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molly
molly
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26 Sep 2007 12:49am
G'day,
I'm super keen to get into kite surfing this summer. Have done a little windsurfing in the past and frequently surf, skate, snowboard, sail. But have never got around to Kitesurfing. I've just moved to the 90 mile beach in Victoria and also have easy access to Gippsland Lakes. I've put aside up to $1000 to get some gear to start out.
So what should I get? I'm after second hand gear.
I weigh 90-95kg and am 6'4 tall.
Do I need to get a few kites for different conditions straight away? Or is there a good all rounder to start out on?
Anyone know of good books / DVD's for beginners?
Do i really need to fork out big bucks for lessons?
Would appreciate any advice
Cheers.


Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
QLD
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QLD, 2057 posts
26 Sep 2007 8:02am
easy answer- GET LESSONS FIRST
echostorm
echostorm
QLD
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QLD, 1245 posts
26 Sep 2007 8:48am
quote:
Originally posted by molly


1. Do I need to get a few kites for different conditions straight away? 2. Is there a good all rounder to start out on?
3. Anyone know of good books / DVD's for beginners?
4. Do i really need to fork out big bucks for lessons?




1. If you can find a few kites for 1000 bucks you are really lucky. Your better off spending your money on 1 newish kite if you dont have a board or harness then you really aren't going to get much for that price. Second hand section here is good, however upgrading new gear rather then second hand gear works out the same price over the long term due to trade in value.

2. If you get lessons your instructor can listen to your style of riding and let you demo and learn on the appropriate kite. A North rebel, waroo best or a switchblade would be a good learning kite to advanced kite (this is highly debatable but almost all newish kites these days are good kites).

3. kiteboarding progression is one that i can think of if you can handle the same repetative looping music for 2+hrs http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kiteboarding-Progression-Beginner-Rob-Claisse/dp/B000CEXE1Q

4. Lessons are essential, do pilots or paragliders learn to fly without lessons? If you value your life and your gear GET LESSONS!!!
mrbonk
mrbonk
NSW
483 posts
NSW, 483 posts
26 Sep 2007 8:59am
quote:
Originally posted by molly

Do i really need to fork out big bucks for lessons?


Back in the good (or bad, depending on how you look at it) old days, you could get away with getting some help from your mates and going it alone. It's how I did it, and how virtually everyone else I know did it. You *could* still do it this way, if you had experienced mates to help you out, but it's just not worth it anymore.

The whole complexion of the sport has changed a great deal in recent times, regarding safety and access to places to ride (just look at what happened with the Noosa River Mouth). With the sport rapidly increasing in popularity and the very real threat of bans at many locations around the country, it's simply better for everyone concerned (including yourself) if you get lessons from an IKO accredited instructor. Your chances of success in the short term are greatly increased and the chances of you hurting yourself (or someone else) are greatly reduced.
MagicMike
MagicMike
WA
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26 Sep 2007 7:24am
hey molly
i started kitesurfing last year and love every minute of it. i agree with the other guys, you do need to get lessons. the instructors can place you on the right path regarding gear and riding locations. Before i bought myself my first kitesurfing kite i flew a small 3.5 power kite in all sorts on conditions tanging from 3kts-30kts, it greatly improves your learning curve if you have experience on smaller less powerful kites. Your experience with surfing/sk8boarding will also help you alot
enjoy, mick
colinwill78
colinwill78
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1395 posts
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26 Sep 2007 9:50am
lots of good advice here, of note:
-GET LESSONS. Learning this stuff by your self....just opening a can of worms. I spent $80 on 1 lesson. Just learning the correct set-up, self launching and recovery were priceless. My instructor can't fly a kite to save himself but the theory was valuable.
-The kites mentioned rebel waroo and switchblade are all good kites for beginners (but by no means limited to beginners. WHY? these kites are hybrid or bow kites. These types of kite have very good De-power, this will help especially when learning in gusty conditions.
-practice. Get a two string kite. doesn't matter if it's a $250 trainer or a $10 delta from cheap as chips. Learn to fly a kite first. practice driving it through the power window, looping it (enough to realise the power in the wind so that you won't be tempted to loop your big kite while your learning) and keeping it at the edge of the window witout looking at it. Work out how they work.

