ATTENTION Mining Kiters - Please Help

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Ben De Jonge
Ben De Jonge
WA
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24 Jan 2008 11:14pm
Hey Guys,

I know plenty of Kiters on SeaBreeze are in the mining game and do FIFO.
If you do, and could answer these questions for me and post them back here, that'd be mint.

It's just a bit of fast research for a client of mine.
Much appreciated, and feel free to withhold your real names if you want. This is just about getting a few thoughts and opinions about bush accomodations from mine industry workers.

Thanks very much.

Ben

Please give your name (optional), sex, age, company and job description?


Describe how you feel generally about working remotely.


Who decides where you will stay when you are working in the bush?


Please describe your existing hotel/s and what is Good and Bad about it.


In a perfect world, what should your hotel be like?


What is THE MOST important thing about your working accommodation?


What would convince you and/or your company to try a new hotel?


If you saw advertising for a new hotel, what words/images would attract you to that hotel?


What words/images would put you off that hotel?


If you and/or your company were looking for better accommodation, what should the advertising focus on?


Have you heard of the Mia Mia Hotel in Newman, WA?
If so, what do you know about it?




shark
shark
WA
361 posts
WA, 361 posts
25 Jan 2008 1:37am
Have you been out in the bush yourself at all?
Just about any FIFO I know of is in a remote area camp, not where there is a choice of hotels to pick from? Towns where there are hotels usually offer housing to the long term workers.
The guys you are maybe thinking of are more contractors into town for a job of a few days/weeks?
Ben De Jonge
Ben De Jonge
WA
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25 Jan 2008 2:05am
Not to work on the mines Shark, no.

We'd still like to hear from the FIFO guys who live in camp.
Yes, contractors and senior consultants are definitely a big part of the target for this, no doubt about it.

At the end of the day though, this is about basic comforts and prorities while living in ****e holes for work, and as such, all remote workers have a relevant opinion and I'd like to hear what they have to say about it.

Cheers

B
forbsy
forbsy
VIC
49 posts
VIC, 49 posts
25 Jan 2008 7:17am
I know a kiter who works for the mining industry who's told me horror stories of being given very sub-standard lodgings where the sheets were covered in cum stains but then again, he's a bit of a tosser himself so I guess you could call it poetic justice.
sunseeker
sunseeker
QLD
1203 posts
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25 Jan 2008 9:16am
Everything is so packed out that you have to book 3 to 4 months in advance and you take what you can get - there is no choice and no real point of difference between accommodation. Either that or it's mine houses or camp which can vary greatly.
Saffer
Saffer
VIC
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25 Jan 2008 10:55am
sunseeker said...

Everything is so packed out that you have to book 3 to 4 months in advance and you take what you can get - there is no choice and no real point of difference between accommodation. Either that or it's mine houses or camp which can vary greatly.


Pretty much agree. We had pods (tiny little air-conned rooms about 2mx4m) or motels (slightly larger rooms with their own bathroom). It was a matter of luck as to what you got if you weren't a full time employee that hadn't been with the company for a while. That said, food was top notch (steaks, roasts etc) and beer was cheap.
kiterdan
kiterdan
WA
680 posts
WA, 680 posts
25 Jan 2008 9:12am
I'm working in Newman at the moment, staying at Karra Village. Dongas are pretty much standard nowadays...4 x 3, 4 rooms to a donga, each with their own ensuite, tv (with a few foxtel channels)....nothing to write home about though. Some of the newer camps have larger 6 x 4 rooms which are very comfortable...study desk, tiled ensuites, carpets etc.
The thing is if you don't provide decent lodging/conditions, people won't work for you.
To answer some your questions.
Working away is alright...depends on your roster and scope of work. I'm in the office so it's not so bad. You can plan ahead and even have a holiday every 2-3-4 weeks depending on the roster. Your company decides where you stay. Accommodation in Newman is expensive and very hard to come by. My mate is renting his house out to BHP for $1350 a week.
In terms of the hotels...generally only high-flyers (project managers, construction managers etc.) would stay there. Opening up a hotel in Newman would be good business as BHP would pay the rates for their staff to stay there.
If your client is the Mia Mia, tell them it's a nice place but because they charge an extra $20 for a buffet meal if you're an out-of-towner, I wouldn't eat or stay there.
Most of the guys that work out here aren't here to stay in a ritzy hotel...they're here to work to support their familes...or buy new kites and go on surfing trips.
Reptile
Reptile
WA
18 posts
WA, 18 posts
25 Jan 2008 9:46am
Ben,

