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Flysurfer Peak4

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Created by drsurf 31 days ago, 18 Apr 2019
drsurf
NSW, 32 posts
18 Apr 2019 2:17AM
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I've had the 3m Peak4 single skin foilkite for a couple of weeks waiting for enough wind to try it kitefoiling. Just flying it on the beach showed how different it was to other kites, both foilkites and LEI, but flying it on the beach doesn't make it a useful addition to anyones quiver. Although it's instant power off makes it a great kite for teaching.

Yesterday had a bit more wind, but still under 10 knots so I foiled with the 10m Flysurfer Soul which was well powered up with the Moses 633. After a while the wind picked up a little, just averaging 10 knots with gusts to 11 so I thought I'd try the 3m peak4 just to see if I could even get close to getting going on my foilboard. First attempt I flogged the kite all over the sky, just about got out of the water onto the board and ran aground. With such light wind the wind window is pretty small so with a cross onshore wind it's hard to get offshore.

Trudged back upwind as the wind seemed a knot stronger in that direction and went in again flogging the kite all over the sky. It seemed I was just on the edge of getting on the board so I kept working the kite, finessing the trim between stalling and maximum power. Finally I got up on the board and with a few more sines of the kite was up on the foil Remember this is just a 3m single skin kite in 10-11knots of wind! Also had witnesses. Foiled out 200m without having to sine the kite too much and turned to toeside where working the kite and maintaining the upwind angle of the board was harder. Touched down slightly a couple of times but was able to keep foiling. The wind chop waves helped a lot on the way in with virtually no pull from the kite when I caught a small wave. This was the purpose of the kite to me, to be able to virtually turn the kite off when on a wave, have it drift, but not have it drop from the sky.

So the essential stats were 10-11knots of wind, using a Moses 633 surf foil on a 91cm mast mounted to Axis FreeMV 125cm board with my weight being 65kg. With a few more knots of wind the 3m Peak4 will be a usable combo. It's amazing how little pull you need on a good surf foil. And you can surf the foil without the kite pulling, because the Peak4's lose power as soon as you sheet out but drift so incredibly well, you don't have to worry about them falling from the sky. This is a good thing as they are not designed as a water relaunchable kite, though with experience you can relaunch them if you maintain line tension.

The wind forecast looks good for at least one day this weekend so fingers crossed it gets over 12knots.

Stretching the season with foil goodness, have fun, Dave

dafish
NSW, 1343 posts
18 Apr 2019 7:22AM
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get some sleep dude, you are up far too early to be writing reviews ;) Hopefully I will catch you on Sunday for my last foil before heading off overseas for four months.

DukeSilver
WA, 253 posts
18 Apr 2019 6:09AM
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Good to hear. A lot of the Euro foilers on Kiteforum are raving about this snow/land kite in the 3m / 4m / 5m sizes. Like you, they're amazed at how small a kite they can use in 10kts with a surf foil. Horst Sergio was going on a 5m Peak 4 in 10kts on his stabless setup and looked to have ample power. He didn't recommend the larger sizes though, due to canopy flutter / distortion. I think these will become popular with the freeride crew.

Gorgo
VIC, 4145 posts
18 Apr 2019 5:29PM
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Gin Kites have released the Marabou, a relaunchable single skin kite.

www.ginkites.com/shop/marabou/

I know nothing about it. Obviously the leading edge is a sealed ram air tube that makes it relaunchable.

Gin Kites has nothing to do with Gin Paragliders. They sold the kite brand some years ago.

Olivier Nef is the designer and is chief designer with Niviuk paragliders. That's a pretty good pedigree to have and certainly right up there with Ozone and Gin.

djdojo
VIC, 1511 posts
18 Apr 2019 8:48PM
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interesting. for now i'm super happy with my clouds but i'll also be watching this space.

in case any of the flysurfer or gin people read this - the smallest peak is 3m and smallest marabou is 4m - given that these things have pretty high power per square metre they'll need to make some smaller offerings to cover the full range for those of us who enjoy foiling in 30 knots.

Kamikuza
QLD, 3850 posts
20 Apr 2019 4:07PM
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djdojo said..
interesting. for now i'm super happy with my clouds but i'll also be watching this space.

in case any of the flysurfer or gin people read this - the smallest peak is 3m and smallest marabou is 4m - given that these things have pretty high power per square metre they'll need to make some smaller offerings to cover the full range for those of us who enjoy foiling in 30 knots.


Local in NZ took a 3m out in 25-30 knots with J-shapes Cruiser and pocket board. He eventually got out through the monster surf then says he had an epic session. Don't remember him saying it was too big or he felt overpowered...

alverstone
WA, 488 posts
21 Apr 2019 8:29PM
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Gorgo said..
Gin Kites have released the Marabou, a relaunchable single skin kite.

www.ginkites.com/shop/marabou/

I know nothing about it. Obviously the leading edge is a sealed ram air tube that makes it relaunchable.

Gin Kites has nothing to do with Gin Paragliders. They sold the kite brand some years ago.

Olivier Nef is the designer and is chief designer with Niviuk paragliders. That's a pretty good pedigree to have and certainly right up there with Ozone and Gin.