I got on the water for about $1000 14-15 months ago. It's doable, and i had no alternative. I got a brand new kite but it was a 2005 model for about $550. I got a 2nd hand board and a new harness with the rest and i was set.

whooops! sorry, shoulda stopped by now.... blah blah blah
Greenfinger
Greenfinger
WA
239 posts
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26 Sep 2007 11:55am
Don't go to Woodies off shore side.
harry potter
harry potter
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26 Sep 2007 3:03pm
Love the avatar pic greenfinger ( Me stuff I say )direct to the point and funny.

Molly : What most of the guys here have said is very very true lessons are important. But living down on the Gippsland lakes getting lessons may be a little difficult, I dont know of any shops or instructors down there. You may be able to find someone around Sandy point or Inverloch a bit of a drive I know but would be worthwhile.
Try to at least have one or two lessons just to cover the safety side of things. ( the kites are very very powerful and without proper safety you could easily be badly hurt or killed ). If you cannot get some professional lessons, research as much as you can and watch and ask questions of other kiters ( you will find almost everyone in this sport is very approachable and very helpful if you ask you will be suprised at just how much people will help. I was )

I would also recommend ( if you can) to stretch your budget to approx $1300 ( trust me, kiting is worth it ) and would suggest buying a decent harness ($200 - $240 ) as it will last several years and importantly it will be comfortable ie ( Mystic Warrior etc.. ) a reasonable board second hand for approx $400 - $500 at your weight and height i would recommend something around the 140cm to 150cm mark again this will last for a few years or untill you upgrade. It is a bit longer than usual but will really help you when you begin and when you are ready to upgrade to a smaller board you can use it as a light wind board.
Lastly a Kite, again for your height and weight i would suggest a 12 or 14m bow depending on your average wind strength down there. Most probably the 12m would be best. Something like a switchblade great for learning because of the depower but also a formidable weapon once you have advanced etc... If you search the second hand section you will find some around the $600- $800 mark. Dont be to fussed about the condition as long as it works and has the depower capabilities as they vastly help the learning curve.
I say "dont worry to much about the kite condition" because when you are learning it will get a flogging and there is nothing worse than seeing your brand new or reasonable expensive second hand kite being destroyed right before your eyes. Most kites 05 onwards have good depowering safety features which are a must when you are learning.

YOu will find that with your surfing sk8ingg background you will advance quite quickly I was in a similar situation and the board control seemed to come naturally and I just had to worry about the kite control.

Good Luck and remember if you are unsure, just ask.
Bryden
Bryden
VIC
32 posts
VIC, 32 posts
27 Sep 2007 10:30am
One other way to look at taking lessons. You may be willing to take your lumps and even stunt your learning curve by NOT taking lessons, but consider this.
If you're at a beach and flying a kite and run into trouble, then you're going to not only hurt yourself, but probably someone else, ruining everyone's day and potentially get kiting banned at the beach.
By not taking lessons and learning the basics (i.e. safety), you're being selfish and putting yourself before everyone else.
OK, done with my rant.
Braden
Braden
2 posts
2 posts
28 Sep 2007 2:39pm
Hey guys, im new to the kite world also. Like molly i snowbnoard, skate, wakeboard and windsurf a fair bit. Looking to get into kitesurfing. Got a mate who can hook me up with last years model boxter and thorn board. Im looking into getting lessons soon. got a few questions. Would this kite and board be good for me to learn on, coming from a boarding background i dont think riding is going to be the issue, it will be more kite control. Another thing, would anyone recommend someone i could do lessons through? Im in brissy so anywhere from redcliff down to goldie would be good.

Cheers Braden
SurfConnect
SurfConnect
QLD
1674 posts
QLD, 1674 posts
30 Sep 2007 9:32am
Molly, dont even think about gear till you have a lesson. Your instructor will be able to show you the different types of gear in the market and advice which suits you best accordance to your budget, teach you all the necessities including SAFETY procedures which is most important for kitesurfing. Make sure you go to a qualified instructor or school, ask for their name/iko instructor number so you can check their rating/license currency at the iko website (www.ikointl.com). At the end of the lesson, you will also get your iko card which is valid worldwide, and it not only enables you to rent gear at any iko centers, but also to buy insurance for only US$55 a year which is valid worldwide (1,000,000 Euros of personal liability).

