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merman
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31 Jul 2007 11:15pm
Whats going on with Global warning?????.

if you take the time to read it, i,m sure it,ll open up some interesting conversation.

www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/GlobWarmTest/start.html

bullsheit or kinda factual????

enjoy

Merman
manicskier
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1 Aug 2007 1:37am
Couldn't be bothered to compose a decent response to this, but....

I'm not buying into that, there is plenty of data to suggest that global warming is real and is caused but CO2 levels many times that at any point during our past, ice age or not.

And if China are standing up and doing something (and they are) thats a pretty good indication that global warming is real.

At least the end of the world will be windier
dustin
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1 Aug 2007 8:02am
Only 2 things wrong with it

1. It was last updated in 1998,, thats nearly 10 years ago
2. Its from West Virginia. Unless information comes from California or New York dont believe it cos every other state in America is stupid, ignorant and pro-bush (satement extremely stereotyped).
GreenPat
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2 Aug 2007 12:54am
quote:
Originally posted by manicskier


At least the end of the world will be windier



Brilliant! My new motto. Now I just need some smaller kites...
echostorm
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2 Aug 2007 9:45am
quote:
Originally posted by GreenPat

quote:
Originally posted by manicskier


At least the end of the world will be windier



Brilliant! My new motto. Now I just need some smaller kites...



Dont you understand that Global warming would ruin the gulf stream and stop the oceans natural filtration system. This would then turn it into a chemical bath that is toxic to humans and all the oceans species.
hosko
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2 Aug 2007 9:46am
can anyone say Y2K?
that is all....
ADS
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2 Aug 2007 9:55am
Bullsheit! Too many holes in the arguement and frail science.
Just my opinion (& many others), I'm not really interested some fanatical arguement over GW, as there are too many overhyped devotees on both sides.
Believe what you want.
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sir ROWDY
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2 Aug 2007 1:31pm
y2k, JFK, 911, Oil running out etc..... I wouldn't trust a word they say, they lie then cover it up with more lies, its always about drugs,money and oil.
echostorm
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2 Aug 2007 9:57pm
quote:
Originally posted by sir ROWDY

y2k, JFK, 911, Oil running out etc..... I wouldn't trust a word they say, they lie then cover it up with more lies, its always about drugs,money and oil.



Who exactly is "they" anyway? Scientists? Oil Companies? Media Presenters? Politicians? Your family? Your mates?

Like you, I was a skeptic until I saw this doco on the ABC www.abc.net.au/science/crude/ . Its in 3 parts and if u have broadband u can watch it. It really is a VERY educational and awesome doco that, although talks about global warming concentrates on the atomic side of it, carbon, and how oil was formed to where we are with it now. It will give you a really good understanding of the issue. Basically global warming is the earths natural cycle just speed up from 50,000 years to 100 years. You will learn tones of stuff and it inst all about Armageddon. www.abc.net.au/science/crude/

The first minute and a half makes it look like its a dinosaur doco but it isnt, just ffw that bit.

You will seriously learn a lot. For example, did you know oil is carbon that is millions of years of sunlight compressed into something that is so compact that a teaspoon of it could blast two tones of mass several kilometres.


Description

From the food on our tables to the fuel in our cars, crude oil seeps invisibly into almost every part of our modern lives. It is the energy source and raw material that drives transport and the economy. Yet many of us have little idea of the incredible journey it has made to reach our petrol tanks and plastic bags.

Coming in the wake of rising global concerns about the continued supply of oil, and increasingly weird weather patterns, Crude spans 160 million years of the Earth's history to reveal the story of oil; from its birth deep in the dinosaur-inhabited past, to its ascendancy as the indispensable ingredient of modern life.

Filmed on location in 11 countries across five continents, the program's award-winning Australian filmmaker Richard Smith consults the leading international scientific experts to join the dots between geology and economy and provide the big-picture view of oil.

Crude takes a step back from the day to day news to illuminate the Earth's extraordinary carbon cycle and the role of oil in our impending climate crisis. Nearly seven billion people have come to depend on this resource, yet the Oil Age that began less than a century and a half ago, could be over in our lifetimes.
paleothermal
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2 Aug 2007 9:28pm
This is indeed an interesting question. SO WHAT IS GOING ON WITH GLOBAL WARMING?

The first thing you need to do is be sure of your FACTS. When it comes to the question of global warming there are typical scare tactics being employed. (Politicians use it all the time to stay in power. Academics use it to get grants from the government. The media uses it to get paid sponsors.)

I have been in the geology business for 48 years and have recently left the Earth Science Department of a University. I believe I have a bit better grasp of the FACTS about global warming than the information being fed to us through the media.

