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lauriew
lauriew
WA
53 posts
WA, 53 posts
15 Feb 2007 7:24pm
Check this out, a west aussie battler trying to sell an "original" piece of windsurfing history, maybe Hoyle and Schweitzer didn't deserve those patents.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Vintage-English-Brass-Windsurfer-rare_W0QQitemZ110092572791QQihZ001QQcategoryZ3630QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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rustbucket
rustbucket
NSW
290 posts
NSW, 290 posts
15 Feb 2007 11:24pm
hi laurie
good one
I couldnt help but send him a polite letter explaining his little boo boo.
rustbucket
rustbucket
NSW
290 posts
NSW, 290 posts
16 Feb 2007 1:00am
sorry laurie
I spoiled the fun...he has changed the text slightly but not totally.

I told him
"As a windsurfer i must pass on the Info that windsurfing like depicted on your fine piece was not invented till around 1969.
hope this helps as you wouldnt want to accidently mislead anyone.
cheers"

apparently he bought it in 1974 and the seller told him it was 1930,s ,I wouldnt dought that it was brand new and the guy was having a lend of him...but it is a nice piece...

you probably have givem him a wider audience now...

And before anyone says there were boards before this...look at the piece and see the boom and design this was Hoyle and Schweitzer solution to the problem of a usable rig.
I gave him the date of when thier design was getting recognised.

any other boards before that time did not use the/a wishbone in such a way
and I dont believe any boards before around 1948 that predate the Darby's design [1948] in anyform definately not 1930's hee hee.

believe it or not Australia had a guy who built about 20 corrugated boards/canoes with a mast type thingy/...but these former ideas all came to our notice only when the "Windsurfer" brand started inforcing thier patents and the other big name companies [bic,mistral etc] tried and often did beat them by finding these other "lost in history' not quite usable/viable designs..anything to get out of the lawsuit.So true windsurfing design late 60's.
so endeth the history lesson.

sorry trying to make up for spoiling the fun.
gee now I'm paying for it by explaining myself..phewww.
greenleader
greenleader
QLD
5283 posts
QLD, 5283 posts
16 Feb 2007 12:48am
yes, now in 1979 when i took up windsurfing "nothing 'o' nothing" resembled that high performance pointy nosed 3/4 sailed wide angled boomed brass contraption! not in our wildest dreams.... that was when ken and robby and matt were experimenting with footstraps on standard windsurfers and trying to jump waves!
knot board
knot board
QLD
1241 posts
QLD, 1241 posts
16 Feb 2007 10:59am
Ha, ha ha, I actually have the EXACT same brass figurine at home. It is identical in every way to the one pictured. Hmmm, maybe they originated from the same mould in a chinese wharehouse sometime in the late 20th century.

How lucky am I to have found to only other example of this "very rare" item of windsurfing memorabilia.

How many more are out there ?????
MikeyS
MikeyS
VIC
1509 posts
VIC, 1509 posts
16 Feb 2007 12:54pm
In patent speak, that object would be referred to as "prior art". Only it's not very prior, and as for it being art, well ....

If the original seller could have proven that it really was from the 1930's (yeah, sure) that piece would have been worth at least 10's of thousands of dollars as evidence in the patent litigation.
rustbucket
rustbucket
NSW
290 posts
NSW, 290 posts
23 Feb 2007 11:17am
quote:
Originally posted by MikeyS

In patent speak, that object would be referred to as "prior art". Only it's not very prior, and as for it being art, well ....

If the original seller could have proven that it really was from the 1930's (yeah, sure) that piece would have been worth at least 10's of thousands of dollars as evidence in the patent litigation.



hee hee
Strongbow
Strongbow
WA
273 posts
WA, 273 posts
23 Feb 2007 9:41am
Back to the corrogated iron boards Im pretty sure that was done by Windrush in Perth. Worked for them about 22 years ago and saw some corro creations in storage and was told that these were done to challenge the patent. Anyone hav more info about this.
Brett Morris
Brett Morris
NSW
1205 posts
NSW, 1205 posts
23 Feb 2007 11:43am
I bought the gold winduurfing figure....I really don't know why, but it seemed like a good idea at the time. Thinking about giving it to my wife for her birthday. Should be well recieved huh....
MikeyS
MikeyS
VIC
1509 posts
VIC, 1509 posts
23 Feb 2007 2:46pm
Actually, the way the little dude has got his back hand close to the clew, maybe he's setting up for a forward!
rustbucket
rustbucket
NSW
290 posts
NSW, 290 posts
18 Mar 2007 3:03am
quote:
Originally posted by Strongbow

Back to the corrogated iron boards Im pretty sure that was done by Windrush in Perth. Worked for them about 22 years ago and saw some corro creations in storage and was told that these were done to challenge the patent. Anyone hav more info about this.




check this out...about half way down page..the corrugated canoes I mentioned above


quote from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsurfing

"For their part, Australian courts, in a 1983 patent case reported in "Intellectual Property Reports" 3 IPR 449, attributed the first legally accepted use to an Australian boy, Richard Eastaugh. Between the ages of ten and thirteen, from 1946 to 1949, aided by his younger brothers, he built around 20 galavanised iron canoes and hill trolleys which he equipped with sails with spilt bamboo booms. He sailed these near his home on the Swan River in Perth. There is no evidence that any of the later "inventors" ever sighted the Eastaugh craft of a decade earlier on the other side of the world.

It is acknowledged that the Eastaugh, Chilvers, and Darby inventions all pre-dated the Drake and Schweitzer invention. However, the popularization of windsurfing would not have taken place without the efforts of Schweitzer. The prior inventions simply lay forgotten until they re-emerged in legal defenses against litigation by Schweitzer."
this is an acknowledged quote from wikipedia.org

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsurfing
Gestalt
Gestalt
QLD
14968 posts
QLD, 14968 posts
18 Mar 2007 2:49am
very cool info rustbucket...

and the first person to import windsurfers into australia was peter nitschke of Caloundra Wind & Surf. still going strong in the industry. also building his own boards too.
AusMoz
AusMoz
QLD
1514 posts
QLD, 1514 posts
18 Mar 2007 8:35am
Good info Gestalt ! peter was the first !!!

have to throw away my little shrines of budda and ganesh and replace them with a shrine or little temple dedicated to peter !
He is a man of worship now !!!
thanks

gcmoz
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