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Vaccine who has it who hasn't who won't?

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Created by Razzonater 3 months ago, 25 Jun 2021
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FormulaNova
WA, 12469 posts
29 Jul 2021 8:31PM
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theDoctor said..
FormulaNova said..
For those that don't like applying critical thinking and think that its just thinking of someone critically:



Even a conspiracy theorist could probably keep enough concentration span to watch this clip and it was in the same press conference, so either 'the fix is in' or the doctor made a mistake, a journalist asked for an explanation, and he corrected it. Either that or 'they' went back and changed the test results and vaccination stats for all the people in the ICU.... yeah, that's it!


the more you post, the more you come across as a paid troll,


i see your video and i raise you...

www.bitchute.com/video/9Ci2jK1yFoOd/


I wish I was paid. I do the trolling for free.

Oh dear, it seems the video to show the facts, has been raised by lots of time about "stuff"?

if you could even paraphrase a bit of it I might watch it, but in usual CT fashion there is just a URL?

theDoctor
NSW, 5556 posts
30 Jul 2021 4:45AM
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i guess as it always is with narrative junkies, you have to be spoon fed your information in the most comfortable way possible.

yes it's a url, no I'm not going to paraphrase it.
funny how all your evidence is something you've read, or something you heard, yet anything outside your comfortable made to consume narrative is crazy ct stuff.

airsail
QLD, 761 posts
30 Jul 2021 5:02AM
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psychojoe said..

What do you call the flu vaccine every year? A yearly experiment?

Yes!
Got my first ever flu vaccine this year,had to get it for permission to work because of new Covid rules.
Had the worst flu I've ever had.
Hmm.
I'm gonna go back to treating flu with a honey and lemon tea with a dash of thalidomide and pseudoephedrine


Must be worrying for you knowing your work will mandate the Covid vaccination for you when it becomes readily available in the next few months.


So the question is, will you get it thus helping the nation return to normal life or stand by principles and give up your job? It's going to be a question to be answered by many vaccination hesitant or the antivax brigade.

bobajob
QLD, 1487 posts
30 Jul 2021 7:21AM
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airsail said..
Back on track of who will or won't get the vaccination, Qantas has adopted an IATA app to prove you have been vaccinated or tested prior to boarding an international flight. Too bad for those who choose not to have either, I guess your staying put.

www.traveller.com.au/qantas-confirms-rollout-of-iata-digital-health-pass-for-international-flights-h1xig7



Now that's a bloody good idea. I would hate to be stuck on a plane next someone going on and on about covid, mask, vaccine, big pharma and government conspiracys for hours on end.

eppo
WA, 8363 posts
30 Jul 2021 6:35AM
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It's funny how the human Mind likes to dichotomise the binary choice of pro vaccination or anti. I suppose it's easier to take a tribal side and wave the physical Or metaphorical banner.
What about those like me that are not anti vaccination at all but are more afraid of the bigger picture. That is, if controlling powers can limit a subset of the populations rights through a vaccination mandate then what's next? For those that have read history in depth there are some very worrying implications well beyond covid and vaccinations.

Pugwash
WA, 7537 posts
30 Jul 2021 6:56AM
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bobajob said..

airsail said..
Back on track of who will or won't get the vaccination, Qantas has adopted an IATA app to prove you have been vaccinated or tested prior to boarding an international flight. Too bad for those who choose not to have either, I guess your staying put.

www.traveller.com.au/qantas-confirms-rollout-of-iata-digital-health-pass-for-international-flights-h1xig7




Now that's a bloody good idea. I would hate to be stuck on a plane next someone going on and on about covid, mask, vaccine, big pharma and government conspiracys for hours on end.


Whilst they point out the window at the horizon, saying 'see, flat!'

FormulaNova
WA, 12469 posts
30 Jul 2021 7:32AM
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theDoctor said..


i guess as it always is with narrative junkies, you have to be spoon fed your information in the most comfortable way possible.

yes it's a url, no I'm not going to paraphrase it.
funny how all your evidence is something you've read, or something you heard, yet anything outside your comfortable made to consume narrative is crazy ct stuff.


Hah! I generally ask someone to provide some info as I suspect most times people just forward stuff on and say 'see' without actually having viewed or read it. In this case, its probably true too. It almost seems to be a rule with some people.