The geological record shows unequivocally that there have been many, Global Warming - Glacial Ice cycles here on Earth spread over hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years. All indications are that we are in NORMAL mode here on Earth and moving into the global warming part of that cycle. If there were no cycles then it is quite likely that we would not be here. Our evolution as human beings has depended on the Earth undergoing these cyclical, evolutionary processes. And having said that, there is no doubt in anybodies mind that humans have had an impact on the weather. (New York city creates its own weather pattern.) The BIG question is HOW BIG HAS THAT IMPACT BEEN? All historical, geological indications are that the impact is not that big. What is BIG is the amount of money that can be made (politicians, academics, the media) by scaring people.

PS - How much money did Al Gore make from his "factual" documentary? My guess would be at least $100 million US. It was taken up all around the world. (Al Gore is not only a politician he is also part of the media. Need I say more?)


merman
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2 Aug 2007 11:36pm
thanks guys

i apreciate all the input..............

and i just wanna add my 2 cents

ive been working in the TV/Film industry for 14 years now and have to say.

where do we get most of our information about global warming?????

mostly its the media, TV, Radio, Newspapers, internet, government pfffft .

they are profit run organizations, fear greed and bull**** sells.....

all i,m saying is question, the media. yeah i,m sure were having an impact on the planet, BUT theres alot of hype out there.....

Fight the power, fellow kiting BrotherSS!!!!!



echostorm
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3 Aug 2007 12:04am
ABC isnt money driven. Has anyone watched that doco yet? Loads of geologists, scientists, statisticians ect.. say their piece. Even if u watch it for a bit of entertainment it really is good... here it is again www.abc.net.au/science/crude/
merman
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3 Aug 2007 12:15am
echostorm youre incorrigible!!!


hows that for a long word

gotta have a kite with ya sometime :)

BTW we pay for the ABC so yeah by my recconing its pay,d for

its a good series def worth watching!!
dustin
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3 Aug 2007 1:06am
Bit suss that paleothermal's first ever post is about saying global warming is not real haha or am i just paranoid.

have any of you seen an inconvienient truth? Its based on pure scientific research and its contradicted everything said on this topic so far. Whats happening now is no cycle, or at least thats what Algore's sayin. Well at least all you old blokes wont be here to witness anything and hopefully i wont either.
paleothermal
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2 Aug 2007 11:23pm
Hey Dustin,

Have a look at the addition at the bottom of my original comment about Global Warming.
dustin
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3 Aug 2007 1:39am
Al Gore doesn't get paid for his slideshows, its a non profit organization. He didnt get any information from the media, have you even seen an inconvient truth? He compares all media articles about global warming and all scientific reports regarding global wariming. 55 or something precent of media stated global warming was fake where 100% of the scientific reports said it was real, makes you think hmmmmmm

you kitin tommorow echo?
choicey
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3 Aug 2007 2:46am
Im confused , maybe this is a question for Pete , If port is red and left , why are the Greens on the left? or are they?
echostorm
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3 Aug 2007 8:20am
quote:
Originally posted by dustin



you kitin tommorow echo?




Yea mate, should you really ask that question if there is wind!?! Have I ever not skipped work when its blowing enough to kite!!! Geeze, and I thought u knew me!! Had an awesome session the last two days. I love these northerly winds, didnt even need a wettie yesterday! oh wait, global warming!! Actually as per the questionare on mermans post, global warming would make days colder and nights warmer due to humidity!!

Thinking of heading out 1pmish if ur up for it. If you cant make it that early we might be able to head around the point in a run from sunshine to mudjimba and we can meed u at Yba or something.
echostorm
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3 Aug 2007 8:26am
quote:
Originally posted by merman

echostorm youre incorrigible!!!


hows that for a long word

gotta have a kite with ya sometime :)

BTW we pay for the ABC so yeah by my recconing its pay,d for

its a good series def worth watching!!



HEHE My wife says that all the time
Mr float
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3 Aug 2007 8:30am
Al Gore does get paid and has investments in sustainable technologies .
Good on him! global warming or no global warming we all agree that burning carbon is dirty and not very good for us or the environment ,we are going to run out of fossil fuels one day so why not do something smart and embrace clean sustainable technology
Here's an interesting link that i found http://www.easternsnow.org/proceedings/2004/kincaid_and_klein.pdf


quote:
Originally posted by dustin

Al Gore doesn't get paid for his slideshows, its a non profit organization. He didnt get any information from the media, have you even seen an inconvient truth? He compares all media articles about global warming and all scientific reports regarding global wariming. 55 or something precent of media stated global warming was fake where 100% of the scientific reports said it was real, makes you think hmmmmmm

you kitin tommorow echo?


getfunky
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3 Aug 2007 12:27pm
Spot on Mr Float,

even if you don't believe in global warming (or any other term that is applied) burning oil is far too crucial to every aspect of our lives, so should be managed and used wisely, not grab everything we can today as cheap as we can and bugger the next generation.

We all now realise (belatedly) the same with water. Unfortunately it had to get to the "everything in the countryside is cactus and we can't produce food, animals or pretty much anything sustainable out in the sticks these days. Geez I might even have to give the lawn a bit less potable H2O as well!!" stage...

