Fellas need some advice.

Is there anyway to reduce the severity of landing when doing the above move.

Got the front roll, downloop, and if need be transitions down pat the the one mentioned above I'm trying to reduce the impact of landing. I know you will always be more powered up than the front roll down loop, but any tips of at least minimising the speed and impact for a downloop back roll? My older ankles are screaming. Landing 90 percent of them, but they are fast and hard.

When should initiate the loop, where have the kite, etc etc. cheers guys.

You can keep the kite higher, start the loop from 11 or 1.

My experience with loops is that it is all about on how fast you are travelling when you go into the loop. I.e. how much forward speed you have while travelling on the water before you initiate the trick. Do it slowly, and you get a pussy loop (my preference given my age and fear of broken ribs and enemas), do it fast and you get a powered loop with hard landings.

My introduction to down loops came by accident when I was learning to front roll and kept pulling on my front hand causing the kite to downloop, generally while I was flying backwards and upside down, a particularly painful way of doing them so I can vouch for the wrong way to do downloops from personal experience.

eppo said...
A little contradictory in that some say go higher some say go lower.

I think technically both are right in a way.

You can do a bankroll a foot off the water and land whilst your kite is still travelling in the same direction as you and you are not gunna stuff your ankles because you havent gone high enough to do any damage.

However if you do get a bit more height then you want to make sure you get enough to give the kite time to fully complete the loop and be coming back up, creating lift to slow down your descent, if you know what I mean.

Yo Eppo, here's one for ya.
When riding in preffered direction for backroll, have kite at 10:30/10:45, power up, realease front hand, edge real hard (upwindish), throw body into aggresive back roll with pop, after 180 degrees, mongrel bar towards ya (remember your only using one hand), kite will whip you up, as it is doing it's loop and throw you into a second spin, so becomes a double back with only one twist in your lines.
When done correctly, it is the most incredible feeling, if you try to back out half way thru, your gonna eat caca.
Have fun. Veebs
Disclaimer:, learning this may not be good for your ankles

eppo said...

...minimising the speed and impact for a downloop back roll?

Eppo, some of the confusion might be coming from your initial post mate...
I think you mean backloop backroll but you might have inadverdently written 'downloop' on one occassion which has, er, thrown us all into a spin.

Oh dear. Red thumb that pun please... but the rest was just trying to help out.

I go for the underhand reach across to the opposite end ('back' end) of the bar to give the kite that pivot spin... kind of hooked in fish pole type of thing. it can work so effectively that you pivot on the tail of your board and barely leave the water... no knee shocks. the trick is then easing off the initial pulling so that you actually get at least some height. Adjust until you reach your preferred loop radius and corresponding altitude/landing shock factor. then... unhook before you do it (heaps more fun!!!)

VB MAN said...
Yo Eppo, here's one for ya.
When riding in preffered direction for backroll, have kite at 10:30/10:45, power up, realease front hand, edge real hard (upwindish), throw body into aggresive back roll with pop, after 180 degrees, mongrel bar towards ya (remember your only using one hand), kite will whip you up, as it is doing it's loop and throw you into a second spin, so becomes a double back with only one twist in your lines.
When done correctly, it is the most incredible feeling, if you try to back out half way thru, your gonna eat caca.
Have fun. Veebs
Disclaimer:, learning this may not be good for your ankles

Yeh VB man did

that unintentionally the other day, I was like wtf, had to go through what happened to get my head straight. Not sure if it is something I want to prac putting in my bag of tricks until I nail the last 10 percent of my backroll back loops. Cheers will try this in a couple of weeks.

craggers said...

eppo said...

...minimising the speed and impact for a downloop back roll?

Eppo, some of the confusion might be coming from your initial post mate...
I think you mean backloop backroll but you might have inadverdently written 'downloop' on one occassion which has, er, thrown us all into a spin.

Oh dear. Red thumb that pun please... but the rest was just trying to help out.

I go for the underhand reach across to the opposite end ('back' end) of the bar to give the kite that pivot spin... kind of hooked in fish pole type of thing. it can work so effectively that you pivot on the tail of your board and barely leave the water... no knee shocks. the trick is then easing off the initial pulling so that you actually get at least some height. Adjust until you reach your preferred loop radius and corresponding altitude/landing shock factor. then... unhook before you do it (heaps more fun!!!)