Its not a problem though as yesterday I just put the headline into Google and came up with the following:

www.aap.com.au/former-pfizer-scientist-wrong-on-asymptomatic-covid-19-spread/

It has words though, so some may struggle. It looks at what was said and examines it. Sounds like most of its just not right but it has done the rounds on facebook and truther websites so a lot of people believe it without checking it....

This idea of consuming narrative is a great one. Anything you don't agree with can be 'narrative' and you must be a sucker for going along with it. You could make a case for the world being run my lizard people with that logic.

FormulaNova
WA, 12469 posts
30 Jul 2021 7:34AM
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Pugwash said..
bobajob said..

airsail said..
Back on track of who will or won't get the vaccination, Qantas has adopted an IATA app to prove you have been vaccinated or tested prior to boarding an international flight. Too bad for those who choose not to have either, I guess your staying put.

www.traveller.com.au/qantas-confirms-rollout-of-iata-digital-health-pass-for-international-flights-h1xig7




Now that's a bloody good idea. I would hate to be stuck on a plane next someone going on and on about covid, mask, vaccine, big pharma and government conspiracys for hours on end.


Whilst they point out the window at the horizon, saying 'see, flat!'


They will be too busy looking at the wings for the nozzles and wondering where they store all the chemtrail juice to look out the window,

bobajob
QLD, 1487 posts
30 Jul 2021 10:30AM
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FormulaNova said..

Pugwash said..

bobajob said..


airsail said..
Back on track of who will or won't get the vaccination, Qantas has adopted an IATA app to prove you have been vaccinated or tested prior to boarding an international flight. Too bad for those who choose not to have either, I guess your staying put.

www.traveller.com.au/qantas-confirms-rollout-of-iata-digital-health-pass-for-international-flights-h1xig7





Now that's a bloody good idea. I would hate to be stuck on a plane next someone going on and on about covid, mask, vaccine, big pharma and government conspiracys for hours on end.



Whilst they point out the window at the horizon, saying 'see, flat!'



They will be too busy looking at the wings for the nozzles and wondering where they store all the chemtrail juice to look out the window,


I think you've nailed it! The chemtrail juice is now in syringes.

psychojoe
WA, 1283 posts
30 Jul 2021 9:50AM
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airsail said..

psychojoe said..

What do you call the flu vaccine every year? A yearly experiment?

Yes!
Got my first ever flu vaccine this year,had to get it for permission to work because of new Covid rules.
Had the worst flu I've ever had.
Hmm.
I'm gonna go back to treating flu with a honey and lemon tea with a dash of thalidomide and pseudoephedrine



Must be worrying for you knowing your work will mandate the Covid vaccination for you when it becomes readily available in the next few months.


So the question is, will you get it thus helping the nation return to normal life or stand by principles and give up your job? It's going to be a question to be answered by many vaccination hesitant or the antivax brigade.


I'm definitely not getting the clot shot. I wasn't sure about the Pfizer so I tested it on the wife first. After the reaction she had, and she's still not 100%, no thanks. I'm no longer willing to work for anyone that denies bodily autonomy. I'd rather take the 1/50,000 risk of dying from Covid.

FormulaNova
WA, 12469 posts
30 Jul 2021 12:29PM
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I wonder where this will stop with no compulsory vaccines but employers requiring it to ensure a duty of care to their other employees? Then there's the health care sector where they have a duty of care to their patients as well. Would they insist that the spouses are also vaccinated?

I was watching something this morning where some doctor pointed out that even if you choose not to be vaccinated, the virus will circulate in society and you will get it at some time. Which makes sense. If you can have it when vaccinated, but not really be affected by it yourself, then you will keep passing it on and all the unvaccinated will be exposed.

I guess over time people will see whether the vaccines are dangerous or safer than they thought and may end up getting vaccinated.

Is it pretty normal that a vaccine creates an immune response that is similar to what the body would see if exposed to the target virus?

eppo
WA, 8363 posts
30 Jul 2021 1:13PM
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Yeh good points above. I'm just wary of the lack of corresponding and verifiable data on not only its effects but how it was made. Not only that, the data on covid itself. We are still Learning so much and even the so called experts don't have full correlation with their points of view. And a lot of these experts work within organisations that are open to capture from those looking to profit handsomely. Then again what else is there.

I know eventually I will Do my civic duty and get vaccinated but it will irk me that that there is a sinister and profit based motivation behind a lot of this. More importantly that we have no choice in the matter. As always I suppose. What's changed.

and I suppose profit based motivation and societal benefit are not always mutually exclusive. Henry Ford built cars for profit after all.

