The Childcare Problem

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evlPanda
evlPanda
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18 Jul 2012 5:48pm
Anyone have a solution?

Looking around Sydney, and if you can find a place you are looking at $100+ per day. That's ~$25,000 per year, about the same as a very, very expensive University degree. For childcare.

When I was younger it was free (Uni too).
felixdcat
felixdcat
WA
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18 Jul 2012 3:50pm
don't have kids if you can't afford them!
stuk
stuk
NSW
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18 Jul 2012 5:51pm
Modify your lifestyle so a parent stays home with your children, worked for me.
Scotty88
Scotty88
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18 Jul 2012 3:53pm
Everything was free when Whitlam got in.
Free this, free that. Sh1t it's only money til it runs out.
myusernam
myusernam
QLD
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18 Jul 2012 5:54pm
evlPanda said...

Anyone have a solution?

Looking around Sydney, and if you can find a place you are looking at $100+ per day. That's ~$25,000 per year, about the same as a very, very expensive University degree. For childcare.

When I was younger it was free (Uni too).


move from sydney. festered pus hole
Pitbull
Pitbull
WA
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18 Jul 2012 4:19pm
Count yourself lucky. I've got twins!! Double everything.
Sailhack
Sailhack
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18 Jul 2012 6:36pm
$80 per day private daycare with 50% reimbersed, so $40 per day (council runs it using private carers)...cost of living in the city must suck balls!

Our daughter had a seizure (febrile convulsion - her 2nd to-date) on Monday arvo just mins before I turned up to pick her up, the daycar'er was kneeling down and on phone to 000 doing what she should waiting for the ambo whilst waiting for our girl to come-to. I jumped in the ambo with my 2yo, and she spent yesterday at home with her mum. Back at daycare today (after a day in the clear and in good health) and took a bunch of flowers to say thanks. I think she was more terrified than us (she's told us that she adores our little girl), she was shaking when I got in the ambo, so called later that night to reassure her that our daughter was home from hospital & doing well.

I'd hate to think what would've happened in a large daycare facility!
Pitbull
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18 Jul 2012 5:51pm
felixdcat said...

don't have kids if you can't afford them!


How do the 'boat people' afford to have 8+ kids?
Troyrotor
Troyrotor
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18 Jul 2012 7:58pm
Centrelink pays for them
Simondo
Simondo
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18 Jul 2012 8:43pm
Evil Panda,
You are pure evil for even thinking along the lines of 200-250 days of child care... Why did you even have a kid if you are thinking along the lines of 250 days child care... Paying someone else to raise your kid!? Are you serious?

You should be thinking along the lines of 75-100 days per year, tops.

Short term pain on the money front... suck it up... Imagine living in a poorer area in Sydney in the 1850's in a house with a dirt floor, with no electricity.... TV, cars, and phone weren't even invented...

Sincerely,
me.
Simondo
Simondo
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18 Jul 2012 8:46pm
Sailhack said...

$80 per day private daycare with 50% reimbersed, so $40 per day (council runs it using private carers)...cost of living in the city must suck balls!



Same here.

Sorry to hear about your girl. At least she bounced back quickly!
Gwendy
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18 Jul 2012 8:34pm
stuk said...

Modify your lifestyle so a parent stays home with your children, worked for me.


Leave Sydney. Worked for me.
evlPanda
evlPanda
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18 Jul 2012 9:12pm
Simondo said...

Evil Panda,
You are pure evil for even thinking along the lines of 200-250 days of child care... Why did you even have a kid if you are thinking along the lines of 250 days child care... Paying someone else to raise your kid!? Are you serious?

You should be thinking along the lines of 75-100 days per year, tops.

Short term pain on the money front... suck it up... Imagine living in a poorer area in Sydney in the 1850's in a house with a dirt floor, with no electricity.... TV, cars, and phone weren't even invented...

Sincerely,
me.


Yes, but it's not the 1850s, is it. (or the 1970's)



5 days/week is an extreme example. We are actually looking for 3.

Nonetheless it used to be free. Not for profit.
The Government pays for half, which is probably close to or even more than it cost when they were free for the public, and now we pay for the profit.
Reread that last sentence.

