risk of a shark attack in perspective. On average, 87 people drown at Australian beaches each year (SLSA 2010), yet there have been, on average, only 1.1 fatalities per year from shark attack over the past two decades. It is clear that the risk of being bitten or dying from an unprovoked shark attack in Australia remains extremely low."



yeah ive seen that before - agenda driven rubbish dressed up as a "study"

maths 1 students could poke holes in the methodology.

back to google you go....

novetti
WA, 215 posts
18 Apr 2018 2:47PM
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Adriano said..

Bara said..lol spoken from nice safe east coast. no need to cancel comps there




evlPanda said..
Just putting it out there, but wouldn't it be easier to cull surfers because they come up onto the beach? Would also reduce shark attack numbers.

I hear they taste something in-between chicken and penguin, so...




Sorry to have to draw your attention to the facts and away from the emotional surfer diatribe...as you can see, the east coast is hardly "safe", as you put it....nor is the increase in attacks specifically due to increased shark numbers...

taronga.org.au/sites/tarongazoo/files/downloads/changing_patterns_of_shark_attacks_in_australian_waters.pdf
From the report:

Conclusion
"Patterns of attack have changed substantially over time as a result of the changing population and human behaviour. If human activity related to water-based activities and the use of beaches, harbours and rivers continues to change, we can expect to see further changes in the patterns, distribution, frequency and types of attacks in the future. Encounters with sharks, although a rare event, will continue to occur if humans continue to enter the ocean professionally or for recreational pursuit.

"It is important to keep the risk of a shark attack in perspective. On average, 87 people drown at Australian beaches each year (SLSA 2010), yet there have been, on average, only 1.1 fatalities per year from shark attack over the past two decades. It is clear that the risk of being bitten or dying from an unprovoked shark attack in Australia remains extremely low."

Written by an ecowarrior for a ecowarrior audience.
Changing human behavior? Yes we stopped fishing them that is the change that cause this.

Another change is less people in the water now than before (surfing and diving). Believe it or not in WA there is less water users then the 80's for these two activities alone. I got surfer friends OS they all tell me they prefer to go 10x to Indo in a surftrip for the price of one WA trip + the risk of becoming part of the ''low statistics''.

Also another change is cage diving and as previously mentioned here before hanging meat from the side of a boat to attract them.

A lot of accidents still happen in domestic pools (drowning). So lets ban all of them...

Sex is dangerous and transmit diseases...should be also forbidden. Just to put in perspective...

WA is a Shark state.

Ian K
NSW, 2688 posts
18 Apr 2018 4:50PM
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Adriano said..


Sorry to have to draw your attention to the facts




www.aihw.gov.au/news-media/media-releases/2000-1/jul/head-injury-a-danger-for-young-female-horse-riders

"Approximately 20 Australians are killed as a result of horse-riding activities each year, with 3000 being admitted to hospital with horse-related injuries."

Horses are our most dangerous large animal. Especially if you correct the stats for the amount of man-hours spent on horses each year compared to the man-hours spent in the ocean.

Ocean no problem, but you won't get me on a horse.

jbshack
WA, 6726 posts
18 Apr 2018 4:58PM
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Yarn here we go again.....

Just one point, many of you say cull them down to an acceptable level, (You chose to ignore scientific studies saying numbers are still low) but clearly this example would indicate that it only takes 1 shark..

So unless you remove all the risk of sharks, IE kill them all, will you really be safe

Lets face it, dead whales on the beach at Hamelin bay, dead whales on the nearby beaches to the attack, really, not such a great idea to go surfing IMHO..

Oh and lets remember, both these attacks "Could" have been avoided if the first group of surfers who were chased out early, had warned the next group of surfers, and the last attack could have been avoided if he had headed the beach warnings and fisheries instructions and got out of the water..

I get some have no interest in commonsense. But thats all it would have taken..

Adriano
8819 posts
18 Apr 2018 5:25PM
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Fancy that - common sense!

Nah kill them all....horses too....

busterwa
3594 posts
18 Apr 2018 5:31PM
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Great topic Must be up to round 6 now?.

FormulaNova
NSW, 7132 posts
18 Apr 2018 8:31PM
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Ian K said..


Adriano said..


Sorry to have to draw your attention to the facts






www.aihw.gov.au/news-media/media-releases/2000-1/jul/head-injury-a-danger-for-young-female-horse-riders

"Approximately 20 Australians are killed as a result of horse-riding activities each year, with 3000 being admitted to hospital with horse-related injuries."

