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SuperPoop
SuperPoop
QLD
73 posts
QLD, 73 posts
22 Jan 2013 6:06pm
Any swimmers on here?

I'm wanting to start swimming laps at the local pool. I've never been a fantastic swimmer, but I figure it's about time that changes. I want to be able to swim 5km with no real time dialed in.

I'm a self taught swimmer so I assume I've got terrible form. Would it be best if I got some stroke correction lessons?

Are those dam dick togs a must?
FlySurfer
FlySurfer
NSW
4460 posts
NSW, 4460 posts
22 Jan 2013 7:53pm
It's summer, go swim in the sea... put some fins on, and you can do 10kms in ~ 1.5hrs

I used to swim ~2km in a pool 3-4 times a week (winter).
1.- Farking boring in the pool.
2.- It's harder than the sea.
3.- Chlorine.
4.- Bastards in your lane.

If you're a self learner, you can correct your own form to an extent, ie not Thorpedo level.

southace
southace
SA
4803 posts
SA, 4803 posts
22 Jan 2013 7:45pm
FlySurfer said...
It's summer, go swim in the sea... put some fins on, and you can do 10kms in ~ 1.5hrs

I used to swim ~2km in a pool 3-4 times a week (winter).
1.- Farking boring in the pool.
2.- It's hard than the sea.
3.- Chlorine.
4.- Bastards in your lane.

If you're a self learner, you can correct your own form to an extent, ie not Thorpedo level.



Sea
1.- Farking exciting getting chased by sharks.
2.- jellyfish irganji and box jellyfish.
3.-salt in eyes and seaweed.
4.-surfies cutting in on your waves!
FlySurfer
FlySurfer
NSW
4460 posts
NSW, 4460 posts
22 Jan 2013 8:45pm
southace said...
Sea
1.- Farking exciting getting chased by sharks. get real
2.- jellyfish irganji and box jellyfish. Bluebottles... but you should see them with a mask on.
3.-salt in eyes and seaweed. mask.
4.-surfies cutting in on your waves! you should be past the break.



GPA
GPA
WA
2529 posts
GPA GPA
WA, 2529 posts
22 Jan 2013 5:55pm
Although I was a surfer for 20yrs, once I broke my back and had to do a tonne of swimming for rehab, I was shocked at how bad I was. I could barely string 2 x 25m laps together without my lungs busting. Obviously, my technique was bad...

Someone gave me a copy of John Konrad's Swim Easy instructional video, which from memory has 7 basic steps. To counter the boredom I concentrated on one technique per visit. Soon enough I was doing a km non-stop, building up to a 2km non stop and found myself in the fast lane timing myself...

15 years on, my times have slipped a lot, but I can still pop down once in a while and push out 1.5km non-stop.

If you are serious about getting better, and just want to do it in your own time, this could be $60 well spent.

http://johnkonrads.com.au/swim-easy-dvd/
paulford
paulford
WA
312 posts
WA, 312 posts
22 Jan 2013 6:43pm
A year ago i taught myself front crawl after years of breast stroke. After a couple of months i was swimming 1000m every other evening at my local pool at Riverton. Not a lot but i was stoked with my efforts. Pools are like fight arenas, you are either too slow or too fast. And then there's the swimmers wearing swim fins who give you no mercy as they slice you up.
Fark it, now i just swim the sea, cant be doing with the rush hour at the pool. Too many champs blasting the fast lane.
LeStef
LeStef
ACT
514 posts
ACT, 514 posts
22 Jan 2013 11:26pm
I swim 1500m twice a week, pool is next to work so can go at 11.30 before lunch.
Outside pool is much nicer.
Try to break it in small sections, just to break the monotony and to remember how many laps you've done. I do:
200 free
200 back one way and breaststroke return (not so easy with sun in the eyes on the way back).
then 200 m free with a small pool-boy. and breathing every 3 - 4 - 5 strokes.
and start again
Then after few goes you won't stop.
Good luck
Shane10
Shane10
QLD
102 posts
QLD, 102 posts
22 Jan 2013 10:42pm
Swimming is the best excercise there is I reckon. Sydney's ocean rock pools are one of the best public features. Pity we can't have them on the goldy.

I swim a lap of the superbank (with sweep, definatly not against) which is 100x more interesting than a lap pool. Fins to start, saves you going flat out and messing up your rthymn. Slow and steady and you'll find what feels efficient and comfortable.

Having said that I don't think there's a person alive that couldn't use a bit of help to tune their stroke.
shunter
shunter
WA
441 posts
WA, 441 posts
22 Jan 2013 9:47pm
Like GPA I started swimming mid last year to help out with a dodgy back and to drop some weight and generally get fitter. I now swim twice a week in a swimsmooth squad, and am seeing good improvements every month. As a surfer I always found swimming in a pool by my self as boring as having Sunday lunch with twice removed Aunty. But the squad environment and a great coach have made getting up early a couple of times a week and hitting the pool pretty enjoyable. On the plus side my surfing and other water sports have also seen great improvements from the regular swimming

Check out swim smooth web site and they have books, DVDs forums. Technique plays a big part in swimming and swim fitness, I am a classic sinker with my toes dragging on the bottom of the pool, a few tips from a good coach and body position changes have helped a lot but I still have a long way to go. I can recommend joining a squad, it motivates you to regular commit to swimming and pushes you outside your comfort zone so you should see improvements.

