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i better be a naturalized oz i didn't know what the blokes on the other thread were talking of before eastyso that's what they meant..so what if one was in taz it's still part of oz..i do have 2 sets of uncles and aunties who happen to be cousins in the first degree and didn't even attempt to let nature do it's thing but rather adopted at least it's a 'bit accepted'..i understand the defective part but father and daughter...ouch that's deep