If the same scenary occurs with oil, you better grab your shotgun and head for the hills because the shinola will hit the fan, as the Crude doco, explained so well.

So fellow oil junkies the question is what are you going to do about your habit? How's the 4WD mileage looking now I wonder?

At very least check out the Crude doco, it is extremely eye opening even if you (like me) think you are aware of the brick wall we are heading for...

merman
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3 Aug 2007 4:07pm
another excelent Doco is

"Who killed the electric car?"

good insite into why were still buring oil in our cars, and who,s behind it.
meerkat
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3 Aug 2007 2:33pm
quote:
Originally posted by getfunky
burning oil is far too crucial to every aspect of our lives, so should be managed and used wisely


Thats because it's not in anybodies interest(i.e. the government and their best mates the motor and oil companies) to find other solution.

It's always: to hard, or not do-able, or going to affect the environment. Its bollocks. When there is only one resource for most things, then the big boys can control it and most everything else.

That will run out and be replaced by ONE other resource which will be guarded and fought over in the same way.

Global warming is a very real thing, unfortunately its the hot air produced by politicians, big brother contestants and paris hilton, that's causing the CO2 overload.

oh yeah, the sun might have something to do with it as well...

Another crap day at work, need a new job.
sir ROWDY
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3 Aug 2007 5:45pm
Them = illuminati, the people who control and run everything, they own the media, they own the oil, they own the drugs, they run the world.
It's hard to know what to belive and what not to belive, the difference between the truth and "the truth" on these sort of subjects is often a very blurry line, they distort the truth through the media in such a way that you cant even tell its happening, one way i think they do this is by changing your way of thinking through the broadcasting of smaller scale threats and disasters setting your brain into a certain way of thinking without you even realising, if you see things happing in the news all the time and they are hyping it to the max naturally you will think its a bigger threat than it really is i.e. "terrorism" need i say more.
Dudhit
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3 Aug 2007 9:58pm
aaaaah! Can't... resist... adding... my own opinions.

the worlds doing it's thing, but i'm sure humans have ruined some good ecosystems along the way.
the sooner we run out of oil the better, more fool everyone for becoming lazy and relying on something that is finite AND took years in the ground to be of use.

not too many people ever achive anything great by staying in their comfort zones, wont it be an exiting challenge to see how society adapts. or not. will see.

nothing worse than flying over this huge empty country and thinking how pretty it would look from google earth if filled with solar cells. who knows, there could be new ecologies developed underneath such structures.

there. i've said it. i can go back to my padded room now.
echostorm
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4 Aug 2007 6:25pm
quote:
Originally posted by taterchip

http://www.break.com/index/tough-to-argue.html

an interesting perspective on this topic.



THAT WAS GOLD!!! What an excellent, intelligent and entertaining argument. I got tingles watching that video.
Spacemonkey!
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4 Aug 2007 6:29pm
I went kiting today no wetsuit does that count?
merman
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4 Aug 2007 10:21pm
quote:
I went kiting today no wetsuit does that count?


Spacemonkey! thats the most accurate global warming statement ive heard to date!!!!
Kite This
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4 Aug 2007 8:22pm
I work as an environmental advisor and quite frankly I have to ask the question "Why was this even posted?". If the academics can't make their minds up on the issue then what does our 'rambling' contribute to the evolution of this discussion. Nothing.
Regardless of whether you believe in the phenomenon of global warming you can still act in an environmentally friendly matter which will not only lower your carbon footprint, but will also lower your energy consumption. By this you lower the amount of money which you spend on petrol, diesel, gas, electricity etc, which frees up money for you to spend on kitesurfing equipment!
If you are really interested in the global warming debate, the ABC had a show which discussed the merits of a movie which was recently produced called "The Great Global Warming Swindle". Try and get a copy of the whole show with the feedback from leading Aussie scientists, reporters and business men/women.

It doesnt take much to reduce your carbon footprint. Even if you dont believe in it, you'll still save money. What more incentive do you need??????
tobes
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4 Aug 2007 10:49pm
quote:
Originally posted by Kite This

If the academics can't make their minds up on the issue ...



I challenge you to find an "academic" from a revelant field, who's not in the pocket of an oil company etc., that disputes anthropogenic (man made) climate change.

Please, no one suggest that I watch the great global warming swindle or post any "reseach" by Fred Singer or the cool heads coalition...

And I suggest that anyone interested in the issue reads "the weather makers" by Tim Flannery.

Back on topic, how great is kitesurfing?
echostorm
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5 Aug 2007 12:03am
quote:
Originally posted by tobes

quote:
Originally posted by Kite This

If the academics can't make their minds up on the issue ...




Back on topic, how great is kitesurfing?



Actually the topic is Global Warming Sorry but if I can at least say my bit on these forums AND maybe change someones perspective to help protect this beautiful blue planet then I will. Although, you are very right... kitesurfing is great!
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