Mr Milk
NSW, 2456 posts
30 Jul 2021 3:46PM
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AstraZeneca are selling their vaccine at cost of production until the pandemic is over. Where's the profit motive?
And even if the companies made $100 per person vaccinated wouldn't that be money well spent? I know I'd rather see the government spending $750M to vaccinate the 7.5M people in NSW than to knock down and rebuild a 20 year old football stadium in Moore Park

psychojoe
WA, 1283 posts
30 Jul 2021 1:48PM
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Then there's the health care sector where they have a duty of care to their patients as well. Would they insist that the spouses are also vaccinated?

This bit is getting interesting. Because not only is it me and my plumber and whole bunch of tradies that have decided to give up doing work for care facilities, one of the "decision makers" has come to realise that the number of vaccine hesitant in the sector would leave them so very short staffed (as if they weren't already) that the outcome would be far worse than a Covid sweep

eppo
WA, 8363 posts
30 Jul 2021 2:02PM
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Mr Milk said..
AstraZeneca are selling their vaccine at cost of production until the pandemic is over. Where's the profit motive?
And even if the companies made $100 per person vaccinated wouldn't that be money well spent? I know I'd rather see the government spending $750M to vaccinate the 7.5M people in NSW than to knock down and rebuild a 20 year old football stadium in Moore Park





Astra is the pepsi of the vaccine world. Its not just the vaccine itself it is the clever foxes in their holes responding and influencing government policy and directives. Think bigger man, there is a far greater and more complex picture unfolding

but a good point about government money allocation. In the end it will have to come down to economics. The corporatised global chain economy will need international and domestic movement in goods and services to resume before too long. Hence one could surmise that one might as well get vaccinated as the choice to not to will taken from most.

psychojoe
WA, 1283 posts
30 Jul 2021 2:27PM
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Which was the least deadly strain?
I might go drink a Lambda smoothie, could be safer and more effective than the jab if this excerpt from a current abstract is anything to go by---
Here, we examine memory B cell evolution 5 months after vaccination with either Moderna (mRNA-1273) or Pfizer-BioNTech (BNT162b2) mRNA vaccines in a cohort of SARS-CoV-2 naive individuals. Between prime and boost, memory B cells produce antibodies that evolve increased neutralizing activity, but there is no further increase in potency or breadth thereafter. Instead, memory B cells that emerge 5 months after vaccination of naive individuals express antibodies that are equivalent to those that dominate the initial response. We conclude that memory antibodies selected over time by natural infection have greater potency and breadth than antibodies elicited by vaccination.

kiterboy
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30 Jul 2021 4:23PM
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airsail said.. thus helping the nation return to normal life...


This right here.
If you think that things will go back to normal, well son, you and everyone who believes that are seriously, seriously deluded.

kato
VIC, 2990 posts
30 Jul 2021 7:55PM
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^^^^ Yep . Old world is gone, COVID now rules and isn't going away. Be just like the flu..kills some but not others. The Jab or COVID that's the choice. Btw how great is Victoria

Gboots
NSW, 1235 posts
30 Jul 2021 8:06PM
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airsail
QLD, 761 posts
30 Jul 2021 9:10PM
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All good in normal times, but when a public health emergency is declared as it has been here in Qld and I'm sure in other state, the Chief Health Officers directions over ride this act. Good luck

www.health.qld.gov.au/system-governance/legislation/cho-public-health-directions-under-expanded-public-health-act-powers

Mr Milk
NSW, 2456 posts
30 Jul 2021 10:58PM
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How would a 1988 law anticipate smart phone based sign in apps? Or Covid?

Kamikuza
QLD, 6175 posts
30 Jul 2021 11:08PM
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lotofwind said..
0.00002% chance of a clot



"While they would normally expect to see 62 cases of VTE, the 222,710-strong cohort of COVID-19 positive patients in the study included 499 cases, a roughly eight-fold increase over normal levels."

499 in 222,710, that's 0.002%, or 1 in 500. (Yes I rounded up in your favor).

www.euronews.com/next/2021/07/29/astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-blood-clot-risk-similar-to-pfizer-spanish-study-finds

Kamikuza
QLD, 6175 posts
30 Jul 2021 11:11PM
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FormulaNova said..
No. I still don't get it. From what I have read on here, propaganda = "I don't want to understand the science, but someone is out to get me. I think. I have been told. I have been told to think. But not by the government, by other free-thinkers."