I have worked in this industry for many years and part of my role involves arranging accomodation for the workers. Most of the time it's a matter of taking whatever is available which is usually not much. The key qualities for a workers hotel are as follows.
1. Good food and a well stocked bar.
2. Wireless broadband internet access.
3. A pool or some form of entertainment.
4. Secured parking as most guy's are driving vehicles with their tools and equipment on board.
5. Good in house movies and Foxtel to keep them entertained.
The majority of the mine sites have accomodation camps and the nearest hotel is a 100kms away. The people who use the hotels are usually contractors who are doing short term work in the area. If the mine is close to town then the companies will usually base the accomodation on price as they usually have 90% of the rooms at any given time. They also base the decision on the hotel that gives them preferance over other customers e.g. they can get a room anytime they ring up.

Hope this helps
white shark
white shark
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1 posts
25 Jan 2008 2:27pm
forbsy said...

I know a kiter who works for the mining industry who's told me horror stories of being given very sub-standard lodgings where the sheets were covered in cum stains but then again, he's a bit of a tosser himself so I guess you could call it poetic justice.

too funny dude.
what company does he works for?
maybe the person organising his acc. shd get the boot.

aido
aido
WA
50 posts
WA, 50 posts
25 Jan 2008 3:21pm
ive worked in the mining industry for the last 8 years its f$#ked most accomadation is adaquate but if had achoice u wouldnt stay there foods the biggest thing i would look at & the most ive been at u wouldnt feed half the crap to your dog so a well stocked bar is a must alot of liquid diets & ceirial i choose the smaller companies like byrnecut & barminco to work for . the bigger ones like BHP & hamersly iron suck to work for to many lasy f##kwits end up working for these companies beacause they know u can do as little as possible & get rewarded for it so if your a lasy **** go work for the bigger ones if youve got commencense & dont mind working go the smaller ones
Ben De Jonge
Ben De Jonge
WA
819 posts
WA, 819 posts
25 Jan 2008 8:52pm

Aido, Kiter Dan, Sunseeker and Saffer, Thanks very much for your help boys, like I said, all feedback is relevant. It sounds tough out there.

Forbsy, thanks for the laugh, sounds like a nice pad.

Cheers blokes, keep em coming if you can.

Happy Australia Day, hope it blows.

B
Ben De Jonge
Ben De Jonge
WA
819 posts
WA, 819 posts
25 Jan 2008 8:58pm
And thanks Reptile too!!

Sorry mate, your's were the best responses there, go to the top of the class.


Cheers

B
GreenPat
GreenPat
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4107 posts
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26 Jan 2008 12:32am
Please give your name (optional), sex, age, company and job description?
GreenPat, not enough, 28, a consulting firm, a mine planning consultant.

Describe how you feel generally about working remotely.
Generally, I enjoy it.


Who decides where you will stay when you are working in the bush?
The client, being the mining company.


Please describe your existing hotel/s and what is Good and Bad about it.
It's an on site camp, and the airconditioning is broke in the gym. That's bad because it's hot, but it's probably good because it's more of a conditioning workout. Gotta keep hydrated though!

In a perfect world, what should your hotel be like?
Marble tiles, scantily clad waitresses bringing me beers by the pool, humungous luxury rooms with sunken jacuzzis, yeah that's probably close anyway.

What is THE MOST important thing about your working accommodation?
I don't have to cook for myself.

What would convince you and/or your company to try a new hotel?
If there was more than one place to stay within a 200km radius.