10 points for the name of the Minister that was responsible for this change before joining the board of ABC childcare. </conspiracy theory>

stamp
stamp
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18 Jul 2012 9:18pm
rebates should refund most of that. our local is $90ish per day, we paid around $18.
having said that, we used to leave our daughter there on Wednesdays, but found she would come home sick with something new every week.

we rearranged our schedule so that she doesn't go at all anymore, one of us is always home. i realise that's not possible for many people...
chrispychru
chrispychru
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18 Jul 2012 9:28pm
i cant believe im subsidising people that wont look after their own kids. now thats a scam
Scotty88
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18 Jul 2012 7:51pm
evlPanda said...

Simondo said...

Evil Panda,
You are pure evil for even thinking along the lines of 200-250 days of child care... Why did you even have a kid if you are thinking along the lines of 250 days child care... Paying someone else to raise your kid!? Are you serious?

You should be thinking along the lines of 75-100 days per year, tops.

Short term pain on the money front... suck it up... Imagine living in a poorer area in Sydney in the 1850's in a house with a dirt floor, with no electricity.... TV, cars, and phone weren't even invented...

Sincerely,
me.


Yes, but it's not the 1850s, is it.



5 days/week is an extreme example. We are actually looking for 3.

Nonetheless it used to be free. Not for profit.
The Government pays for half, which is probably close to or even more than it cost when they were free for the public, and now we pay for the profit.
Reread that last sentence.

10 points for the name of the Minister that was responsible for this change before joining the board of ABC childcare.




Larry Anthony was minister when Howard was in. I think childcare portfolio or similar. I recall he was National party and his Dad was a former minister also.
evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
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18 Jul 2012 10:06pm
^ ah yeah...

FAILED childcare chain ABC Learning paid one of its directors, former childcare minister Larry Anthony, more than $235,000 to lobby governments on its behalf.


From former objective newspaper The Australian
www.theaustralian.com.au/nocookies?a=A.flavipes

So you see the government still pays for childcare, formally known as kindergarten, and we do too now. It's a win-win for childcare, a break even for the government, and a lose for us.

It kinda makes no sense.
kiteboy dave
kiteboy dave
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18 Jul 2012 10:14pm
childcare isn't kindergarten.

You couldn't ever drop a 6 month old at kindergarten from 7am till 5pm.

I was a bit worried by all the talk, but in the end we had our choice of many places (northern suburbs brisbane) and ended up going with a great local 'family daycare' woman which means she has 2 other kids at most. Cost is $42 p/d without any rebates - might be able to get some to reduce that.

Can't see what all the fuss is about from my experience.
theDoctor
theDoctor
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18 Jul 2012 10:21pm


take nude photos of them

sell them to the highest bidder

pay for your childcare
evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
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18 Jul 2012 10:25pm
"childcare isn't kindergarten."

^ true that.


Well see it/kindergarten used to be paid for by the government. Now it is paid for by the government plus a nice profit paid for by us.

From an article in Courier Mail May 2012

FORMER federal minister and ABC Learning Centres director Larry Anthony has defended leaving out in annual reports almost $13,000 a month in fees from a contractor for the childcare giant.

Mr Anthony told a court today the deal had not been disclosed in annual reports of the Brisbane-based stockmarket-listed business, which collapsed in late 2008.


See it's not just some money out of one's pockets, it's money out of a lot of pockets that could be circulating a bit wider around the economy. Instead it's being funneled up into a few pockets.

It hasn't created a new industry, or more jobs. It's just redistributed wealth upwards and inwards, which is only good if you are a child care operator.

And it also keeps a lot of women out of the workforce. It's pointless returning because nearly all the money you earn goes toward childcare operator's profits. They're essentially working to pay for childcare so you can work to pay for childcare.

Society is an ecosystem and what affects one affects all, is what i'm also saying.
evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
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18 Jul 2012 10:39pm
I've just realised I'm whining on about this like a bitch.

So I give you "The Intersection of Stupidity"



(May have already posted that in funny images)
rod_bunny
rod_bunny
WA
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18 Jul 2012 9:44pm
evlPanda said...
See it's not just some money out of one's pockets, it's money out of a lot of pockets that could be circulating a bit wider around the economy. Instead it's being funneled up into a few pockets.