Brendon, we do lessons in Brissy, and have great recommendations for Instructors/Schools up the Sunshine and down the Gold Coast way. Contact us via our website or PM me. We give you your money back from your first lesson if you end up buying gear from us, and once you completed your level 3 Iko card (normally takes 2-3 lessons), we give you free advice/tips whenever you kite where we teach. We use the latest 2008 kites in our school and Headzone communication helmets, provide all gear for the lesson including impact vests, wetties, even snacks and drinks at the end. We have a very high customer satisfaction rate!
Skax
Skax
1 posts
1 posts
7 Oct 2007 9:33pm
Found the thread I needed :D

So I'm another one looking at getting into this. Do you think lessons are enough to get going or are trainer kites a must?
cwamit
cwamit
WA
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WA, 1194 posts
7 Oct 2007 10:18pm
Not a must to use a trainer kite but helps with lesson in my humble opinion. Anyhow any school worth their salt wouldn’t be teaching on C kites from 3 to 4 years ago, so its not as important due to the lack of constant pull and wedgyness (and back then some schools made you stay unhooked till in the water which meant if your unco you would be dragged all over the place lol), but still useful to have some experience with using a trainer kite - might progress your lessons a little faster that’s the main advantage.. If your loaded .. go for it!
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
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7 Oct 2007 11:04pm
Spend <$200 to buy trainer kite, or borrow one to start learning today. Get some lessons and then I recon you will want more than a grand for kit. Save more money as you are a big boy needing a big board and a big kite....you will need robust gear.
Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
WA, 1991 posts
7 Oct 2007 11:19pm
A trainer kite is great. But a 2 line stunt kite is pretty good too. Plus you can get em for about 70bucks, and you still get the feel of the wind window.
SurfConnect
SurfConnect
QLD
1674 posts
QLD, 1674 posts
8 Oct 2007 8:45pm
Trainer kite is not a must, but its a great toy to keep in car to play in the park, or fly b4 the wind picks up too! I take mine everywhere


quote:
Originally posted by Skax

Found the thread I needed :D

So I'm another one looking at getting into this. Do you think lessons are enough to get going or are trainer kites a must?

DiXoN
DiXoN
QLD
3 posts
QLD, 3 posts
8 Oct 2007 10:58pm
I have been kiting for about 3 months, I had wanted to do it for a long time. I started wake boarding probly a year ago, in preperation for kiting as I figured they wer very similar... I purchased a kite then got a lesson, I spent probly about a month to 2 months just flying the kite and loving it mind you. It is still heaps of fun getting air on the the sand... I deffinitely wouldn't recomend starting with out someone showing you the way and safety, as it is dangerous, and the hints and tips are very valuable. I then Purchased a board once I was confident with flying and body dragging... Managed to get up on about the second session with the board, it does help to be patient and wait for the right conditions !! I now have a brand new slingshot rev and after 2 sessions have more confidence then ever, and wish I had of gone straight for the newbe kite as having an easy kite to fly makes everything else so easy !!! the new bow and hybrid style kites are the bomb !!

In saying that my advice would be to have few lessons to be sure your up for it... then a new kite or a newish kite will be well worth paying the extra money. You'll spend less time getting frustrated and more time having an absolute ball.

Cheers
mintaro
mintaro
VIC
32 posts
VIC, 32 posts
8 Oct 2007 11:16pm
quote:
Originally posted by padi


Brendon, we do lessons in Brissy, and have great recommendations for Instructors/Schools up the Sunshine and down the Gold Coast way. Contact us via our website or PM me. We give you your money back from your first lesson if you end up buying gear from us, and once you completed your level 3 Iko card (normally takes 2-3 lessons), we give you free advice/tips whenever you kite where we teach. We use the latest 2008 kites in our school and Headzone communication helmets, provide all gear for the lesson including impact vests, wetties, even snacks and drinks at the end. We have a very high customer satisfaction rate!




Great advice padi. Can you recommend anyone in Melbourne for lessons?
Thanks
SurfConnect
SurfConnect
QLD
1674 posts
QLD, 1674 posts
9 Oct 2007 1:57pm
Try Kitepower -
www.kitepower.com.au/



quote:
Originally posted by mintaro

quote:
Originally posted by padi


Brendon, we do lessons in Brissy, and have great recommendations for Instructors/Schools up the Sunshine and down the Gold Coast way. Contact us via our website or PM me. We give you your money back from your first lesson if you end up buying gear from us, and once you completed your level 3 Iko card (normally takes 2-3 lessons), we give you free advice/tips whenever you kite where we teach. We use the latest 2008 kites in our school and Headzone communication helmets, provide all gear for the lesson including impact vests, wetties, even snacks and drinks at the end. We have a very high customer satisfaction rate!




Great advice padi. Can you recommend anyone in Melbourne for lessons?
Thanks

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