high-rise coastal buildings = decreased seabreeze?

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crissie
crissie
WA
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WA, 2 posts
19 Mar 2004 11:39am
I read an article in The West yesterday about the proposed high-rise developments along the Perth coast and wondered if this might have a negative impact on the seabreeze? Any ideas?
steveh
steveh
WA
113 posts
WA, 113 posts
19 Mar 2004 4:35pm
In general no - WA is a big wind machine! Might have localised effects (eg if they build on Woodies pt?) I cant see it being a big problem regards the seabreeze, as the coast is pretty straight and the wind cross on mostly.
Big drawback is that the teabaggers will have bigger building to smack into when they lose it. Imagine all those building draped in expensive multicolour kites.

steve
mike
mike
WA
75 posts
WA, 75 posts
19 Mar 2004 4:52pm
I also don't think it will have an effect on the breeze. It will however, have a huge effect on the appearance of the coast line. Do we really want to end up looking like the Gold coast? High rise buildings everywhere. It's bad enough with the one we have already. Looks like, once again, the government is going ahead with something that the people don't agree with.
hoop
hoop
1979 posts
1979 posts
20 Mar 2004 9:36am
where are the high rises going ? is it the coogee thing?

jim
leski
leski
NSW
661 posts
NSW, 661 posts
20 Mar 2004 12:46pm
nooooo wouldn't change the seabreeze effect but....
well I don't have any real scientific explanation, but it seems to me that if you build big buildings just on the beach that wouldn't be so good for the local wind...see the cliffs near South Cott, Mettams pool..etc...the wind always kind of bounce of the cliff or is kind or turbulent down on the beach.
So big building will do the same stuff wouldn't they
yamseng
yamseng
WA
18 posts
WA, 18 posts
22 Mar 2004 10:29pm
Crissie, high rise buildings will have a very localised effect. You only have to come to Koombana Bay, Bunbury and sail off the KBSC to feel the effect of a distinct wind shadow from that eyesore of a wheat silo esp when a SW is blowing. It's rather similar to sailing in an Easterly - on and off. Not much fun as I had my fair share of dunking here but I think it helped me become more aware of my surroundings.
Rick
Rick
WA
30 posts
WA, 30 posts
3 Apr 2004 5:36pm
Long time sailin-locals here on the goldcoast say that 10 years ago we used to have much more consistant wind, and more often. Many here believe it is due to the buildings on coast.

I'm hoping we are just stuck in a short term ****ty cycle which will eventually return to what was considered to be it's "normal" pattern.


ragards

rick
steve
steve
WA
108 posts
WA, 108 posts
4 Apr 2004 2:43pm
From my minuscule understanding of aerodynamics coming with my engineering background, the effect of coastal buildings isn't going far, they're just to small. Obviously it could impact your launch if your right in front of it.

I remember windsurfing on Lago di Garda, Italy, which is a famous spot for southern german windsurfers to escape to, located only 4h (plus jams) to cross the alps from munich. The wind's channeled with mountains east and west and comes or goes to the the mountains in the north depending on the thermals (usually you have offshore in the morning and onshore afternoons ... or the other way ). Note: even in summer it's bloody cold (meltwater).

Now I was there three times, every time a total flop. - not enough wind. Especially when you compare to the reliable seabreeze here it is frustrating . And in the middle there's a bit of a hill, maybe 150m high and 400m wide, and when you get into the shadow there it just drops down completely. Offshore you feel it at least a km out, onshore it's rather local to maybe a few hundred meters. (Something to do with the vortex trail forming in the shadow, just try to visualize the flow around and behind your car)

So the message is: With the seabreeze as an onshore wind, it can't have much effect. Anyone want to secure some $100K-funding for this and I'll do the computer simulations.

Cheers,
S.
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