Horses are our most dangerous large animal. Especially if you correct the stats for the amount of man-hours spent on horses each year compared to the man-hours spent in the ocean.

Ocean no problem, but you won't get me on a horse.



Good move that. I don't know why people trust a huge animal like that to treat you well.

I reluctantly went on a horse riding trip when in Chile a few years back. Of course, unlike most developed countries they didn't have helmets, so there we were riding horses without helmets in a foreign country on steep rocky ground! To make it worse, being the heaviest of the group at 100Kgs, I get the biggest horse which just happens to be the most stubborn horse in the group.

I don't know if its a well known thing that horses can tell this, but in this case the horse knew I didn't know how to ride and did whatever the heck he wanted to. Picture a horse that runs fast and then stands on the brakes to eat a bit of plant all of a sudden, many times during the trail ride.

Still, I would rather be back on that horse than swimming near a great white!

myusernam
QLD, 4979 posts
18 Apr 2018 9:00PM
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I saw what a horse did to mr hands and quite frankly it made me view horses in a different light.
And this
www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=394364694364909&id=371547896646589

busterwa
3594 posts
18 Apr 2018 7:23PM
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^ip now flagged by asio lol Thanks rolph harris

Kamikuza
QLD, 3347 posts
18 Apr 2018 9:31PM
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jbshack said..

Lets face it, dead whales on the beach at Hamelin bay, dead whales on the nearby beaches to the attack, really, not such a great idea to go surfing IMHO..


So here's a solution -- kill all the cats in Australia, drop them in the water like bread crumbs to lead the sharks away to somewhere you don't care about, like Tasmania or Auckland....

mkseven
QLD, 2142 posts
19 Apr 2018 9:20AM
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myusernam said..
also when we hunted whales. less food.
big sharks eat mammals not fish i hear so the rise in mammal numbers said to be more of those bad boys.
heading over to WA for a month at the end of the year. No GWS in my neck of the woods and the thought of getting in the water over your way doesn't really appeal. Mate suggested a scuba off some rocks off albany and I told him to Jam it. Might hire a board in gero but i'll be shxtting myself. And i'm no shark wus i kite/ wsurf and dive / spearo with plenty of sharks and in croc areas but those GWS are a different thing altogether. Figure if it scares me then it must scare the non watersport tourist.


Big sharks also follow the salmon, so many false facts get thrown around about sharks when the researchers know next to nothing about them. Comments like fish are too fast for the big sharks show a complete lack of anything regarding sharks & fish schools or anything nature really where predators target the slow, wounded or sick. As WA & NSW finding out big thing hungry, big thing bites something relatively soft & squishy that resembles & tastes like food, big thing satisfys grumble in tummy.

Saying great whites only eat high fat diets is like saying deer dont eat meat, dogs dont eat grass, birds dont eat rocks or we only eat hamburgers. Possibly they havnt evolved for us to be regular on they menu, for two long we have been fed test bite not enough fat content rather than bite to see if it is potential food & wait to see what happens, unfortunately no pro shark people are willing to put their lives at risk to disprove this.
The family in recent shark doco about Ballina area whose son died put it perfectly that everyones an eco warrior until their son or daughter dies.

Loving the fact they are consistently coming into Moreton Bay again & regularly being seen only a few km from my local sailing spot, like the plague proportions of bullsharks wasnt enough. Another decade or two we might have the crocs as well because they are equally as sacred.

I understand sharks have their place & keep the system healthy but I dont buy into the we are going into their environment thing, every one of us has just as much right to life as the shark except the surfers & swimmers arent killing the shark. Fishing some days are just a write off from them, & because I fish for sport i'd love to put that maybe 50+ year old fish back to enjoy the rest of it's day not get eaten by the opportunist sharks & for alot of those fish there are alot more sharks around than many species of fish.

kato
VIC, 2243 posts
19 Apr 2018 10:22AM
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It's an easy fix. I haven't eaten shark ever.....and I have never had a shark eat me. We have an agreement

paulyNOR
WA, 26 posts
19 Apr 2018 1:39PM
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Resuming fishing them might help, but they sure get around.

www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa/shark-migration-great-white-shark-28-travels-from-nsw-to-wa-ng-b380f2a2d907e4d617f3a11a2806acd2

jbshack
WA, 6726 posts
19 Apr 2018 4:34PM
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