Admit to yourself what you know in your heart that the current way of the world cannot last and will end.

Open your mind to new possibilities.

Info here:- www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/

Good movie here:- (If you can't spare 3 hours you probably don't care anyway.)

From the thread title I thought this may have been about tonight's Q&A on ABC, Richard Dawkins v Cardinal George Pell

Planned obsolescence is something we have known about for many decades and is NOT what the movie is about but is a major factor in what it is about.

Planned obsolescence is one of the things that sustains a market based economy which almost the whole world operates on, but as we all know, we live on a finite world so therefore a market based economy will reach an end point like a cancer that feeds off it's host and then itself.

The movie is NOT about New World Order or One World Government or Conspiracy Theories, nor am I trying to recruit anybody.

A new way of thinking and acting is required if the human race is to survive beyond the next two hundred years or less.

I cannot possibly précis the movie for you due to it's complexity. I can assure you it is well worth the watch.

Maybe a little heavy going, so allow yourself a few coffee breaks.

ok, here is an explaination in a single breath..
about all I and many others who know will allow for the 'zeitgeist' movement..

'zeitgeist' meaning 'spirit of now', or 'spirit of age'... basically concensus reality....

... a manipulated concensus reality


zeitgeist movement is a depopulation agenda front

a depopulation based on aristocracy not meritocracy

meaning you , I, anyone other than an illuminated aristocracy, is nothing more than an indentured slave stooge for the rich to enable the perpetuation of the planet in the current rape and pillage mindset......

except, you're brainwashed to believe the deaths of many were nessesary to garrantee the evolving future of a new beginning to the planet..

but, it's the same old bullshcnit...

everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others... (sound familiar...?)

Not sure it challenges my belief.

I believe that every generation has decried the age in which they live and proclaimed that life in the past was better, happier and more sustainable. They have all cried out that the way they were living was wrong and could not go on and civilisation was in decay.

In many ways they were correct - life moved on and we now longer live like any of them did, but that change has come about through evolution not revolution and the decay seems to be a long one, and one in which growth seems pretty strong for decay.

The times we live in now must be at the end of decay if you listen to all the doomsayers of the last 2,000 years. But - they are some of the quiest, most democratic, least dictatorial ever. They are certainly blessed with the lowest infant mortality, longest life expectancy and best access to justice. There is more leisure time than ever and more freedom to think, believe and preach whatever you so wish.

Instead of watching 3 hours of somebody preaching their version of the truth try this :

Pick a random number from 1 to 2000, assume that is a year and now go read up what life for somebody in whatever your position is was like back then.

Then check the changes from then to today, add up the pluses and minuses, and finally note how many of those changes (good and bad) have come about by society listening to preachers.


Sorry, but nope, it hasn't challenged my beliefs. It confirmed that every generation has a bunch of doomsayers who peddle their wares for they own benefit. They used to rely on the spirit argument, then the God argument, then the spaceman argument, then the earth argument and I am sure they will come up with a new argument, but I doubt it will change my belief that is is all the same argument.

kiteboy dave said...

The [creator of that film] may be most famous for alleging that the attacks of Sept. 11 were an “inside job” perpetrated by a power-hungry government on its witless population, a point of view that Mr. Joseph said he has recently “moved away from.”

I wouldn't trust anything from a conspiracy theory nut trying to become less of a conspiracy theory nut now he's found something that's getting some attention.

If "inside job" makes you a conspiracy nut, better that, than to be a moron

You may also like:



http://www.clubofrome.at/archive/limits.html
www.clubofrome.at/archive/pdf/limits.pdf

Club of Rome is:

The Club of Rome is a global think tank that deals with a variety of international political issues. Founded in 1968 at Accademia dei Lincei in Rome, Italy, the CoR describes itself as "a group of world citizens, sharing a common concern for the future of humanity." It consists of current and former Heads of State, UN bureaucrats, high-level politicians and government officials, diplomats, scientists, economists, and business leaders from around the globe.[1] It raised considerable public attention in 1972 with its report The Limits to Growth. The club states that its mission is "to act as a global catalyst for change through the identification and analysis of the crucial problems facing humanity and the communication of such problems to the most important public and private decision makers as well as to the general public."[2] Since 1 July 2008, the organization has its headquarters in Winterthur, Switzerland.

