power companies steal waves from surfers

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grumplestiltskin
grumplestiltskin
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4 Apr 2007 3:44pm
Saw this in the paper, what do you think ... fact or fiction?

www.theregister.co.uk/2007/04/02/waves_surfers/

or

http://timesonline.typepad.com/surf_nation/2007/01/the_wave_hub_re.html
Greenroom
Greenroom
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4 Apr 2007 10:13pm
Yeah I read that today too in the paper. The overall wave height loss would be 11% at the most? Do you think this would be noticeable?
I personally think that it sounds like a great idea but would it really have a decrease in wave size? And would it be significant?
gazza
gazza
WA
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4 Apr 2007 10:39pm
its in the uk so 11% of 1ft is 1.2inchs you would be spewing
JayBee
JayBee
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5 Apr 2007 10:41am
You would be surprised how many people do not appreciate that when a wave energy device works it takes energy form the waves. This reduction in energy is primarly noticed in a reduction in wave height. It can also have a small but measurable impact on wave period.
Offshore devices like "Salters Duck", "The Mighty Whale" all use mechanical hydraulics as the energy transfer mechanism, and are VERY efficient (approx 90% conversion of wave to energy). The downside is that they have to be anchored offshore (not good in a storm) and maintenence is more difficult. Anchoring them way offshore is not an option at present because of the huge transmission losses that would be experienced.
Shore based devices like the Oscillating Water Column operate at much lower efficiency (primarly because the wave energy at the shoreline is only a fraction of that available offshore), but are cheaper to operate. Another downside is that they absorb the wave so there is almost no reflected wave and this can cause issues with sediment transport (ie adjacent beaches might disappear).
In the early 90's in Scotland a company called ART (not related to the windsurfing manufacturer) built an OWC with a wind turbine on top. Unfortunately it sank while being towed to its anchor site. While being funny now it was a travesty to those of us who were working in the wave energy field at the time, and caused large reductions in research funding levels. There is a working OWC in Pt Kembla at the moment (www.energetech.com.au).

A single device will have minimal impact, a line of wave devices kilometers long will make conditions fantastic for speedsailors.

JB
grumplestiltskin
grumplestiltskin
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5 Apr 2007 9:31am
This is probably a bit simplistic, but I would have thought that you could set up a device that floats on top of the water and uses the wave energy to operate something like the automatic winders in kinetic watches.
The wound spring could then operate a generator etc. etc.

This way you would only have to place anchors down rather than massive structures on the seabed, also if they work like the watch you would only need minimal wave action to operate the device.

The more technically minded here can probably tell me why that wouldn't work.
The Grinch
The Grinch
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5 Apr 2007 9:34am

You don't get much power out of a watch?
JayBee
JayBee
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5 Apr 2007 11:51am
Grumples,

Salters Duck is essentially that. It generates energy from the relative movement between the hub (which is static) and the cam (which rotates).
The problem with the kinetic watch model is that it involves the use of batteries (the motion of your watch causes a suspended mass to rotate, which in turn charges a microbattery). Batteries are the best of a really bad bunch of devices that can store electricity. They still are really expensive, highly polluting (heavy metals) and have short lifespans. Specificaly with regard to wave devices, batteries dont like the water :-)

JB
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