Cheers

Beaglebuddy
Beaglebuddy
1595 posts
1595 posts
23 Jan 2013 4:58am
Plenty of youtube videos about technique.
Try swimming with mask, snorkel and fins at first then slowly ditch the gear as you get stronger.
pweedas
pweedas
WA
4642 posts
WA, 4642 posts
23 Jan 2013 10:34am
FlySurfer said...
It's summer, go swim in the sea... put some fins on, and you can do 10kms in ~ 1.5hrs




Gee flysurfer, with those times you should be in the olympics.
That's 6.6 Km/hr average, so you must be even faster on the sprints.
To what do you owe this fantastic ability?
You're not Ian Thorpe are you?
Grant Kenny?
jbshack
jbshack
WA
6913 posts
WA, 6913 posts
23 Jan 2013 10:53am
Beaglebuddy said...
Plenty of youtube videos about technique.
Try swimming with mask, snorkel and fins at first then slowly ditch the gear as you get stronger.


I have a terrible swim style and swim with a snorkle. I told the oldy's who asked i had a kneck injury
tmurray
tmurray
WA
485 posts
WA, 485 posts
23 Jan 2013 11:57am
5 km is 100 laps of a 50m pool. That's a lot of following a black line.
If your stroke technique is bad you WILL injure yourself - choose now whether you prefer to pay for some stroke correction lessons, or a whole lot of physio down the track.
Definitely join a swim squad - you will get some tips, it will help a lot with motivation.
And sorry but proper 'dick togs' are a must.
Tractorguy
Tractorguy
TAS
543 posts
TAS, 543 posts
23 Jan 2013 3:28pm
Forget the Bum hungrys, get yourself tri pants or a suit.
evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
9207 posts
NSW, 9207 posts
23 Jan 2013 3:53pm
Rudebeef said...
Swimming is the best excercise there is I reckon. Sydney's ocean rock pools are one of the best public features. Pity we can't have them on the goldy.


I kid you not people complain that they aren't heated.

AquaPlow
AquaPlow
QLD
1066 posts
QLD, 1066 posts
23 Jan 2013 6:21pm
Adult squad normally have 2 types - adults learning technique - and gradually building endurance and the top end of the training ladder.
1). happy to do 50 in 50-60 secs they might swim 2.5 kms mostly less a squad.
2). unhappy if a race 400 isn't under 35-40 secs - they follow what is on the swim board - they nearly always swim 5 kms a squad

Type 1) Good starting point & as mentioned = motivation - morning squad my way = 1.5 hours from 5:30.

The SLS bronze run/swim/run = 400m in 9 minutes. For a swimmer this is easy.
For a non-swimmer / un fit this is a push.

My goal was basic endurance so 20 laps in 20 minutes (1Km) then 40 in 40 but never pushed enough to achieved 60 in 60. As mentioned use any aids which help you, obviously goggles (rub a v.light smear shampoo on inside to stop fogging). Flippers - smaller the better - hand paddles load up your shoulders - and if you are bad at pacing URself a snorkle - can use your standard one but central one is excellent.
Normally find a kickboard to use at pool - U either have it or U do not - I do not so always flipper up.
Bottom line - felt better after - suggest U set realistic goal(s) so swim for an hour with range of activities and try to improve number of laps - 5 kms for a non-swimmer (over 40-ish) is a great goal but realistically likely to take 3+ months visiting 4 times a week.
Once U have 10 laps under your togs U do not care what U R wearing..

Cheers
AP
the gibbo
the gibbo
WA
776 posts
WA, 776 posts
24 Jan 2013 3:54pm
Some or all the above is cool.
18 months ago i had a couple of lessons (awful swimmer 25m a problem) stroke correction mainly really help to glide rather than drag myself through. Head down arse up look at the bottom of the pool, or your arse drops and u r dragging your legs.

So 14 months on tried flippers/float etc, got the nark with it and made my mind up to do it with out these, best thing i could have done. You dont need that crap. Just swim and make up your mind to stick to your goal and master one stroke.
Extend the length of swim every time or second time you go into the pool 50m at a time, even if you have to stop for a bit. Now is all good, getter better 1k is ok in around 20mins and slowly getting stronger. Took me a long time to build it up though.
AP comments are good.

I mainly got into it for the kids, if they get in trouble i might be able to help.

Pweedas beat me to it, Fly Surfer 10k in 1.5hr=9 mins per k=no way or very strong current, am bloody sure this would be world record pace. No offence but this must be one of memories that gets better as u get older, ha
SuperPoop
SuperPoop
QLD
73 posts
QLD, 73 posts
24 Jan 2013 7:10pm
Flysurfer did say 10km in 1.5hours with FINS on.

Turns out my local pool has a masters club with training twice a week. They say they cater from beginners to advance. Looks like this fatty is buying some dicky togs :(
4xsama
4xsama
14 posts
14 posts
26 Jan 2013 11:48am
I swim 4/5 mornings a week and at least, if not both days, once on the weekends (in sluggos too I'm afraid).

When I was studying I'd knock out 3km a day. My level of fitness was also pretty terrific. Then work got in the way.

At my peak fitness it was all about the black line and breathing. Almost meditative. I'd love to get to that stage again.

My advice is buy some hand paddles. They will show up swim errors pretty quick. Also, have a read of this;

http://www.runnersworld.co.uk/triathlete/triathlon-swim/seven-steps-to-better-swimming-technique/4520.html
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