Oddly this sounds exactly like the conspirators that we are so often warned about on this forum, so now I'm just confused.

FlySurfer said...

kiteboy dave said...

The [creator of that film] may be most famous for alleging that the attacks of Sept. 11 were an “inside job” perpetrated by a power-hungry government on its witless population, a point of view that Mr. Joseph said he has recently “moved away from.”

I wouldn't trust anything from a conspiracy theory nut trying to become less of a conspiracy theory nut now he's found something that's getting some attention.

If "inside job" makes you a conspiracy nut, better that, than to be a moron

I'm a bit confused, just to be clear, are you saying that only morons believe 9/11 was done by Al-Qaeda?

Oh god, here we go again.

"Hey Morans! A team of explosive experts went into two of the busiest buildings in the world and planted explosives without anybody noticing. You are morans if you don't believe me without questioning how stupid this sounds. By the way you are all morans!"

vs

A terrorist organisation, very well know prior 9/11 btw, got lucky. Knee-jerk reactions followed including massive botch ups and a lot of missing money. Chaos ensues. War is managed for public perception as it always has been. OBL gets even more than he wanted.

I think the twin towers will go down in history alongside the Trojan horse.

...or was the Trojan horse a conspiracy

PS you are all morons. Do I have your respect now?

evlPanda said...

Oh god, here we go again.
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OMG Panda, how many freaking times do I have to tell you they did extensive maintenance when Larry took over (OSTENSIBLY to re-coat the columns with fire retardant ).

You're like the Aust Post insurance guy... who just won't look at my bicycle wheel which is bent sideways.

So just ignore Building 7, Al-Qaeda did it... I saw it on TV rag heads in a cave jumping up and down with joy.


Woohoo this going to be fun, again.

kiteboy dave said...
I'm not biting, MoranSurfer.

Intelligence isn't something you can bite.

Is there a text version I can read at my own pace? I don't have three hours. Seriously.

Rex said...

cisco said...


As I understand it the purpose of human life is to leave the world a better place from one having been there.

Where on earth did you get that idea?

It was a flash out of the blue.

FlySurfer said...

kiteboy dave said...
I'm a bit confused, just to be clear, are you saying that only morons believe 9/11 was done by Al-Qaeda?

I don't know who Al-Qaeda are, maybe they're a demolition team. What I'm saying is only morons believe WTC complex imploded without planted demolition explosives.

+1

petermac33 said...

I know this whiz-kid uni student,brought up what evil panda is still in denial over.

After two hours of discussion----did not get past go--- he is also in denial.

He has a great life----so why go there?

Put barriers up to everything i said. Example, you don't know for sure that fire can't weaken steel to point of collapse,and on and on.

Next day had the worst headache.Now don't go there unless they have an open mind.

The problem is some people out source their thinking.
People who have good communication skills, they're educated and well read, have simply made the decision to form a trust relationships with people and organizations.
They won't look at the evidence, because they have been told something from somebody they trust, so they have no need to waste their time looking in to what some nut has said on a forum.

So what are you going to do, pop their bubble? Break their trust relation?

It's quite easy to identify outsource'ers... they'll ignore the content of a message, and focus on the messenger.
Person X is a drug addict.
Person Y has certification blah.

It happens to all walks, event conspiracy nuts who put their trust in a messenger instead of analysing the message.

A lot of trust relationships are formed by following somebody else you trust... like my dad believes the Bible, so I believe it too.
The crowd believes iPhones are best, so I want an iPhone... use case doesn't even come in to the equation.

So why question and analyse everything, when you can follow?

I remember as a kid, asking a school mate "did you see that news report", and he said "you can't believe everything you see on the news" and I thought, what an idiot, as if they'd lie on the evening news.

It wasn't for a good many more years that I finally awoke from the bliss of my ignorance... and I'm not sure about being better off.

But as a famous person once said, Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.