No that's not it, but if you had something like "I don't understand the science or the math, but I'm going to repeat the party line anyway because THOSE people are wrong I just know because the government told me so" you'd be a bit closer.

Kamikuza
QLD, 6175 posts
30 Jul 2021 11:19PM
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eppo said..
It's funny how the human Mind likes to dichotomise the binary choice of pro vaccination or anti. I suppose it's easier to take a tribal side and wave the physical Or metaphorical banner.
What about those like me that are not anti vaccination at all but are more afraid of the bigger picture. That is, if controlling powers can limit a subset of the populations rights through a vaccination mandate then what's next? For those that have read history in depth there are some very worrying implications well beyond covid and vaccinations.


The old joke that has the punchline, "Yes, but are you a Protestant atheist or a Catholic atheist?", springs to mind...

Mr Milk
NSW, 2456 posts
30 Jul 2021 11:27PM
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Kamikuza said..

eppo said..
It's funny how the human Mind likes to dichotomise the binary choice of pro vaccination or anti. I suppose it's easier to take a tribal side and wave the physical Or metaphorical banner.
What about those like me that are not anti vaccination at all but are more afraid of the bigger picture. That is, if controlling powers can limit a subset of the populations rights through a vaccination mandate then what's next? For those that have read history in depth there are some very worrying implications well beyond covid and vaccinations.



The old joke that has the punchline, "Yes, but are you a Protestant atheist or a Catholic atheist?", springs to mind...


Is that an old joke? I think the appropriate line goes more like "The law is my shepherd I shall not want"

FormulaNova
WA, 12469 posts
30 Jul 2021 10:19PM
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FormulaNova said..
No. I still don't get it. From what I have read on here, propaganda = "I don't want to understand the science, but someone is out to get me. I think. I have been told. I have been told to think. But not by the government, by other free-thinkers."


No that's not it, but if you had something like "I don't understand the science or the math, but I'm going to repeat the party line anyway because THOSE people are wrong I just know because the government told me so" you'd be a bit closer.


Yeah right, make up any definition you want. I will stick to the dictionary for the moment, and until anyone can show that these decisions are politically motivated then the claim that it is propaganda is just baseless. A cop-out.

psychojoe
WA, 1283 posts
31 Jul 2021 6:15AM
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FormulaNova said.


Yeah right, make up any definition you want. I will stick to the dictionary for the moment, and until anyone can show that these decisions are politically motivated then the claim that it is propaganda is just baseless. A cop-out.


I guess you need to start from a position of understanding that lockdowns do more harm than good. But that's difficult. No-one is broadcasting the devastation brought.....hang on, this isn't heavy weather, I deleted the rest of my essay

eppo
WA, 8363 posts
31 Jul 2021 7:13AM
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FormulaNova
WA, 12469 posts
31 Jul 2021 8:56AM
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psychojoe said..
FormulaNova said.


Yeah right, make up any definition you want. I will stick to the dictionary for the moment, and until anyone can show that these decisions are politically motivated then the claim that it is propaganda is just baseless. A cop-out.


I guess you need to start from a position of understanding that lockdowns do more harm than good. But that's difficult. No-one is broadcasting the devastation brought.....hang on, this isn't heavy weather, I deleted the rest of my essay


That's something we will never know. We can stand around and say the current lockdowns are much worse than 'normal', but do we have an option of normal? We don't know.

The closest I can see to that is to watch the UK and see how their opening up performs. It will tell us a lot. They have much higher rates of vaccination, but maybe it will show us if we are able to try and resume 'normal' in the future.

Its very easy, especially here in WA, to assume that there is no pandemic. Its pretty good here at the moment, but would that still be the case if we just forgot the precautions and didn't look to how we handle it in the future?

P.S. it's good to see others deleting some of their posts... I have sometimes typed something out and though its not the best way to have a decent conversation and deleted it.

Mr Milk
NSW, 2456 posts
31 Jul 2021 11:51AM
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I just took a look at that section of the Privacy Act. It looks like amendments must have been put in to address privacy concerns about the CovidSafe app. It doesn't say anything about the states' various contact tracing apps.
And for all most of us know there could be further amendments made since that one that override it.



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