Hey man that reach across thing is a bloody bloody good idea. I can already see it will improve both types of loops. Cheers man.

The day I saw you I was on a 8m vapor x when you were on a 10m Varial x and I'm over a 100kegs

I find throwing the kite loop when your about halfway through your rotation gives you a bit more time to spot your landing, try to get some air off a kicker as well that'll put more power in your loop and bring your rotation round faster.

pezza said...
The day I saw you I was on a 8m vapor x when you were on a 10m Varial x and I'm over a 100kegs

Ah yes karratha lad right. You were on a SB though. Nice waves out there on one day. I was on a shinn monk you can hold a bloody big edge on that thing. I didn't feel overpowered just in the kites trigger happy zone.

eppo said...

Red thumbers can go and suck my big hairy balls, you inexperienced know it all kooks.

Was having a stressfull morning (CA exam study) untill I read this.

Thanks for being upset so easy Eppo. You put a smile on my face with every outburst.

eppo said...

My older ankles are screaming. Landing 90 percent of them, but they are fast and hard.

eppo, if your ankles need support get yourself some well fitting, stiff boots, and a board with some descent rocker. Your age is no excuse for not going fast and hard

eppo, when you next go to sandy bay, look out for a frail looking white haired old man, he was dropped off there every day last week by his wife, she looks even more frail and cant seem to be able to walk without a stick. They look about 80 years old. I didnt talk to him or know who he was but watch him kite, and he is out there doing kiteloops too.
If watching him deosnt give you the inspiration to go hard and fast then nothing will.
But seriously boots and rocker help. I cant land fast without boots now. Actually I cant even kite without them now.

Hey Eppo

When it comes to ankle or knee pressure - it starts from your heels and impacts its way up.... Loop boost roll chop whatever - take a 'serious' look at your footpads if thats your prefered option.

For the normal kiter, the ones that come with the 'Whatever' brand board will be fine.

However, as youre just starting to find out - add some height or a Loopey thingy with bad timed Meteorite Re-entry speed and the whole dynamics to 'Landing Joint Impact' changes considerably....

After trying lots of brands and though some hold very well in big wipeouts - its the Pads (not straps) that still arnt up to sctratch when **landing Hard**

At Hold the line kites - i saw a new wooden twintip board that had a very well designed cushioning/impact pad.

I found the same base pad on another website and Very Cheap - so bought a set and they are the very best ive tried when it comes to Landings and wipeouts.... some of the guys who ride boots have been very suprised that I dont lose my board...
From the boots point of sure they wont come off - but to date they still dont have the cushioning system (yes Ive done my Homework) to match the impact load my base pads have...

As soon as you drop out of the sky in them youll understand the difference, if you want to demo or find out where I got mine - send me a Pm

Yeh good advice about the cushioning although that not the problem accept on the cardboard wave. So pics would be good. On the shinn the foot straps have member foam and are comfortable as.


Anyhow a big thanks to you guys for all your advice. Went out today and I can safely say I can nail every back roll, back loop. With your advice I also had the privilege and watching a dude on a wainman smoke land every one, so just spent the next 30 minutes watching closely.

He uses very little height and continues with a smooth continual movement of the kite near 12 then hard loop. So in the end got it Sussed awesome.

Tried the underhand grab the bar thing for other down and back loops, farq me the kite loops quick but I kept getting my right and left farqed up, kept dropping it in the drink!! Any advice big fella on that. Also the pulled the bar to the chest that works well.

I can see the kite I use has to stay moving at all times as it is not a plug and play. Been talking to guy in the uk who been at this longer than anyone I know and he explained gotta get ya timing right with this kite.

So all good. The dude I was watching was apparently watching me doing my forward roll, downloop transitions, so that was funny. I reckon they are easier myself. Anyhow got some advice from him on the old dark slide mentioned ages ago. So gave that a crack. Pulled off only one though( sort of), but then he told me only the tail of the board needs contact with the water, I was trying to ride the entire rail! Anyhow that's for next time.

And VBs move as well. Love this sport. Alway something to try.