Saw someone at Pelican Pt testing a singlr skin Gin kite last year.

drsurf
NSW, 32 posts
22 Apr 2019 2:12AM
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Warning! Problem with 3m Peak4!
Was out yesterday and had enough wind, about 15 knots, to give the 3m Peak4 a good test. Didn't take much flying to get up on the Moses 633 surf foil and upwind was close to my 5m Naish Boxer. The feel of the kite takes a little getting used to, as going from full power to depower is a much shorter stroke than on most kites. However after a few runs it became comfortable. When there was a lull I could sine the kite with one hand kiting toeside quite easily and when I caught a swell I could depower the kite and just ride the wave without feeling the kite interfering with waveriding or dropping out of the sky. But being Easter and good wind, it was hard to line up waves downwind without crossing the track of the many other kitesurfers mowing the lawn.

Herein lies the warning with a small 3m kite. While cruising along, another kiter sailed right into my kite with his lines wrapping the kite around them. The Peak4 collapsed being single skin, lost power and then slid down and off the lines still leaving my lines across his lines. The lines slid down and got caught in the harness hook of the other kiter who eventually managed to get free of them. I then wrapped up the lines and kite, as the kite was well beyond relaunch now, and swam the lot slowly back to shore where I laid it out, untwisted the lines and went back out. When I spoke to the other kiter, who is a friend and owes me a coffee now, he said the kite was so small it was hard to see

Now it is a small kite and there were a lot of people out, but I'd never had my kite hit another kiters gear before. And when I thought about my experience over the day, I did remember a lot of kiters coming particularly close to me, more than would normally be the case, so I think there is a grain of truth in what the other kiter said. Most other kiters were on twintips with kites from 12m to 17m, so my 3m Peak 4 was tiny by comparison.

Anyway there's nothing wrong with the kite at all and it was great on the foil and added another dimension to surf foiling which I'm keen to do again, wind willing. May have to get a bigger size Peak4 for lighter wind now the seabreezes are finishing ... Maybe I can justify that to the other half of the finances by saying it's a relatively inexpensive kite
I've sold a few of the Peak4's, but so far not to anyone who has used them surf foiling to my knowledge. They're original design brief was for snow and land and it was kitejunkie from Germany who originally piqued my interest by successfully taking a 3m Peak4 on the water. Definitely different, definitely more fun per sq metre. Apart from being collected by the other kiter, the kite never hit the water to test for relaunching and it was easy to keep in the air, so relaunchability is not such a big issue. However like any kitegear don't go further out than you are prepared to swim.

Looking forward to more fun, Dave

dafish
NSW, 1343 posts
22 Apr 2019 7:52AM
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Hahahaha, I wondered what happened to you. Someone said you went for a long swim, who was the character in question? It was pretty crowded yesterday but I still find it hard to believe that they could not see your kite. They are clearly not giving enough space or they were just lost in their own world.

Plummet
4425 posts
23 Apr 2019 2:27AM
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Singles skins make a really cool buggy engine but to be honest, I am wondering why the hell anyone would give up water relaunchability for a small traction kite. We figured out 18-20 years ago that water relaunching kites was a great safety feature, Why now throw that away?

A small lei is as good if not better in the surf and on the foil. It is more recoverable in a total slack line condition, typically has more depower, dirfts really well, has smoother power output and can water relaunch.

To me, you are just making it more dangerous for yourself and others for no actual significant performance gain,

drsurf
NSW, 32 posts
24 Apr 2019 1:37AM
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Plummet said..
Singles skins make a really cool buggy engine but to be honest, I am wondering why the hell anyone would give up water relaunchability for a small traction kite. We figured out 18-20 years ago that water relaunching kites was a great safety feature, Why now throw that away?

A small lei is as good if not better in the surf and on the foil. It is more recoverable in a total slack line condition, typically has more depower, dirfts really well, has smoother power output and can water relaunch.

To me, you are just making it more dangerous for yourself and others for no actual significant performance gain,


Hi Plummet.
You have to try one to understand. The Peak4 is way more recoverable because it's almost impossible to get a slack line condition in the first place. And that's because it drifts, waaaaay more than LEI's or foils. My 3m Peak4 weighs less than 600g so it just wants to hang in the air. Power output is smooth when you get used to the short throw between full power and almost complete depower. The small sizes are really responsive for turning and looping as well, even when depowered.

Bear in mind the Peak4 suits a specific type of kiting, namely foiling on a large surf foil and waves either near shore or downwind style. It's not an inexpensive kite substitute for an LEI and TT combination nor for ripping upwind and high speed on a Freeride or Race foil. I have a 5m single strut LEI kite as well so I can compare.
It is what it is, and it's really, really good at that. For someone who spends time foiling around waves Plummet, you could find it really works for you.

So compared to other kites there is a performance gain and no more danger than using any kite in waves. If you drop it, there's a fair chance of relaunching if the lines are tight. But if it's rolled in the surf, like any kite, your chances of relaunch may be low. As you've read in my previous post I've had the kite completely down after a hit from another kiter and had to roll it and lines up and swim to shore. It's a pain but it's not hard or dangerous as it rolls up easily into a small package. As has been said, don't kite where you can't swim in when equipment fails, commonsense applies.

Fingers crossed for plenty of wind today Dave

Plummet
4425 posts
25 Apr 2019 2:14AM
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I've flown a variety of single skins, Not the latest peak 4 however. But that said, I do not want to die and will have every safety feature I can. So Lei wins for me as the water relaunching function, and or floating on top of, is something I don't want to give away even if there is a little better drift.


Note: At my local on the foil I spend a lot of time further out to sea riding wind swells as there are boulders/rocks inshore. Its just not worth the risk flying a non water relaunching kite.



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