It hasn't created a new industry, or more jobs. It's just redistributed wealth upwards and inwards, which is only good if you are a child care operator.


Dont send your kids to the major players? Find a good locally run, locally owned place. At least you see where the money goes...



But man am I sick (literally) of my loving boy bringing home some new strain of H1Nx with his finger painting every fuggin week...
kiteboy dave
kiteboy dave
QLD
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19 Jul 2012 1:59pm
Family daycare is the go rod - my mates are same as you - both parents have been sick for 3 months with revolving door cold/flu strains. Not to mention hand,foot & mouth disease.

Our fella only mixes with 2 others - enough for some exposure and learning to share, not enough to get every bug at once!

Evl my wife sent me this email this morn - all I can suggest is that you're doing it wrong?

And, finally, centrelink are paying 48.33% of childcare. Means we're paying about $3.20p/hr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ridiculous!!! And that's just the childcare benefit, there's also a rebate paid quarterly. Not sure how much that is.

So by my calcs, before quarterly rebate, we will be paying $75 p/w for 3 x 8hr days. Not sure what she'll earn in 3 days but it's far more than that - well worth while!
Simondo
Simondo
VIC
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19 Jul 2012 3:19pm
evlPanda said...

I've just realised I'm whining on about this like a bitch.


No worries, we all whine like bitches from time to time!
We all need to get sh!t off our chests from time to time.
GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
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19 Jul 2012 3:28pm
rod_bunny said...

sick


stamp said...

sick


Silver lining? Kids are going to have kickass immune systems eventually...
ZaZz
ZaZz
WA
89 posts
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19 Jul 2012 3:40pm
100$...

Where I'm from we have a $7/day daycare system.
You have to put your kid on the list for a place before you even think about having one...
Hamsta
Hamsta
505 posts
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19 Jul 2012 5:08pm
felixdcat said...

don't have kids if you can't afford them!


End of discussion right there really. It is not rocket science to work out the real cost of having a child, yet so many have 1, 2 or 3 children two then receive /expect government assistance. ****s me to tears at times. If you don't earn enough, use a reliable form of contraception don't have kids. Pretty simple really.
boofta
boofta
NSW
179 posts
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20 Jul 2012 12:00pm
My son has a son in childcare two days a week, virtually impossible
to get more days, government gives a bit of rebate.
The childcare place says their always full because people on welfare
looking for work have priority for childcare, paid fully by centrelink.
This is to help the dole bludgers find work. What happens actually
is that the dole bludgers spend their days looking for work at the
RSL next door to the childcare place. Of course if the weathers OK
they go to the beach to look for work. We trusty taxpayers
pay for their kids to be baby-sat for 12 hours each day while they
look for work. Why do we wonder about refugees wanting to get
onto this perpetual gravy train, we should all go on welfare!
felixdcat
felixdcat
WA
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20 Jul 2012 10:05am
Pitbull said...

felixdcat said...

don't have kids if you can't afford them!


How do the 'boat people' afford to have 8+ kids?

Simple...... we are the idiots paying for it! and also they do not work so have plenty of time on hand!

Pitbull
Pitbull
WA
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20 Jul 2012 10:10am
felixdcat said...

Pitbull said...

felixdcat said...

don't have kids if you can't afford them!


How do the 'boat people' afford to have 8+ kids?

Simple...... we are the idiots paying for it! and also they do not work so have plenty of time on hand!




I suppose the question I was puting forward is 'Why do we let this happen?'
Government should put a cap of 2 children per couple or you pay for the rest out of own pocket.
evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
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20 Jul 2012 12:19pm
Hamsta said...

felixdcat said...

don't have kids if you can't afford them!


End of discussion right there really. It is not rocket science to work out the real cost of having a child, yet so many have 1, 2 or 3 children two then receive /expect government assistance. ****s me to tears at times. If you don't earn enough, use a reliable form of contraception don't have kids. Pretty simple really.


I actually earn fn heaps (the last social taboo, disclosing how much you earn). It's not that I can't afford it, it's that it is expensive. It is more expensive then the most expensive university degree, for example. It is more expensive than the depreciation on a $150,000 car. Cut those figures in half if you earn less than $150,000 combined.

Are we saying only rich people should have children now? Really?
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