If you saw advertising for a new hotel, what words/images would attract you to that hotel?
Marble tiles, scantily clad waitresses...

What words/images would put you off that hotel?
"Budget accommodation." No thanks, the mining company is getting the bill thank you very much.


If you and/or your company were looking for better accommodation, what should the advertising focus on?
Not spamming kiteboarding forums would be a start .

Have you heard of the Mia Mia Hotel in Newman, WA?
If so, what do you know about it?

Can't say that I have. I did see a sign with Mia Mia something on it a while back, or it might have been on a station. Is that a station? I went to a beach in Ghana called Miamia once, it was quite pleasant. Anyway, I know where Newman is, how's that?


Ben De Jonge
Ben De Jonge
WA
819 posts
WA, 819 posts
25 Jan 2008 11:34pm
Thanks alot GreenPat, appreciate it.

Have a good long weekend.

B
GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4107 posts
QLD, 4107 posts
26 Jan 2008 12:39am
aido said...

ive worked in the mining industry for the last 8 years its f$#ked most accomadation is adaquate but if had achoice u wouldnt stay there foods the biggest thing i would look at & the most ive been at u wouldnt feed half the crap to your dog so a well stocked bar is a must alot of liquid diets & ceirial i choose the smaller companies like byrnecut & barminco to work for . the bigger ones like BHP & hamersly iron suck to work for to many lasy f##kwits end up working for these companies beacause they know u can do as little as possible & get rewarded for it so if your a lasy **** go work for the bigger ones if youve got commencense & dont mind working go the smaller ones


Good to have your positive attitude on board, I expect you're an absolute pleasure to work with.
forbsy
forbsy
VIC
49 posts
VIC, 49 posts
26 Jan 2008 1:47am
GreenPat said...

Good to have your positive attitude on board, I expect you're an absolute pleasure to work with.

But isn't that just typical of the general attitude of your average person working in the mining industry ?
forbsy
forbsy
VIC
49 posts
VIC, 49 posts
26 Jan 2008 1:53am
white shark said...
too funny dude.
what company does he works for?
maybe the person organising his acc. shd get the boot.

Well dude, he used to call it ****gro which I think was a reflection of his disillusion to the entire industry.
But then again, it could just be his demeanour. He made whinging something of an art form.

Ben De Jonge
Ben De Jonge
WA
819 posts
WA, 819 posts
26 Jan 2008 3:46am
Just refreshing cos I'm a sucker for sarcasm.

Ben De Jonge
Ben De Jonge
WA
819 posts
WA, 819 posts
29 Jan 2008 10:19pm
Ok, 1 last refresh, if anyone else can help me out.

Go on, it's not like I'm asking for a rescue at off shore woodies or anything serious, just 2 minutes.

Cheers

B
forbsy
forbsy
VIC
49 posts
VIC, 49 posts
30 Jan 2008 8:39pm
Ben De Jonge said...

Ok, 1 last refresh, if anyone else can help me out.

Go on, it's not like I'm asking for a rescue at off shore woodies or anything serious, just 2 minutes.

Cheers

B

Would you be interested in getting opinions from non kiters who have been to Mia Mia in Newman ?
I could quite easily point you towards someone who is a kiter and does participate in this forum and works in the mining industry but you'd probably get a novel instead of concise answers to your questions.

Ben De Jonge
Ben De Jonge
WA
819 posts
WA, 819 posts
31 Jan 2008 1:04am
That's ok Forbsey, I've done my dash on this one mate.
shark
shark
WA
361 posts
WA, 361 posts
31 Jan 2008 2:08am

If you and/or your company were looking for better accommodation, what should the advertising focus on?
Not spamming kiteboarding forums would be a start .



halleluya

Ben De Jonge
Ben De Jonge
WA
819 posts
WA, 819 posts
31 Jan 2008 3:30am
Relax you two. If they want to answer, they can, if they don't fine.
I'm not trying to sell anything to anyone.

As I said already, hapy to let this slide away, so you won't see me refreshing the topic again, like you have just done.
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